Which bit undermines an otherwise good film...

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  • Posts: 19,339
    It doesnt do it for me i'm afraid.Even Dalton doesnt look relaxed at all,throughout the film compared to how he is in LTK,which is a MUCH better film imo.
  • edited February 2014 Posts: 11,189
    chrisisall wrote:
    He WAS better as Wade...

    IN Goldeneye, he was indeed!

    I too found JDB more convincing in GE. He just seemed to fit that sort of character better. Somewhat flamboyant and larger than life, but with a good heart. With those shades and that shirt though he looks a bit like he should be on Neighbours.
  • I love Koskov and despise Whitaker. I think the character has potential but the final showdown is a bit underwhelming - not bad, but underwhelming - and Baker is AWFUL as an actor.

    I thought that Baker was perfect as the crass, boorish American arms dealer.
    I too dislike both Koskov (over the top acting in some scenes) and Whitaker (forgettable). And I believe the plot in TLD becomes convulated.

    What Bond
    barryt007 wrote:
    It doesnt do it for me i'm afraid.Even Dalton doesnt look relaxed at all,throughout the film compared to how he is in LTK,which is a MUCH better film imo.

    For the longest time I always preferred LTK over TLD, but I just recently rewatched TLD and was surprised by how much I enjoyed that film.
  • chrisisall wrote:
    The villains in TLD detract from its status for me
    Not for me, I like them a lot. The only thing that detracts from my enjoyment of TLD is showing the Afghan rebels in a good light. They should have been presented as the borderline thugs they were. But then, it's just a movie, and Bond is the main focus.
    It's still my #1 Bond flick.

    Its seems to be a bit of a hobby horse for me to mention that a couple of characters namely Whitaker &Pushkin had little script to work with. But I still find the film nicely paced and these two characters scenes justified.

    Its still a shame that some of the original script ideas never made it into final cut, i.e. Sgt Stagg being given more to do & actually being the one who kidnapps Kara back to Whitaker, The harrier idea could still have worked a treat and shortened the Afghan finale by a good few minutes.

    You can read all about it in Making Of The Living Daylights book.

  • chrisisall wrote:
    I actually really liked Koskov and Whitaker. They weren't over-the-top or super-villains, they were believable and realistic. I also like how he don't find out that Koskov is a villain until later on in the film. Necros was also one of the best henchman in any Bond film.
    You're just telling me what I want to hear.
    :))

    And me for that matter.

  • Posts: 2,341
    Forgive me but some of you guys are such boyscouts re the womaninzing in OHMSS. It never bothered me, I mean some of you telling us that you never cheat on your girlfreinds? Wives are another thing entirely but we've had girlfriends over the years and most of us probably have done some little "tipping out".

    I am most put out by the invicibility of Craig's Bond. The airport scene in CR, most of QOS and the PTS of SF where Patrice shoots him. Er..right.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
    Posts: 16,351
    Monty Norman's awful score over the Excellent Doctor No.
  • Posts: 11,189
    Despite a few funny lines Diamond's are Forever is the dullest Bond film.
  • Jane Seymour's Solitaire is the stupidest Bond girl.
  • Posts: 11,189
    Jane Seymour's Solitaire is the stupidest Bond girl.

    That's Mary Goodnight. No question.
  • edited February 2014 Posts: 2,341
    BAIN123 wrote:
    Jane Seymour's Solitaire is the stupidest Bond girl.

    That's Mary Goodnight. No question.

    I thought Kara Milovy was pretty naive and maybe a little stupid to be so duped by Koskov and Whitaker.

    I actually liked Goodnight and Solitaire....
  • edited February 2014 Posts: 381
    BAIN123 wrote:
    Jane Seymour's Solitaire is the stupidest Bond girl.

    That's Mary Goodnight. No question.

    Bond convinces her to have sex with him with a deck of cards! And she seems to have no loyalty to Bond either. The moment Bond is captured she goes back to Dr. Kananga. She had the mind of a child.

  • Posts: 1,817
    Murdock wrote:
    Monty Norman's awful score over the Excellent Doctor No.

    Absolutely. But the strangest thing is that the album has some good songs they didn't include in the movie, for example Dr. No's Fantasy (which they have used extensively in documentaries).
    OHMSS69 wrote:
    BAIN123 wrote:
    Jane Seymour's Solitaire is the stupidest Bond girl.

    That's Mary Goodnight. No question.

    I thought Kara Milovy was pretty naive and maybe a little stupid to be so duped by Koskov and Whitaker.

    A while other Bonds seem to tolerate their stupid gals, Dalton many times loses his patience with Kara, as when she doesn't understand that she has to enter from the back door of the plane, and the classic "we are in a Russian airbase in the middle of Afghanistan".
  • Posts: 11,189
    Goodnight is the only one who almost gets Bond killed with her arse-cheeks.
  • Posts: 15,124
    BAIN123 wrote:
    Jane Seymour's Solitaire is the stupidest Bond girl.

    That's Mary Goodnight. No question.

    Bond convinces her to have sex with him with a deck of cards! And she seems to have no loyalty to Bond either. The moment Bond is captured she goes back to Dr. Kananga. She had the mind of a child.

    That's being naive and badly educated, not stupid.
  • Posts: 2,341
    That stupid audio track in the PTS of AVTAK. "California Girls" such BS

    Though not a fan of MR I did enjoy the PTS (IMO the highpoint of this crap fest) but it was ruined by the stupid end. Jaws flapping his arms like a funky chicken and landing on and crushing a circus tent. Want my advice: anyone watching MR can stop the DVD after the credits roll and go to the next film.
  • edited February 2014 Posts: 316
    BAIN123 wrote:
    Goodnight is the only one who almost gets Bond killed with her arse-cheeks.

    nope, Tiffany Case also did when she "seemed to be showing a bit more cheek than usual!"
  • Posts: 11,189
    BAIN123 wrote:
    Goodnight is the only one who almost gets Bond killed with her arse-cheeks.

    nope, Tiffany Case also did when she "seemed to be showing a bit more cheek than usual!"

    Not directly though.
  • NicNacNicNac Administrator, Moderator
    Posts: 7,582
    OHMSS69 wrote:
    BAIN123 wrote:
    Jane Seymour's Solitaire is the stupidest Bond girl.

    That's Mary Goodnight. No question.

    I thought Kara Milovy was pretty naive and maybe a little stupid to be so duped by Koskov and Whitaker.

    I actually liked Goodnight and Solitaire....
    I always thought Kara was convincing as a poor duped girl. It seemed believable that she would be taken by Koskov's smooth talking.

    However, Agent bloody XXX in SPY. Was she really the best that Mother Russia had to offer?

    I always howl when she bumps in to Bond and spins round with her karate chop pose, looking like she couldn't karate chop a blancmange.
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
    Posts: 13,355
    She's a good pick for this topic @NicNac. Without doubt she undermines that film. Poor casting, bad acting and just not convincing at all in that role. A good precursor to Jinx, to me.
  • NicNac wrote:
    OHMSS69 wrote:
    BAIN123 wrote:
    Jane Seymour's Solitaire is the stupidest Bond girl.

    That's Mary Goodnight. No question.

    I thought Kara Milovy was pretty naive and maybe a little stupid to be so duped by Koskov and Whitaker.

    I actually liked Goodnight and Solitaire....
    I always thought Kara was convincing as a poor duped girl. It seemed believable that she would be taken by Koskov's smooth talking.

    However, Agent bloody XXX in SPY. Was she really the best that Mother Russia had to offer?

    I always howl when she bumps in to Bond and spins round with her karate chop pose, looking like she couldn't karate chop a blancmange.

    Heh! Too true.

  • NicNac wrote:
    OHMSS69 wrote:
    BAIN123 wrote:
    Jane Seymour's Solitaire is the stupidest Bond girl.

    That's Mary Goodnight. No question.

    I thought Kara Milovy was pretty naive and maybe a little stupid to be so duped by Koskov and Whitaker.

    I actually liked Goodnight and Solitaire....
    I always thought Kara was convincing as a poor duped girl. It seemed believable that she would be taken by Koskov's smooth talking.

    However, Agent bloody XXX in SPY. Was she really the best that Mother Russia had to offer?

    I always howl when she bumps in to Bond and spins round with her karate chop pose, looking like she couldn't karate chop a blancmange.

    Heh! Too true.

    The real question is: "Was she really the best that Mother Russia had to offer?" No wonder the Eastern bloc fell so fast...
  • M_BaljeM_Balje Amsterdam, Netherlands
    edited December 2016 Posts: 4,520
    CR:

    Plot. Another famale trater. Also she died at the end, only difrence is that for Bond she not died yet and i think Bond 25 should finaly making a end of that with more flashbacks and the new setup in Spectre with the Vesper Video should a start.

    Dryden (Will complete delete it and start with Madagascar)
    The (24) violence (Airport scene).
    I not like Vesper chacter developtment and i prefer another actres.
    Delete scene from the sea not be in the movie.
    Conclussion

    QOS:
    106 minutes is to short. Not enough footage of pre-title scene after car chase.
    Partly not big fan of Airplane scene.

    SF:
    Plot. M is the Bondgirl. She was in Twine already a bit more, but in SF the hints of her death, she finaly telling some truth and Skyfalll are great. Cold and Boring sometimes.
    The Metro scene and some other parts of Silva his escape.
    The card/Politic part (CNN)
    Rolling stairs scene in Shangai delete.
    Cinematopgraphy of China outside of the Casino
    Shanghai Purple Bridge and Batman Music/Elevator music.
    Eve is Moneypenny
    Rushed to get tradional things back.
    Death of M did nothing. I already know in 2008 that she going to die, but i think it can be more dramatic.

    Spectre:

    Things turn upside down (changing there minds about things..) and stil giving hope from other side. Train scene is in Marrocco desert with villian lair. Confused because a train set up at the end of QOS was in Mexico desert. Are we stil get another train scene and another villian lair simalar as one in Marrocco ?. Not realy understand why there did more with the lair. It only be a bit more then hotel of (there we go again) QOS. What about that rock and weird car.

    Title of the movie and secret. Created expections there don't make true enough.
    Mexico in final movie turn out to be much difrence then in trailer (Like Casino Royale alsoturn out much difrent then final movie), another thing together with ''Writing On The Wall'' who created expections. My expections be that Bond turn rogue, go after Quantum on his own (finaly). Will it have a connection with the Airport scene of Casino Royale. Denbirgh was biggest mysterie, turn out in another not intresting/boring trater.

    Two other trailer mistakes: Big Spoiler of Mr White and Madeline (You protect somebody ?) Showing Christopher Waltz.

    Barrel is rushed to at at start again and Q scene with the watch is rushed also. (See my comment with Skyfall about rushed to get things back.)
    Thomas Newman re-using music of Skyfall pre-title for pre-title of Spectre.
    Madeline introduction is to long/screentime of the movie.
    Moneypenny Boyfriend and she act like M (Is she taken over a storyline there whant making with M her husband there making a end about in Skyfall and also she visit Bond like M did before..)
    Blofeld and turn out he is Bond stephbrother. (Oberhauser turn out Bond steph brother is already something i not realy like. Also return of Blofeld is something i dislike.)
    Stepbrother thing used as excuse to let him a life.
    Arrow/TDK reference (I like the unexpect Car Crash but then movie turn in to much like Arrow/TDK dark style movie and from that part i onlike like end of Mi6 bulding.)
    Three times hint this is end the movie and final end bring back the Astin DB5. Only thing i like about it that Daniel Craig Bond finaly get his Bond get the girl scene. Finaly like all those other girls. Bye Bye Bondgirl. Also with mind what happend with Dench M in Skyfall. Stil i am also a bit afraid it mabey not be end yet and that not only count for Madeline, but also will keep in mind a possible return of Sam Mendes and Thomas Newman.
  • 00Agent00Agent Any man who drinks Dom Perignon '52 can't be all bad.
    Posts: 5,185
    The scene in Octopussy when Bond arrives in India and Vijay plays him the Bond theme is one of the dumbest scenes in the enitre franchise to me, up there with the bird whistle and the tarzan yell. i am suprised i never see anybody talk about it on this Forum. It takes me out of the movie every damn time since it's so illogical. And when Bond says "it's a charming tune" that makes it even worse.
  • TLD. Jail Fight.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    Posts: 17,801
    00Agent wrote: »
    The scene in Octopussy when Bond arrives in India and Vijay plays him the Bond theme is one of the dumbest scenes in the enitre franchise to me, up there with the bird whistle and the tarzan yell. i am suprised i never see anybody talk about it on this Forum. It takes me out of the movie every damn time since it's so illogical. And when Bond says "it's a charming tune" that makes it even worse.
    Silly 80's nonsense is all.

  • Posts: 11,189
    "What's a gyna...genealogist...?"

    I don't know why but that line annoys me. Crude and not very funny. Carry On territory.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489
    To add SPECTRE here:

    The Oberhauser nonsense, and the absolutely lame London finale.

    Throw in Rory Kinnear and Sam Smith as well.

    Other than those I am happy.
  • DB5DB5
    Posts: 408
    Bond avenging the death of Tracy was hinted at, at the start of DAF, but it wasn't really addressed. I think that EON just wanted to pretend that OHMSS had never happened and they were just picking up where they left off with YOLT.

    Another thing that doesn't make sense is that Blofeld and Bond don't recognize each other in OHMSS, despite the fact that they had just met in YOLT (both characters were played by different actors, of course).

    Someone on this site (I can't remember who) suggested that people view the two films YOLT and OHMSS as alternate sequels to TB, and view DAF only as the sequel to YOLT.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489
    DB5 wrote: »
    Bond avenging the death of Tracy was hinted at, at the start of DAF, but it wasn't really addressed. I think that EON just wanted to pretend that OHMSS had never happened and they were just picking up where they left off with YOLT.

    Another thing that doesn't make sense is that Blofeld and Bond don't recognize each other in OHMSS, despite the fact that they had just met in YOLT (both characters were played by different actors, of course).

    Someone on this site (I can't remember who) suggested that people view the two films YOLT and OHMSS as alternate sequels to TB, and view DAF only as the sequel to YOLT.

    That was Murdock and me.
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