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  • Mathis1Mathis1
    Posts: 7,624
    Cant stand any of Brossas efforts but if i had to rank them then TWINE would be first only because of Sophie Marceau, and though his part was underwritten i still like Robert Carlyles Renard, about the only tolerable villain Brossas Bond has encountered! The underground firefight where Bond first encounters Renard is well handled too (apart from Brossas "acting"!)
  • The_DonaldThe_Donald
    Posts: 170
    Mathis1 wrote: »
    Cant stand any of Brossas efforts but if i had to rank them then TWINE would be first only because of Sophie Marceau, and though his part was underwritten i still like Robert Carlyles Renard, about the only tolerable villain Brossas Bond has encountered! The underground firefight where Bond first encounters Renard is well handled too (apart from Brossas "acting"!)

    I thought that 'action' scene like nearly all the others in TWINE was woeful. It's clear Apted didn't have a clue about how to make thrilling action scenes. The last time I saw the ski chase I was embarrassed at how by the numbers & pedestrian it was. As for the acting in the underground scene, as you mention, amateur of Brosnan. Terrible overacting
  • Mathis1Mathis1
    Posts: 7,624
    Agree the ski sequence was appalling. I bet John Glen would have been tut tutting if he had watched it!
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    The_Donald wrote: »
    Mathis1 wrote: »
    Cant stand any of Brossas efforts but if i had to rank them then TWINE would be first only because of Sophie Marceau, and though his part was underwritten i still like Robert Carlyles Renard, about the only tolerable villain Brossas Bond has encountered! The underground firefight where Bond first encounters Renard is well handled too (apart from Brossas "acting"!)

    I thought that 'action' scene like nearly all the others in TWINE was woeful. It's clear Apted didn't have a clue about how to make thrilling action scenes. The last time I saw the ski chase I was embarrassed at how by the numbers & pedestrian it was. As for the acting in the underground scene, as you mention, amateur of Brosnan. Terrible overacting
    I couldn't have said it better myself. Bloody awful, and capped by the notorious "huh?!". Shortly thereafter things get even worse with the teenage lover's spat outrage at Baku. What were they thinking here?
  • The_DonaldThe_Donald
    edited August 2017 Posts: 170
    bondjames wrote: »
    The_Donald wrote: »
    Mathis1 wrote: »
    Cant stand any of Brossas efforts but if i had to rank them then TWINE would be first only because of Sophie Marceau, and though his part was underwritten i still like Robert Carlyles Renard, about the only tolerable villain Brossas Bond has encountered! The underground firefight where Bond first encounters Renard is well handled too (apart from Brossas "acting"!)

    I thought that 'action' scene like nearly all the others in TWINE was woeful. It's clear Apted didn't have a clue about how to make thrilling action scenes. The last time I saw the ski chase I was embarrassed at how by the numbers & pedestrian it was. As for the acting in the underground scene, as you mention, amateur of Brosnan. Terrible overacting
    I couldn't have said it better myself. Bloody awful, and capped by the notorious "huh?!".

    They should have added a light bulb above his head.

    The next scene you mention is really odd, not just for Brozza's rather camp delivery of his admittedly terrible lines, but also because it suggests that him and Electra have some sort of deep relationship and he is badly wounded by her 'betrayal', when nothing preceding this scene suggests anything more than his usual attachment to a 'Bond girl'. And no, stroking that screen doesn't count. And then he sends Elecktra to her room like an admonishing father. Nothing about that scene works, as you say.

  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    Posts: 23,883
    The_Donald wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    The_Donald wrote: »
    Mathis1 wrote: »
    Cant stand any of Brossas efforts but if i had to rank them then TWINE would be first only because of Sophie Marceau, and though his part was underwritten i still like Robert Carlyles Renard, about the only tolerable villain Brossas Bond has encountered! The underground firefight where Bond first encounters Renard is well handled too (apart from Brossas "acting"!)

    I thought that 'action' scene like nearly all the others in TWINE was woeful. It's clear Apted didn't have a clue about how to make thrilling action scenes. The last time I saw the ski chase I was embarrassed at how by the numbers & pedestrian it was. As for the acting in the underground scene, as you mention, amateur of Brosnan. Terrible overacting
    I couldn't have said it better myself. Bloody awful, and capped by the notorious "huh?!".

    They should have added a light bulb above his head, just to be sure we got the point.

    The next scene you mention is really odd, not just for Brozza's rather camp delivery of his admittedly terrible lines, but also because it suggests that him and Electra have some sort of deep relationship and he is badly wounded by her 'betrayal', when nothing preceding this scene suggests anything more than his usual attachment to a 'Bond girl'. And no, stroking that screen doesn't count. And then he sends Elecktra to her room like an admonishing father. Nothing about that scene works, as you say.
    Indeed. Terribly pathetic imho. Soap opera hour unworthy of Bond. The screen touch was painful to endure (I literally cringed in the theatre).
  • PrinceKamalKhanPrinceKamalKhan Monsoon Palace, Udaipur
    Posts: 3,262
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    New monthly re-ranking:
    1. GOLDFINGER
    2. DR. NO
    3. FROM RUSSIA WITH LOVE
    4. THE SPY WHO LOVED ME
    5. THUNDERBALL
    6. ON HER MAJESTY'S SECRET SERVICE
    7. THE LIVING DAYLIGHTS
    8. OCTOPUSSY/NEVER SAY NEVER AGAIN

    A great top 008 except for NSNA IMHO.

    bondjames wrote: »
    The_Donald wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    The_Donald wrote: »
    Mathis1 wrote: »
    Cant stand any of Brossas efforts but if i had to rank them then TWINE would be first only because of Sophie Marceau, and though his part was underwritten i still like Robert Carlyles Renard, about the only tolerable villain Brossas Bond has encountered! The underground firefight where Bond first encounters Renard is well handled too (apart from Brossas "acting"!)

    I thought that 'action' scene like nearly all the others in TWINE was woeful. It's clear Apted didn't have a clue about how to make thrilling action scenes. The last time I saw the ski chase I was embarrassed at how by the numbers & pedestrian it was. As for the acting in the underground scene, as you mention, amateur of Brosnan. Terrible overacting
    I couldn't have said it better myself. Bloody awful, and capped by the notorious "huh?!".

    They should have added a light bulb above his head, just to be sure we got the point.

    The next scene you mention is really odd, not just for Brozza's rather camp delivery of his admittedly terrible lines, but also because it suggests that him and Electra have some sort of deep relationship and he is badly wounded by her 'betrayal', when nothing preceding this scene suggests anything more than his usual attachment to a 'Bond girl'. And no, stroking that screen doesn't count. And then he sends Elecktra to her room like an admonishing father. Nothing about that scene works, as you say.
    Indeed. Terribly pathetic imho. Soap opera hour unworthy of Bond. The screen touch was painful to endure (I literally cringed in the theatre).

    Indeed. I've read that TWINE's premise was meant to be Brosnan's OHMSS. He thinks he's found Tracy when in fact he's found Blofeld. The problem is that cinema history's number one ladykiller gets awfully sentimental and attached to a girl he's only known maybe about a day? He didn't fall for Tracy until after he knew her for 3 months. It might've been more effective if Elektra had been some woman out of Bond's past but coming directly after GE and TND that might've made her character seem like the love child of Alec Trevelyan 006 and Paris Carver. And they're definitely should've been no 2nd girl(Christmas Jones) waiting in the wings to give TWINE the standard Bond film happy ending. In retrospect I have this feeling that if EON had made CR seven years earlier, the result would've looked a lot like TWINE(cringe).

  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited August 2017 Posts: 23,883
    PrinceKamalKhan wrote: »
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    New monthly re-ranking:
    1. GOLDFINGER
    2. DR. NO
    3. FROM RUSSIA WITH LOVE
    4. THE SPY WHO LOVED ME
    5. THUNDERBALL
    6. ON HER MAJESTY'S SECRET SERVICE
    7. THE LIVING DAYLIGHTS
    8. OCTOPUSSY/NEVER SAY NEVER AGAIN

    A great top 008 except for NSNA IMHO.

    bondjames wrote: »
    The_Donald wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    The_Donald wrote: »
    Mathis1 wrote: »
    Cant stand any of Brossas efforts but if i had to rank them then TWINE would be first only because of Sophie Marceau, and though his part was underwritten i still like Robert Carlyles Renard, about the only tolerable villain Brossas Bond has encountered! The underground firefight where Bond first encounters Renard is well handled too (apart from Brossas "acting"!)

    I thought that 'action' scene like nearly all the others in TWINE was woeful. It's clear Apted didn't have a clue about how to make thrilling action scenes. The last time I saw the ski chase I was embarrassed at how by the numbers & pedestrian it was. As for the acting in the underground scene, as you mention, amateur of Brosnan. Terrible overacting
    I couldn't have said it better myself. Bloody awful, and capped by the notorious "huh?!".

    They should have added a light bulb above his head, just to be sure we got the point.

    The next scene you mention is really odd, not just for Brozza's rather camp delivery of his admittedly terrible lines, but also because it suggests that him and Electra have some sort of deep relationship and he is badly wounded by her 'betrayal', when nothing preceding this scene suggests anything more than his usual attachment to a 'Bond girl'. And no, stroking that screen doesn't count. And then he sends Elecktra to her room like an admonishing father. Nothing about that scene works, as you say.
    Indeed. Terribly pathetic imho. Soap opera hour unworthy of Bond. The screen touch was painful to endure (I literally cringed in the theatre).

    Indeed. I've read that TWINE's premise was meant to be Brosnan's OHMSS. He thinks he's found Tracy when in fact he's found Blofeld. The problem is that cinema history's number one ladykiller gets awfully sentimental and attached to a girl he's only known maybe about a day? He didn't fall for Tracy until after he knew her for 3 months. It might've been more effective if Elektra had been some woman out of Bond's past but coming directly after GE and TND that might've made her character seem like the love child of Alec Trevelyan 006 and Paris Carver. And they're definitely should've been no 2nd girl(Christmas Jones) waiting in the wings to give TWINE the standard Bond film happy ending. In retrospect I have this feeling that if EON had made CR seven years earlier, the result would've looked a lot like TWINE(cringe).
    Precisely. What's most incredible is that I don't think I would have acted in such an emotional manner myself, and I'm not a trained spy, nor am I as experienced a womanizer as Bond. So credibility was lost in my eyes straight away, and independently of the horrific acting on display. The fact that P&W became the writers of choice on the back of this is a tragedy.

    Moreover this came right after the Paris situation in the preceding film & therefore conveyed and compounded an impression to me that Brosnan Bond was emotionally vulnerable when it came to the fairer sex. Thankfully he was redeemed in DAD.
  • FoxRoxFoxRox
    edited August 2017 Posts: 12,525
    TripAces wrote: »
    1. SF
    2. TB
    3. GF
    4. CR
    5. FRWL
    6. YOLT
    7. OHMSS
    8. LALD
    9. TSWLM
    10. QoS
    11. DN
    12. SP
    13. DAF
    14. LTK
    15. GE
    16. OP
    17. FYEO
    18. TLD
    19. AVTAK
    20. TMWTGG
    21. TND
    22. TWINE
    23. DAD
    24. MR

    Unique, nice ranking there! We have the same general least favorites, barring DAF (#21 for me), and some similar favorites (SF, GF, CR, OHMSS).

    Man all this talk about TWINE makes me sad; I honestly do wish I loved that film as much as I used to, but I'd be a liar if I said it impresses me much. It's one of the few Bond films for me that has gotten consistently weaker with each watch, until it has now come near the bottom of my list.
  • ForYourEyesOnlyForYourEyesOnly In the untained cradle of the heavens
    Posts: 1,984
    My latest ranking:

    1. CR
    2. SF
    3. FRWL
    4. GE
    5. TSWLM
    6. OHMSS
    7. GF
    8. FYEO
    9. LALD
    10. TB/OP
    11. OP/TB
    12. DN
    13. LTK
    14. TLD
    15. AVTAK
    16. YOLT
    17. MR
    18. QoS
    19. TWINE
    20. TND
    21. SP
    22. TMWTGG
    23. DAD
    24. DAF

    LALD's been bumped up a fair bit and TND bumped down about as much. I'm also becoming more sympathetic to QoS, while the unevenness of OP has made me question its placement in the top ten.

    It's really a shame that I can't nominate any of the post-GE Brosnan films to a position anywhere near the top ten, since he was my first Bond. Definitive, but his middle two entries were distinctly flat and plagued with mediocre writing/uneven acting, while DAD is, as entertaining as it is, a mess through and through.
  • Some_Kind_Of_HeroSome_Kind_Of_Hero
    Posts: 6,844
    FoxRox wrote: »
    Man all this talk about TWINE makes me sad; I honestly do wish I loved that film as much as I used to, but I'd be a liar if I said it impresses me much. It's one of the few Bond films for me that has gotten consistently weaker with each watch, until it has now come near the bottom of my list.

    I'm relieved TWINE fatigue never set in for me. Still neck and neck with OHMSS as one of my all time favorites. It does sound like TWINE is one of the more divisive films in the series. Folks either rank it high or rank it low.
  • FoxRoxFoxRox
    Posts: 12,525
    Some_Kind_Of_Hero wrote: »
    FoxRox wrote: »
    Man all this talk about TWINE makes me sad; I honestly do wish I loved that film as much as I used to, but I'd be a liar if I said it impresses me much. It's one of the few Bond films for me that has gotten consistently weaker with each watch, until it has now come near the bottom of my list.

    I'm relieved TWINE fatigue never set in for me. Still neck and neck with OHMSS as one of my all time favorites. It does sound like TWINE is one of the more divisive films in the series. Folks either rank it high or rank it low.

    I envy you; I hope you can continue to hold it in the high regard I used to. I definitely don't hate the film - or even dislike it, but its flaws have bothered me more and more over time and I always seem to like it a bit less each watch. Still, to me, a weaker Bond film still beats many other movies out there!
  • Some_Kind_Of_HeroSome_Kind_Of_Hero
    Posts: 6,844
    FoxRox wrote: »
    Some_Kind_Of_Hero wrote: »
    FoxRox wrote: »
    Man all this talk about TWINE makes me sad; I honestly do wish I loved that film as much as I used to, but I'd be a liar if I said it impresses me much. It's one of the few Bond films for me that has gotten consistently weaker with each watch, until it has now come near the bottom of my list.

    I'm relieved TWINE fatigue never set in for me. Still neck and neck with OHMSS as one of my all time favorites. It does sound like TWINE is one of the more divisive films in the series. Folks either rank it high or rank it low.

    I envy you; I hope you can continue to hold it in the high regard I used to. I definitely don't hate the film - or even dislike it, but its flaws have bothered me more and more over time and I always seem to like it a bit less each watch. Still, to me, a weaker Bond film still beats many other movies out there!

    How very true. The number of times I've seen even my lowest ranked Bonds...
  • ForYourEyesOnlyForYourEyesOnly In the untained cradle of the heavens
    edited August 2017 Posts: 1,984
    Indeed. Even the worst of the Bonds are still entertaining in their own right.

    @FoxRox - I can sympathise. Brosnan was my first Bond and I enjoyed TWINE greatly back in the day. Unfortunately, its flaws only become ever clearer and more jarring each time I revisit it. As of now, I see it as a mess of a film — endowed with some truly great elements, but they're woven together so poorly that the only list of Bond movies it tops is that of wasted potential, IMO.

    I still rank it over DAD, though. That one was criminally overindulgent and just didn't know when to stop. Worse, no matter how entertaining and carefree it was, it just lacked the good stuff from the onset. There was no Sophie Marceau or meaty part for M. Or even the idea of a good villain that Renard had (Graves is laughably bad in comparison). And the action scenes were too hip-popped and special effects. TWINE at least evoked some classic Bond themes with its action sequences, even if most of them failed to the classic Bonds justice.

    Only four spaces separate the two on my list but it's quite a noticeable gap IMO.
  • FoxRoxFoxRox
    Posts: 12,525
    DAD is definitely still my least favorite Brosnan film - no question. Might become my #23 soon. It just has the most issues, and really becomes a trainwreck in the second half. I don't hate it but it is definitely one of the weakest films.
  • MansfieldMansfield Where the hell have you been?
    Posts: 1,263
    I really like the lists put out by @TripAces and @ForYourEyesOnly.

    @Birdleson what daftness in SF, GE, and YOLT exceeds that of LALD? I know I've read you were at the right age when first viewing LALD. Even still, the film is lacking in rationality.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    Posts: 23,883
    Birdleson wrote: »
    Each film exists on its own plane.
    This is a key point for me, particularly with Bond films, which have so many variations in tone over the 50 + years. As long as they are internally consistent in approach, I can take any style they throw at me. They have to know what they are though.
  • ossyjackossyjack Blackburn, UK
    Posts: 23
    My rankings:

    1) ON HER MAJESTY'S SECRET SERVICE
    2) FROM RUSSIA WITH LOVE
    3) CASINO ROYALE
    4) GOLDENEYE
    5) YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE
    6) GOLDFINGER
    7) LICENCE TO KILL
    8) FOR YOUR EYES ONLY
    9) SPECTRE
    10) THUNDERBALL
    11) SKYFALL
    12) A VIEW TO A KILL
    13) DR NO
    14) THE LIVING DAYLIGHTS
    15) TOMORROW NEVER DIES
    16) OCTOPUSSY
    17) THE SPY WHO LOVED ME
    18) THE WORLD IS NOT ENOUGH
    19) LIVE AND LET DIE
    20) DIAMONDS ARE FOREVER
    21) MOONRAKER
    22) QUANTUM OF SOLACE
    23) THE MAN WITH THE GOLDEN GUN
    24) DIE ANOTHER DAY
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Interesting ranking @ossyjack. Not too much love for Moore I see. I can't see any other patterns, except perhaps that YOLT is much higher than the other Gilbert and Gilbert light (TND) entries.
  • FoxRoxFoxRox
    Posts: 12,525
    I haven't gotten to actually rewatch it recently, but I'm having a sudden higher opinion of AVTAK in my mind lately. It is likely to move up a bit in my ranking soon.
  • Some_Kind_Of_HeroSome_Kind_Of_Hero
    Posts: 6,844
    FoxRox wrote: »
    I haven't gotten to actually rewatch it recently, but I'm having a sudden higher opinion of AVTAK in my mind lately. It is likely to move up a bit in my ranking soon.

    Hey, that's a great Bond to have a higher opinion of!
  • ossyjackossyjack Blackburn, UK
    Posts: 23
    I actually really like AVTAK and it comes 2nd in my Moore rankings after FYEO. I accept Moore's looking too old for the job by this stage and I really don't like Stacey Sutton as a Bond girl, but other than that I love the film. Great music, great locations, plot similar to Goldfinger. Some classic stunts/chases on the Eiffel Tower/Paris, fire truck in San Francisco and the Golden Gate bridge scenes. If Moore had been 10 years younger I think it would be his best by some distance.
  • GBFGBF
    Posts: 3,198
    ossyjack wrote: »
    I actually really like AVTAK and it comes 2nd in my Moore rankings after FYEO. I accept Moore's looking too old for the job by this stage and I really don't like Stacey Sutton as a Bond girl, but other than that I love the film. Great music, great locations, plot similar to Goldfinger. Some classic stunts/chases on the Eiffel Tower/Paris, fire truck in San Francisco and the Golden Gate bridge scenes. If Moore had been 10 years younger I think it would be his best by some distance.

    I have exactly the same opinion. I would only add the great villains and ally.
  • FoxRoxFoxRox
    Posts: 12,525
    Max Zorin and the title song are the two biggest things I love about it, both being some of my favorites from the whole series. Moore, while too old, still does his best and gives a good last performance; he has a noticeable disdain for Zorin in particular that is pretty intense. The story and locations are solid. What I really dislike is Stacey Sutton (probably my least favorite Bond girl), the PTS (also probably my least favorite in the series), and Moore's old age. I've decided though #23 is too low, and I definitely at least prefer it over DAD; I will have to watch it soon and re-rank it.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    Posts: 41,011
    AVTAK is a lot like DAD and DAF for me: regardless of the overall product and where I may rank it, I have an absolute blast every single time I watch them.
  • FoxRoxFoxRox
    Posts: 12,525
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    AVTAK is a lot like DAD and DAF for me: regardless of the overall product and where I may rank it, I have an absolute blast every single time I watch them.

    I definitely enjoy every Bond film to an extent, some higher some lower. The series is just so much fun overall. I definitely have underrated AVTAK too much in the past; certain elements dragged it down too much for me. I think it's about to enjoy a little raise though. Since my 2015 Bondathon though MR has firmly stayed in the bottom spot and I highly doubt that will change soon. I still like that one too, but for the time being, my clear least favorite Bond film.
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
    edited August 2017 Posts: 2,730
    My original ranking from ~2013
    23. Thunderball
    22. Skyfall
    21. Die another day
    20. Dr. No
    19. The World is Not Enough
    18. Moonraker
    17. Live and Let die
    16. You Only Live Twice
    15. The man with the golden gun
    14. A view to a kill
    13. From Russia With Love
    12. Diamonds are Forever
    11.Goldeneye
    10.Octopussy
    9. For Your Eyes Only
    8. Tomorrow Never Dies
    7. The Spy Who Loves Me
    6. License to Kill
    5. Quantum of Solace
    4. The Living Daylights
    3. On Her Majesty's Secret Service
    2. Goldfinger
    1. Casino Royale


    My current ranking

    Incredible

    1. Casino Royale
    2. From Russia With Love
    3. The Living Daylights
    4. Quantum of Solace
    5. Goldfinger

    Great

    6. Octopussy
    7. On Her Majesty's Secret Service
    8. The Spy Who Loved me
    9. Goldeneye
    10. Dr no
    11. Tomorrow Never Dies
    12. License to Kill

    Okay

    13. You Only Live Twice
    14. For Your Eyes Only
    15. Live and Let Die
    16. A View to a Kill

    Dont really like these ones

    17. Moonraker
    18. Spectre
    19. Die Another Day
    20. Thunderball
    21. Skyfall
    22. The Man With the Golden Gun
    23. The World is Not Enough
    24. Diamonds are Forever


  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    Posts: 23,883
    JamesBondKenya wrote: »
    My original ranking from ~2013
    23. Thunderball
    20. Dr. No

    My current ranking
    10. Dr no
    20. Thunderball
    Great to see a massive move up for DN and also the slightly positive reassessment of TB (hope you consider an even more favourable placement in the future).
  • barryt007barryt007
    Posts: 19,339
    Nice to see the AVTAK love here....
  • The_DonaldThe_Donald
    Posts: 170
    Anytime you've got Chris Walken and that score, you're not doing too bad right?
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