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That's really true
The irony is that it actually aped the film series that had turned Bond into a laughing stock in many communities.
Also many thought Bourne had taken Bond's mantel and CR came back and firmly took the crown back with aplomb.
If they can deal with it and get away with not mentioning it then fine but I think that maybe a moment that kind of says that it's not important almost acknowledging it was a mistake that doesn't pull you out the film that stays in context with the plot might be the best way to go.
We messed up we know it and now we are going to make up for it we promise. Like I said one moment between Bond and Ernst that says this is done, that's why I suggested the low key PTS with Bond meeting ESB in prison and in that scene we get a great moment where DC & CW give us what were expecting of their meet up in SP and never got and the past connection is dispensed with there and then.
Into the credits and boom we are done with it, ESB knows it's not worth going there as Bond is not phased. I think it needs to be dealt with though and not brushed away.
Just my take, it's irrelevant to some and not a big deal, usually the ones that like it so much but those of us who see it has a crime against the Bond property we think it's needs to be put to bed early on.
I think if it is dealt with it may actually make what happened in SP easier to swallow as we know that the next film will put things right and give us a storming closer to this era.
By referring back to it, they are in danger of an " ehh? what was that" moment or an "oh, God, I remember now" moment.
Having said that, if they dont refer to it, it becomes the elephant in the room for all of the fans who very much remember it. What a shambles.
The difference in the DC era that the last film tied everything together if you don't address it however early and brief the elephant in the room it most certainly is.
It is a mess agreed and if these films are meant to be viewed as connective tissue like SP set in motion in bold capitals, you might as well continue that with the last film of the act.
Having DC sign off on a unconnected one off will look decidedly weird years down the line.
Just make sure they don't do it again with the next actor. You can make it the same universe but not to the degree it was here. Replacing the actor will be much easier the next time round and hopefully they'll be able to keep the current time line going.
This is not the same situation as before despite some making out they can just carry on.
I'm sure we don't want them producing a different timeline each time the actor changes do we?
I don't think it's all that terrible. I agree the book is far superior, however I find the film's plot enjoyable as well especially when you consider it being released during the Cold War. The Blofeld character leaves something to be desired but I think that is in part due to Bond not having the hatred for him that we see in the books. After all they made OHMSS and YOLT in the wrong order.
The plot is downright sci-fi and has been done to death inside and outside the franchise. No need to do it again.
Fair enough. Just thought it was rather time with the current events. Is it the space aspect that makes it seem like a sci-fi film?
Mainly yes. That World War III and a nuclear holocaust could benefit SPECTRE and Blofeld in the long run is a bit dubious too. There are a few good things in YOLT, mind you: the conversations between Blofeld and Bond are solid, the idea of "killing" Bond at the beginning (even though it ends up being completely inconsequential), but the plot is completely unnecessary for any of the good elements of the movie.
Anyway back on topic, I don't think they want to kill Blofeld for Bond 25. They barely just reintroduced him.
And then he can whip his nuts CR style but this time he will enjoy it like DAF Mr. Wint
biggest mistake of the franchise doing that
You really know how to make matters worse, don't you?
You're contradicting yourself here. You were previously stating that they should take note of FRWL/TB, now you're referencing OHMSS, the most Blofeld heavy of the lot.
Not only does that make no sense, but just No. No. No.
For me this is foremost a topic about thinking of nice ideas to re-introduce Blofeld. And obviously such ideas can contradict each other. I am open to changes and I agreed with @007Blofeld about something, so it included a reassessment from my side :-). To be honest, I am not certain yet which of my ideas I like more @RC7.....
If, if, if they do bring him back, perhaps SPECTRE could release the mother of all viruses? It is topical (re the issues that NHS had recently) and it could be implied that he used the skills obtained via Silva who clealry implied in SF (although I hate linking the films but the damage is done) that his team had great hacking skills. Part of Blofeld's demands would obvioulsly to be released.
Leading on from this (apologies for the tangent), something we have not seen in a Bond movie but have done in other movies, is the good guy trying to save the day as society crumbles around them. Most Bonds focus around the threat from the bad guy or a very focussed issue with jo public not being affected. Also, we would see the moral fibre of society start to come undone and Bond, being made of stronger stuff, would still act as a gentleman as society begins to crumble.
It would be interesting (I know some you you guys would hate it) to see Bond struggle to save the day with social breakdown as the backdrop. It would cetainly add to the tension. He would still be undercover but his skills/invention would be stretched in a new way. It's a big idea...perhaps too big.
I went into Spectre expecting the same tastefulness in exploring Bond's background. I had faith in this team, they had earned it. So I thought "author of all your pain" might just be referring to death of Vesper and M. Would make sense. But oh no. Bond and Blofeld are connected personally... literal foster brothers... Blofeld killed Bond's father figure. Mendes, Logan, Craig, I thought you were better than this fan fiction crap.
So suffice to say I don't want to see any more exploration of Bond and Blofeld's personal connection. Actually I don't care to ever see Blofeld again in the films. They had a chance to reinvent and reintroduce Blofeld for the 21st century, and they blew it. Let's move on to new things.
Although, now DC is coming back, it is harder to dump the idea compared to a new Bond and a clean slate.
My ideal scenario would be him having a brief cameo at the start, then dissapear and allow another Spectre agent, like a Rosa Klebb or Largo type to be the main villain.
I doubt this will happen though. We will get Blofeld as the main villain again. A few things that need to happen if this is the case. They simply need to disregard the foster brother nonsense. They need better writing for the character. And they need someone to coax a better performance from Waltz. I dont even mind if he goes full ham, anything would be preferable to the way he phoned it in during SP.
After the PT we find Bond becoming suspicious of his surroundings since hearing of Blofeld's escape. Like the ending of the novel Solo, Bond is noticeably weary and decides to leave Swann in the middle of the night and never look back.
Then we begin to mine YOLT for material and Bond almost defeats Blofeld but is captured and brainwashed and the film ends. The next actor would be given a great way to start his tenure by trying to kill M in the pretitle sequence of Bond 26.
Interesting idea I think. But I'd also like to see this continuity crap go out the window and get stand alone missions. Either way they have a lot of options.
"It's not you, it's me"
"I need some space"
"I'm not ready for commitment" etc etc, just a little weird IMHO.
Have we ever seen Bond in that scenario before?
Re Blofeld escaping, it does bring the focus back to why he just didn't shoot him when he had the chance. All the evil he gets up to in the new movie is effectively down to Bond not killing him when he had the chance.
There's "No Escape From Death" - now there's a title
Its a lose/lose scenario.
I couldn't agree more...good point.