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I've read that a lot, that Elektra dying should have been the ending. And I can see where you're coming from but for me, her being dead adds a lot more to the final fight scene.
I can see where you're coming from with Renard. I really like him and think what the film did, building him up as this big threat only to reveal that Elektra is the true villain and turns Renard into an oddly sympathetic character, was brilliant. But Robert Carlyle probably should have been saved for a bigger role in a different film. Does seem a waste to have got him and not have him be the main villain.
Definitely agree and that's why I prefer DAD. It's stupid from Iceland onwards but it's at least fun and high concept. Sprinting after a moving plane, getting on board at the last minute and fighting a villain in a mech suit while two hot women in sports bras have a sword fight in the other room as the plane crashes into the Korean demilitarised zone is very OTT and the CGI is piss poor but it's still unmistakeably James Bond. But just running around shooting people in a sea of explosions? The series built its popularity on outrageous high concept scenarios (and before anyone says the books weren't, I'll just remind them of the time Bond saved London from being blown up by a nazi by redirecting the missile to the villains escape submarine, or the time he was forced to battle a giant squid). One of the worst things a Bond film can be is a generic action film imo. And that's why out of the three put forward TND is definitely the worst finale for me.
However, TWINE trumps all of these.
One of the things that always bothered me about DAD's finale was how easily Bond and Jinx penetrated the airfield, using plain old wire cutters to get through the fence, speedily I might add, and then jogging down the taxiway to catch the plane. Great security there.
Also, the invisible car gets all the hate, but does anybody else find those sky glider things they use to parachute to the air field pretty goofy too? They're like something you'd find more out of a G.I. Joe or Transformers movie than Bond.
To be fair weren't they based on real tech or something? Not that it makes it less goofy mind, but people always use that to defend the jetpack in TB so I think the same applies here.
No oneliner to accompany Renard's death either if I recall correctly.
No not at all,he just said "She's waiting for you ".
A good line,in a very underrated Bond film,imo.
"So is she"
So with DAD, the idea of Bond fighting the bad guy as the transport aircraft starts to disintigrate/break up. On paper, Ive no problem with that, sounds great. Could have worked on a DC4 within a previous era?
In comparison, SP on paper does not work...worse then on the screen.
...Still better than Skyfall.
Loved the nuke fambly quote. So cheesy it's marvelous. One of Perverse and Weird's best.
SP's finale is devoid of anything fun, exciting, intense, or memorable to me.
Same here...and I don't think Brosnan is over-acting either,in the "haven't you heard,so is she !" moment.
Bond is exhausted,freezing cold,wet from swimming outside the submarine twice,and is shaking with the effort of containing Renard and the aforementioned cold/wet etc.
Not to mention the pain from the damaged shoulder,which he is forced to use.
I like TWINE ;)
He is straining..he is straining to keep a much stronger opponent at bay with a damaged shoulder,and losing !
- Brosnan's "So is she" is fine. At that point, Bond is half choked to death, after all!
- The sequence in which Bond goes outside the sub and back in is a fine one. It alone disqualifies the movie from having the worst final third.
- Elektra is dead, but there is a bomb about to destroy Istambul. That's fairly serious, I'd imagine.
Of the other three films, I think DAD has the worst last third. The action in the plane is just not interesting and varied enough; the whole sequence is overall dull. Kenneth Tsang's acting is the best thing in it.
Regarding Spectre, in the London scenes, the bit with the photos in the MI6 firing range is a bit too heavyhanded (why do they always uses promo stills in these types of scenes?), but I like the idea of Blofeld pushing Bond's buttons in such a theatrical, dramatic way; it's just that the sequence lived or died by its execution, and they didn't get it quite right. I do enjoy the moment in which Bond talks with Blofeld across the glass, in a stripped down set, and there is an overall surreal, oniric quality to that scene that I appreciate. Bond rescuing Madeleine and taking down Blofeld from afar feels unsatisfying, uninspired. But whatever I like or dislike about the London scenes, the film leaves me wishing there was more happening at the crater... the escape is too brief and simple. The film should've stayed there! So, second worst.
TND is great fun; sheer uncomplicated spectacle! I love Stamper's face when he is about to blow up.
TND leaves it for dust. At least the shoot em' up approach there was good fun.
Sp was equally lazy and bankrupt of creativity. It truly is a chore to sit through-- something I will not voluntarily do again!
I would agree with you if the fight between Bond and Stamper wasn't so poorly staged. I used to find it thrilling but Stamper's mugging always makes me snigger.
I agree though that the SP ending is tough to get through btw.
This.
I forgot the grenade moment Bond had ,which is vintage Bond.
Therefore,i have taken out TND and replaced it with the limp lettuce ending that belongs to DAF..
Hope this meets with your approval fellow members !
Very much so. DAF gets my vote. Not even the campy, explosive end to Mr. Wint and Mr. Kidd can save DAF from the simply rubbish final third.