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  • LeChiffreLeChiffre
    Posts: 1,548
    I want Sam Mendes personally. I loved Spectre albeit not as much as SF. Very talented director. At least it looks like Michael Fassbender won't get to be Bond. After Craig leaves I hope the series goes into hibernation for a few years to give the next fella a chance of success. I'd love a 15 rated Bond. With an old Bond in the vein of Logan. That would shake things up a bit. Get Dalton back for a one off. Or just wait 5 to 10 years for Dan to return.
  • TorgeirtrapTorgeirtrap
    edited November 2017 Posts: 17,756
    LeChiffre wrote: »
    I want Sam Mendes personally. I loved Spectre albeit not as much as SF. Very talented director. At least it looks like Michael Fassbender won't get to be Bond. After Craig leaves I hope the series goes into hibernation for a few years to give the next fella a chance of success. I'd love a 15 rated Bond. With an old Bond in the vein of Logan. That would shake things up a bit. Get Dalton back for a one off. Or just wait 5 to 10 years for Dan to return.

    Hibernation? Sure hope they don't. If anything, they should do the complete opposite if you ask me. If Bond is supposed to be a 'current' movie character, a hibernation might be damaging.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    Posts: 23,883
    Yes, I'm not in favour of any hibernation either, particularly after the leisurely pace of releases during Craig's lengthy run.

    If anything, I think they should blast out of the gates with B26 within 2 years of B25's release. Soft reboot it, keep the budget tight, and focus on giving us a lighter, clean, formula driven thriller like GE.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    Posts: 15,423
    A whole separate continuity after the Craig era, please. And no Logan ripoffs.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
    Posts: 16,351
    ^This.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
    edited November 2017 Posts: 9,117
    HASEROT wrote: »
    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    Things are shaping up. Mendes back, Craig back, P+W back, Newman back, Shatterhand used as title.

    Yes, this is the standard "play it safe" option, which is how EON usually take these Bond tenures. So much for "letting Craig end on a high"...


    Bring on Bond 26.

    the one difference here, is that John Logan wont be back - and it was his lousy writing that got him sacked, and sent the whole SP pre-production into a tizzy...

    i'd hate to say it, but with P&W, there is some stability.. then whoever is brought on to direct, if it IS Mendes, may likely turn to Jez Butterworth again to rewrite and polish what P&W did.

    P&W the Sam Allardyce of writing - parachute them in when the other guy gets sacked and they'll at least keep you from being relegated.

    But no one wants Big Sam by choice whichbis what we've got now.
    LeChiffre wrote: »
    I want Sam Mendes personally. I loved Spectre albeit not as much as SF. Very talented director. At least it looks like Michael Fassbender won't get to be Bond. After Craig leaves I hope the series goes into hibernation for a few years to give the next fella a chance of success. I'd love a 15 rated Bond. With an old Bond in the vein of Logan. That would shake things up a bit. Get Dalton back for a one off. Or just wait 5 to 10 years for Dan to return.

    In case you hadn't noticed we're already in a state of hibernation/coma.

    How much slower can they realistically release them? Once a decade?
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
    Posts: 8,209
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    A whole separate continuity after the Craig era, please. And no Logan ripoffs.

    Yes, establish a whole new with no connection to previous incarnations.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    Posts: 15,423
    talos7 wrote: »
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    A whole separate continuity after the Craig era, please. And no Logan ripoffs.
    Yes, establish a whole new with no connection to previous incarnations.
    Or they could go down the route of a whole new continuity but with the Fleming adventures having had happened, so we get to have a Bond who’s more than a veteran 007. A continuation of the events taken place in the Fleming stories but with an updated timeline. That’s how Dynamite is doing it.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
    Posts: 8,209
    A continuity based on the Fleming source material, not the films, with an entirely new cast.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    Posts: 15,423
    talos7 wrote: »
    A continuity based on the Fleming source material, not the films, with an entirely new cast.
    Exactly. That’s what I meant.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
    Posts: 8,209
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    A continuity based on the Fleming source material, not the films, with an entirely new cast.
    Exactly. That’s what I meant.
    Yes, This was meant to be in agreement but I was in a hurry; I could have worded it better.

  • ToTheRightToTheRight
    Posts: 16,166
    TheWizardOfIce wrote: »
    HASEROT wrote: »
    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    Things are shaping up. Mendes back, Craig back, P+W back, Newman back, Shatterhand used as title.

    Yes, this is the standard "play it safe" option, which is how EON usually take these Bond tenures. So much for "letting Craig end on a high"...


    Bring on Bond 26.

    the one difference here, is that John Logan wont be back - and it was his lousy writing that got him sacked, and sent the whole SP pre-production into a tizzy...

    i'd hate to say it, but with P&W, there is some stability.. then whoever is brought on to direct, if it IS Mendes, may likely turn to Jez Butterworth again to rewrite and polish what P&W did.

    P&W the Sam Allardyce of writing - parachute them in when the other guy gets sacked and they'll at least keep you from being relegated.

    But no one wants Big Sam by choice whichbis what we've got now.
    LeChiffre wrote: »
    I want Sam Mendes personally. I loved Spectre albeit not as much as SF. Very talented director. At least it looks like Michael Fassbender won't get to be Bond. After Craig leaves I hope the series goes into hibernation for a few years to give the next fella a chance of success. I'd love a 15 rated Bond. With an old Bond in the vein of Logan. That would shake things up a bit. Get Dalton back for a one off. Or just wait 5 to 10 years for Dan to return.

    In case you hadn't noticed we're already in a state of hibernation/coma.

    How much slower can they realistically release them? Once a decade?

    I hate to admit it, but at the rate they're going, I do believe we could eventually get only one Bond film per decade.
    I'd love to see some substantial news or progress that might change that opinion, though.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    Posts: 6,303
    nobodydoesitbetter wrote: »
    Would love to see Mendes return and direct Bond 25. However most directors have numerous projects that they are attached to and it might be that he has left Pinocchio to pursue one of those. I think that back in early 2017 he was attached to a film being developed by SONY - MY FAVOURITE THING IS MONSTERS. Not sure if he is still attached to this one or not.

    However - Mendes is probably aware of some of the issues that plague SP and would like to return to make the greatest Bond film ever made. Considering all the behind the scenes mayhem we discovered through the Sony leaks what Mendes and his team delivered in SP was a thrilling and entertaining Bond adventure. In my opinion.

    I think if the "brother" story had been dropped and Blofeld was...well just Blofeld with no family connections I think the film and Mendes would be treated a bit better around here. How do all you Campbell fans think SP (with the same screenplay) would have turned out ? A better film. Probably not.

    Of everyone on the list to potentially direct Bond 25 I think the best choice would be to try and get Mendes back. With a solid story and a great screenplay Mendes would deliver.

    Hard to say what Campbell would have done with SP (and Logan was Mendes' guy so it probably would have been a totally different story). With Campbell, I do think the action scenes would have been better and the film would have been edited more tightly. The Spectre conference scene goes. On. Forever.
  • GetafixGetafix
    Posts: 11,425
    TheWizardOfIce wrote: »
    HASEROT wrote: »
    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    Things are shaping up. Mendes back, Craig back, P+W back, Newman back, Shatterhand used as title.

    Yes, this is the standard "play it safe" option, which is how EON usually take these Bond tenures. So much for "letting Craig end on a high"...


    Bring on Bond 26.

    the one difference here, is that John Logan wont be back - and it was his lousy writing that got him sacked, and sent the whole SP pre-production into a tizzy...

    i'd hate to say it, but with P&W, there is some stability.. then whoever is brought on to direct, if it IS Mendes, may likely turn to Jez Butterworth again to rewrite and polish what P&W did.

    P&W the Sam Allardyce of writing - parachute them in when the other guy gets sacked and they'll at least keep you from being relegated.

    But no one wants Big Sam by choice whichbis what we've got now.
    LeChiffre wrote: »
    I want Sam Mendes personally. I loved Spectre albeit not as much as SF. Very talented director. At least it looks like Michael Fassbender won't get to be Bond. After Craig leaves I hope the series goes into hibernation for a few years to give the next fella a chance of success. I'd love a 15 rated Bond. With an old Bond in the vein of Logan. That would shake things up a bit. Get Dalton back for a one off. Or just wait 5 to 10 years for Dan to return.

    In case you hadn't noticed we're already in a state of hibernation/coma.

    How much slower can they realistically release them? Once a decade?

    Get Dalton back?! Now we're talking!
  • HASEROTHASEROT has returned like the tedious inevitability of an unloved season---
    Posts: 4,399
    LeChiffre wrote: »
    ... I'd love a 15 rated Bond. With an old Bond in the vein of Logan. That would shake things up a bit....

    christ no.. we've got the "too old to serve" Bond storyline in SF..

    this is the dangerous path with Craig that i was worried they'd go down - and thats treating his tenure as if it's the alpha and omega of Bond... we never referenced Bond's age in Sean's run - never got it with Broz - and we sure as hell never got it with Rog who 57 in AVTAK... i can't put my finger on why it bothers me so much - it just does.. lol
  • GetafixGetafix
    Posts: 11,425
    I found it grated in SF because we'd just come out of QoS where DC's Bond seemed on top of his game. Then suddenly in SF he's a has-been. I think everyone was looking forward to B24 being a 'Bond in his prime' adventure and what we got was very different, albeit BO catnip.

    They've shot that 'old Bond' bolt already I feel. But where else do they go for DC's timeline?
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    edited November 2017 Posts: 15,423
    Instead of resorting to hibernation and repeating Skyfall hundred times, I'd rather they take more liberties with the storytelling while still remaining respectful to the franchise and the source material without going over their heads to change actual character backgrounds with absurd turnouts (i.e. Blofeld being an Oberhauser, let alone foster brother to Bond).

    Things the Bond films shouldn't do for a long time:
    -Rogue Agent villain
    -Mole/Traitor Within
    -Personal Connections to main/recurring characters
    -Trust Issues with the home team (MI-6 overall)
    -Romantic Outburst with a Bond Girl (i.e. creating another Vesper or Tracy)
    -Bond Going Rogue (please stop!)
    -NOC List Being The Subject (done to death!)
    -Old Man Bond/Old vs New (or Old Dog, New Tricks)
    -Killing Off Main Characters To Create Drama

    Instead of repeating these all over again, write a damn genuine James Bond thriller and make it look original. No, Bond doesn't have to wear a tuxedo and go to a casino in every film. Write a spy thriller plot, and tailor it to Bond afterwards. Not too hard to achieve.
  • barryt007barryt007
    edited November 2017 Posts: 19,339
    LeChiffre wrote: »
    I want Sam Mendes personally. I loved Spectre albeit not as much as SF. Very talented director. At least it looks like Michael Fassbender won't get to be Bond. After Craig leaves I hope the series goes into hibernation for a few years to give the next fella a chance of success. I'd love a 15 rated Bond. With an old Bond in the vein of Logan. That would shake things up a bit. Get Dalton back for a one off. Or just wait 5 to 10 years for Dan to return.

    Eeeeee no no to all points there !!

    And NO continuity...Bond is not a bloody soap opera,back to standalone only please !!!!
  • Gustav_GravesGustav_Graves
    Posts: 11,119
    PanchitoPistoles wrote: »
    So potential Bond 25 directors from most likely to least likely (right now):

    1. Sam Mendes
    2. Yann Demange
    3. Denis Villeneuve
    4. David Mackenzie
    5. Steven Soderbergh

    Agree? Disagree?

    Time to bet now @PanchitoPistoles ;-):

    https://www.mi6community.com/discussion/18445/the-mi6community-betting-corner-bet-1-added-next-bond-25-director#latest
  • Gustav_GravesGustav_Graves
    Posts: 11,119
    barryt007 wrote: »
    LeChiffre wrote: »
    I want Sam Mendes personally. I loved Spectre albeit not as much as SF. Very talented director. At least it looks like Michael Fassbender won't get to be Bond. After Craig leaves I hope the series goes into hibernation for a few years to give the next fella a chance of success. I'd love a 15 rated Bond. With an old Bond in the vein of Logan. That would shake things up a bit. Get Dalton back for a one off. Or just wait 5 to 10 years for Dan to return.

    Eeeeee no no to all points there !!

    And NO continuity...Bond is not a bloody soap opera,back to standalone only please !!!!

    Bond is not ignorant either! Like he was in DAF, after the events of OHMSS.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    Posts: 15,423
    Gustav_Graves wrote: »
    barryt007 wrote: »
    LeChiffre wrote: »
    I want Sam Mendes personally. I loved Spectre albeit not as much as SF. Very talented director. At least it looks like Michael Fassbender won't get to be Bond. After Craig leaves I hope the series goes into hibernation for a few years to give the next fella a chance of success. I'd love a 15 rated Bond. With an old Bond in the vein of Logan. That would shake things up a bit. Get Dalton back for a one off. Or just wait 5 to 10 years for Dan to return.

    Eeeeee no no to all points there !!

    And NO continuity...Bond is not a bloody soap opera,back to standalone only please !!!!
    Bond is not ignorant either! Like he was in DAF, after the events of OHMSS.
    I think what @barryt007 meant was that the films shouldn't be direct sequels to one another. Just standalone adventures while living under the same roof and keeping the events intact and referenced every once in a while. Not be what Solace was to Royale, and what Spectre was to its all three predecessors.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
    edited November 2017 Posts: 8,209
    Like the MI films have done so well, there can be continuity without having each film being dependent on the previous. I guess you could call it “passive continuity “
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    Posts: 15,423
    talos7 wrote: »
    Like the MI films have done, there can be continuity without having each film being dependent on the previous. I guess you could call it “passive continuity “
    +1

    The Fleming novels did pretty much the same. And so did the first two Bond films.
  • DennisonDennison
    Posts: 1,031
    talos7 wrote: »
    Like the MI films have done so well, there can be continuity without having each film being dependent on the previous. I guess you could call it “passive continuity “

    M:I 6 will be a bit more 'active' with relation to M:I III
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    Posts: 15,423
    Dennison wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    Like the MI films have done so well, there can be continuity without having each film being dependent on the previous. I guess you could call it “passive continuity “

    M:I 6 will be a bit more 'active' with relation to M:I III
    Only in regards to Julia. Not the whole film. It'll be more active to Rogue Nation if anything.
  • DennisonDennison
    Posts: 1,031
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    Dennison wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    Like the MI films have done so well, there can be continuity without having each film being dependent on the previous. I guess you could call it “passive continuity “

    M:I 6 will be a bit more 'active' with relation to M:I III
    Only in regards to Julia. Not the whole film. It'll be more active to Rogue Nation if anything.

    You seen the script?
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    Posts: 15,423
    Dennison wrote: »
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    Dennison wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    Like the MI films have done so well, there can be continuity without having each film being dependent on the previous. I guess you could call it “passive continuity “

    M:I 6 will be a bit more 'active' with relation to M:I III
    Only in regards to Julia. Not the whole film. It'll be more active to Rogue Nation if anything.

    You seen the script?
    Have you?
  • Gustav_GravesGustav_Graves
    Posts: 11,119
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    Gustav_Graves wrote: »
    barryt007 wrote: »
    LeChiffre wrote: »
    I want Sam Mendes personally. I loved Spectre albeit not as much as SF. Very talented director. At least it looks like Michael Fassbender won't get to be Bond. After Craig leaves I hope the series goes into hibernation for a few years to give the next fella a chance of success. I'd love a 15 rated Bond. With an old Bond in the vein of Logan. That would shake things up a bit. Get Dalton back for a one off. Or just wait 5 to 10 years for Dan to return.

    Eeeeee no no to all points there !!

    And NO continuity...Bond is not a bloody soap opera,back to standalone only please !!!!
    Bond is not ignorant either! Like he was in DAF, after the events of OHMSS.
    I think what @barryt007 meant was that the films shouldn't be direct sequels to one another. Just standalone adventures while living under the same roof and keeping the events intact and referenced every once in a while. Not be what Solace was to Royale, and what Spectre was to its all three predecessors.

    Okay, I understand. I actually agree with that. But I do want the chronology/continuity to be sound for Bond 25. Like a short mention of Madeleine Swann.....without actually seeing her. Just like Bond referred to the events in DN in GF. By doing that you don't have by default a 'soap opera'.
  • DennisonDennison
    Posts: 1,031
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    Dennison wrote: »
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    Dennison wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    Like the MI films have done so well, there can be continuity without having each film being dependent on the previous. I guess you could call it “passive continuity “

    M:I 6 will be a bit more 'active' with relation to M:I III
    Only in regards to Julia. Not the whole film. It'll be more active to Rogue Nation if anything.

    You seen the script?
    Have you?

    A few pages :)
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    Posts: 15,423
    Dennison wrote: »
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    Dennison wrote: »
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    Dennison wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    Like the MI films have done so well, there can be continuity without having each film being dependent on the previous. I guess you could call it “passive continuity “

    M:I 6 will be a bit more 'active' with relation to M:I III
    Only in regards to Julia. Not the whole film. It'll be more active to Rogue Nation if anything.

    You seen the script?
    Have you?
    A few pages :)
    I did see one page that McQuarrie posted on his social media account, but apart from that I haven't. So, what you're saying is that they're going to tie Philip Seymour-Hoffman's character to the Syndicate? or maybe even bring Rabbit's Foot to the play?
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