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  • ThepastykidThepastykid
    Posts: 553
    Title Track: MR
    Title Credits: MR
    Main Villain: MR
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Henchman: DN
    Overall Plot: DN
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: MR
    Settings: DN
    Action: DN
    Humour: DN
    Cinematography: MR
    Benign Bizarre: MR
    Suspense: DN
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: MR
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN: 10
    MR: 7
  • vzokvzok
    Posts: 4,045
    Title Track: MR
    Title Credits: MR
    Main Villain: MR
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Henchman: DN
    Overall Plot: DN
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: MR
    Settings: MR
    Action: DN
    Humour: DN
    Cinematography: MR
    Benign Bizarre: DN
    Suspense: DN
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: MR
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN: 10
    MR: 7
  • Perilagu_KhanPerilagu_Khan
    Posts: 2,483
    Title Track: MR
    Title Credits: DN
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Henchman: MR
    Overall Plot: DN
    Dialogue: MR
    Score: MR
    Settings: MR
    Action: MR
    Humour: MR
    Cinematography: MR
    Benign Bizarre: MR
    Suspense: MR
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN: 7
    MR: 10
  • ForYourEyesOnlyForYourEyesOnly In the untained cradle of the heavens
    edited November 2017 Posts: 1,984
    EDIT: Figured if I enjoyed something in MR more, I should give the point to MR. That's what it was going for anyway.

    Title Track: DN
    Title Credits: MR
    Main Villain: MR
    Main Bond Girl: MR
    Henchman: MR
    Overall Plot: DN
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: MR
    Settings: MR
    Action: MR
    Humour: MR
    Cinematography: MR
    Benign Bizarre: MR
    Suspense: DN
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: MR
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN: 6
    MR: 11

    Interesting. They're only one spot apart in my rankings, but I think DN is better. I suppose I do enjoy MR more, though. Most of its wins here are from the production values, but DN tends to come out on top in the more important categories.

    Villain and Bond girl were difficult picks, though. They're portrayed better in DN but I enjoyed them more in MR.
  • Crazysoul95Crazysoul95
    Posts: 3,336
    Title Track: DN
    Title Credits: DN
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Henchman: MR
    Overall Plot: DN
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: MR
    Settings: MR
    Action: MR
    Humour: MR
    Cinematography: MR
    Benign Bizarre: DN
    Suspense: DN
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: MR
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN: 10
    MR: 7
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
    Posts: 25,360
    Title Track: MR
    Title Credits: DN
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Henchman: DN
    Overall Plot: DN
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: MR
    Settings: MR
    Action: MR
    Humour: MR
    Cinematography: MR
    Benign Bizarre: MR
    Suspense: DN
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN 10
    MR 7
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
    edited November 2017 Posts: 14,662
    Title Track: DN (the Bond theme of course, but I don't mind MR as a more mellow theme)
    Title Credits: DN (I'll take the dot patterns and Jamaican dancers overlaying each other - MR was one of the weaker Binder efforts IMO)
    Main Villain: MR (Drax beats No here only due to his longer screen time. Both are great villains with excellent dialogue)
    Main Bond Girl: MR (Not sure why I rate Holly higher - perhaps because she's more competent than Honey)
    Henchman: MR (only Cha/Chang & Jaws together can beat the excellent Professor Dent)
    Overall Plot: MR (DN is nice and simple, but conquering Earth from space is... kind of a big deal)
    Dialogue: MR (good dialogue in either film, but Drax has some of the best in the series)
    Score: MR (very memorable, nice mixture of uplifting and dramatic music)
    Settings: MR (No's spider room/control room are epic, but Drax has the centrifuge trainer/Aztec lair/exhaust chamber/space station)
    Action: MR (PTS/Cha fight/cable car antics/space battle, it's all here)
    Humour: MR (don't remember much humour in DN)
    Cinematography: MR (love Rio's scope from sugarloaf mountain, & Venice - best parts of the film)
    Benign Bizarre: MR (lab technician's death, and the fact Drax tries to poison the entire human race)
    Suspense: MR (Corrine chased by dogs/shuttle targeting the globes)
    Minor Characters: DN (Dent/Quarrel/Miss Taro/Leiter/Sylvia all very good)
    Glamour: MR (was going to say DN for Le Cercle and No's glamorous living quarters/dining table, but forgot about Drax' estate. Add Venice to the glamour too)
    Bond Performance: DN (not keen on some of his snappy demands, but other than that Sean nailed it with his first film)

    DN: 4
    MR: 13 Didn't expect that. I'd probably rate DN a tad higher if I were to rank them.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
    Posts: 25,360
    DN is currently at number four in my Ranking tough for any other film to beat it, I rate MR as my second favorite Moore film currently so it was a good contest.
  • CrzChris4CrzChris4
    Posts: 463
    Title Track: MR
    Title Credits: DN
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Henchman: DN
    Overall Plot: DN
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: MR
    Settings: MR
    Action: MR
    Humour: DN
    Cinematography: MR
    Benign Bizarre: MR
    Suspense: DN
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN 11
    MR 6

  • MooseWithFleasMooseWithFleas Philadelphia
    Posts: 3,370
    MR is my favorite Bond film and I fully expect to get bashed for it like usual. But bring it on!



    Title Track: MR (Bassey always wins for me)
    Title Credits: MR (Space theme makes for one of Binder's last great efforts)
    Main Villain: MR (Drax is easily top 3 for me)
    Main Bond Girl: MR (Goodhead used to be one of my least favorite Bond girls, but I've gained a new perspective on her, while Honey I just don't care for too much)
    Henchman: MR (Jaws is my favorite henchman)
    Overall Plot: MR (Ludicrous? Yep. Over the top? Of course. Completely unrealistic? You bet. But sometimes I just love my Bond that way.)
    Dialogue: MR (Drax has the best villain lines apart from maybe Kamal Khan. Oh and I think he's attempting re-entry sir)
    Score: MR (A Barry belter. Flight into Space is epic, Bond Arrives in Rio is whimsical, and the slower Moonraker theme cues are simply beautiful)
    Settings: MR (Rio looks incredible / Sugarloaf mountain has been awe-inspiring since I was a kid. And Space!)
    Action: MR (Bond stunts had gone to the next level starting with LALD. This continues in MR with the pre-titles, zero-gravity stunts, and space laser battles)
    Humour: MR (Same reasons as Dialogue)
    Cinematography: MR (Money is clearly on the screen here, watching this one in 4k is such a treat)
    Benign Bizarre: MR (Jaws/Dolly, which legitimately tears me up at the end of the film. While most hate it, I absolutely adore it)
    Suspense: MR (Shooting of the globes, waiting til the very last possible moment with the globe entering the atmosphere)
    Minor Characters: MR (Lee's last performance as M is great. I love how he shows his trust and confidence in Bond when he and Bond have the inside understanding of him going to Rio after the Minister of Defence calls for him to be removed from the case)
    Glamour: MR (Again the money clearly helps here and the chateaux they used for Drax's estate might still be the most incredible mansion/property I've seen)
    Bond Performance: MR (Rog is in top stride between TSWLM and MR).

    DN 0
    MR 17

    MR is #1 in my rankings while DN has been bouncing around the edge of top 10. But DN itself has been doing poorer in my face to face by the elements scoring, mostly on account of not having the Bond Formula fully identified yet.
  • BondAficionadoBondAficionado Former IMDBer
    Posts: 1,890
    Title Track: DN
    Title Credits: MR
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Henchman: DN
    Overall Plot: MR
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: MR
    Settings: MR
    Action: MR
    Humour: DN
    Cinematography: MR
    Benign Bizarre: DN
    Suspense: DN
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN 11
    MR 6

    Wasn't expecting MR to get so many.
  • DoctorNoDoctorNo USA-Maryland
    Posts: 755
    Title Track: DN
    Title Credits: DN
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Henchman: DN
    Overall Plot: DN
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: DN
    Settings: DN
    Action: MR
    Humour: DN
    Cinematography: MR
    Benign Bizarre: DN
    Suspense: DN
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN: 15
    MR: 2

  • SoundofthesinnersSoundofthesinners
    Posts: 3,236
    Does anyone have any final entries before we press on into the 1980s?
  • GBFGBF
    Posts: 3,197
    Title Track: DN
    Title Credits: DN
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: MR
    Henchman: MR
    Overall Plot: DN
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: MR
    Settings: DN
    Action: MR
    Humour: MR
    Cinematography: MR
    Benign Bizarre: MR
    Suspense: MR
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: MR
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN: 8
    MR: 9

    I like DN more, however, MR wins because of the minor categories like glamour, benign bizarre, etc.
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
    Posts: 4,077
    Title Track: DN
    Title Credits: DN
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: DN (Do enjoy Holly Good head though)
    Henchman: MR
    Overall Plot: DN
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: MR
    Settings: DN
    Action: MR
    Humour: MR (Although some of it is childish)
    Cinematography: DN
    Benign Bizarre: MR
    Suspense: DN
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: MR
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN - 11
    MR - 6
  • royale65royale65 Caustic misanthrope reporting for duty.
    Posts: 4,423
    Title Track: DN
    Title Credits: DN
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Henchman: DN
    Overall Plot: DN
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: MR
    Settings: DN
    Action: MR
    Humour: DN
    Cinematography: MR
    Benign Bizarre: DN
    Suspense: MR
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: MR
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN: 12
    MR: 5

    17

    I thought I had done this already.
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
    Posts: 5,131
    Next please.....
  • MooseWithFleasMooseWithFleas Philadelphia
    Posts: 3,370
    For your eyes only.... Only for you!
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
    Posts: 2,730
    Title Track: MR
    Title Credits: DN
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Henchman: MR
    Overall Plot: DN
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: MR
    Settings: MR
    Action: MR
    Humour: DN
    Cinematography: MR
    Benign Bizarre: DN
    Suspense: DN
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: MR
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN: 10
    MR: 7
  • SoundofthesinnersSoundofthesinners
    Posts: 3,236
    Sorry folks, got distracted with the holidays and all, didn't come around to wrap the game up. But it seems we got a few more entries, so all's well that ends well. Unfortunately, things did not end so well for Moonraker, as it fell to Dr. No by a margin of 255-170-1. A late rally couldn't prevent it from losing the overall games 19-6, either. With this bit of business concluded, we move into the 1980's, as Connery's first takes on Moore's fifth, For Your Eyes Only. Let's see how it fares against another grounded, down to earth adventure...

    Title Track: DN
    Title Credits: FYEO (it does have Sheena Easton, after all)
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Henchman: DN
    Overall Plot: FYEO (because of the revenge angle mixed in)
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: DN (Rocky's score was great, Bill, I'm sorry)
    Settings: FYEO (St. Cyril's is beautiful, an understated bit of Bond)
    Action: FYEO
    Humour: DN
    Cinematography: DN
    Benign Bizarre: DN (went with Dr. No's lair, although it was close)
    Suspense: FYEO (for the keelhauling scene)
    Minor Characters: DN (take that, Bibi Dahl)
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: DN

    A final score of 12-5 for DN! A bit more lopsided than expected, but I suppose that will happen when you have two similar Bonds, even close in the rankings. Well, let's see if FYEO notches a few more victories on your scorecards, shall we?
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489

    Title Track: DN
    Title Credits: DN
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: FYEO
    Henchman: DN
    Overall Plot: FYEO
    Dialogue: FYEO
    Score: DN
    Settings: FYEO
    Action: FYEO
    Humour: FYEO
    Cinematography: FYEO
    Benign Bizarre: DN
    Suspense: FYEO
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: DN

    Score-DN 9, FYEO 8
  • ForYourEyesOnlyForYourEyesOnly In the untained cradle of the heavens
    Posts: 1,984
    Title Track: DN
    Title Credits: FYEO
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: FYEO
    Henchman: DN
    Overall Plot: FYEO
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: FYEO
    Settings: FYEO
    Action: FYEO
    Humour: FYEO
    Cinematography: FYEO
    Benign Bizarre: DN
    Suspense: FYEO
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: Tie
    Bond Performance: DN

    FYEO - 9, DN - 7, Tie - 1
  • Crazysoul95Crazysoul95
    Posts: 3,336
    Title Track: FYEO
    Title Credits: FYEO
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Henchman: DN
    Overall Plot: FYEO
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: FYEO
    Settings: FYEO
    Action: FYEO
    Humour: FYEO
    Cinematography: FYEO
    Benign Bizarre: DN
    Suspense: FYEO
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: DN

    FYEO 9
    DN 8
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
    Posts: 2,730
    Title Track: F
    Title Credits: DN
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Henchman: F
    Overall Plot: F
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: F
    Settings: F
    Action: F
    Humour: DN
    Cinematography: DN
    Benign Bizarre: DN
    Suspense: DN
    Minor Characters: F
    Glamour: F
    Bond Performance: F

    DN: 8
    FYEO: 9
  • Major_BoothroydMajor_Boothroyd Republic of Isthmus
    edited December 2017 Posts: 2,722
    Title Track: DN (FYEO is very low on my list of title songs)

    Title Credits: DN (I like the funky 60s dots fading into Jamaican dancing and dissolving into three blind mice shadows. Not a fan of the sheena Easton music video feel of FYEO, although the colour scheme is pleasant)

    Main Villain: DN (DN is a favourite and Kristatos is an intentionally underplayed villain with a modest plan. Rewatching this recently I grew to like Glover's performance especially in his first interaction with 007)

    Main Bond Girl: FYEO (it's a shame Melina gets sidelined in the middle of this film - but she has such a strong opening two scenes - her parents death and her revenge on Gonzales. Throw in being part of the keel haul sequence and the final assault and she is tough to beat.)

    Henchman: DN (gotta give this to Dent. I like loque, he's creepy and quiet but Dent and the three blind mice win it.)

    Overall Plot: FYEO (I like DN's plot but FYEO has good intrigue and strong Fleming elements too. I like the opportunistic nature of the villain's plan and Melina's subplot is powerful.)

    Dialogue: DN (I love DN's dialogue and it often wins this category, FYEO has few memorable lines - with the exception of Q's 'that's putting it mildly 007')

    Score: DN (I will always take the opportunity to say how I have a special place in my heart for 'Submarine' in FYEO. But overall I prefer DN.)

    Settings: FYEO (Flying bond, underwater Bond, skiing bond, climbing bond. So much to like in FYEO. I love the way Jamaica is presented in DN but I really like the variety of settings in FYEO.)

    Action: FYEO (keel haul sequence, warehouse raid, the helicopter stunts, skiing chase especially down the bobsled track and the bike work on the slopes and of course the rock climbing.)

    Humour: DN (the dry, dark humour of DN wins it)

    Cinematography: FYEO

    Benign Bizarre: DN (dragons, metal hands, disembodied voices in shadowy rooms, three blind mice)

    Suspense: FYEO (DN has good suspense but FYEO has some excellent moments especially the loque on the cliff edge moment, keel haul and rock climbing.)

    Minor Characters: DN (As much as I like Columbo - he's dragged down by bibi Dahl and no Bernard Lee. Especially up against Bernard Lee in his prime, Quarrel and Felix)

    Glamour: DN (FYEO has some nice glamour but can't defeat Connery in the casino)

    Bond Performance: DN (Moore has some terrific moments and understands the shift in tone very well - but this is Connery at his deadliest.)

    DN: 11
    FYEO: 6

    Both are top ten but DN is top five for me. Love them both.
  • vzokvzok
    Posts: 4,045
    Title Track: FYEO
    Title Credits: FYEO
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Henchman: DN
    Overall Plot: FYEO
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: DN
    Settings: DN
    Action: FYEO
    Humour: DN
    Cinematography: DN
    Benign Bizarre: DN
    Suspense: FYEO
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN: 12
    FYEO: 5
  • barryt007barryt007
    Posts: 19,339
    Title Track: DN
    Title Credits: FYEO
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: Neither
    Henchman: DN
    Overall Plot: FYEO
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: DN
    Settings: DN
    Action: FYEO
    Humour: DN
    Cinematography: FYEO
    Benign Bizarre: DN
    Suspense: FYEO
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: FYEO

    DN: 10
    FYEO: 6
    DRAW: 1
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
    Posts: 4,077
    Title Track: DN (Love Sheena Easton's song but nothing beats the Bond theme)
    Title Credits: FYEO (Very nice)
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Henchman: DN
    Overall Plot: FYEO
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: FYEO (Love conti's score)
    Settings: DN
    Action: FYEO
    Humour: DN
    Cinematography: DN
    Benign Bizarre: DN
    Suspense: FYEO (The rock climb is gripping)
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN - 12

    FYEO - 5
  • Perilagu_KhanPerilagu_Khan
    edited December 2017 Posts: 2,483
    Title Track: FYEO
    Title Credits: DN
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Henchman: DN
    Overall Plot: FYEO
    Dialogue: FYEO
    Score: FYEO
    Settings: FYEO
    Action: FYEO
    Humour: FYEO
    Cinematography: FYEO
    Benign Bizarre: DN
    Suspense: FYEO
    Minor Characters: FYEO
    Glamour: FYEO
    Bond Performance: DN

    Score-DN 6 FYEO 11
  • BondAficionadoBondAficionado Former IMDBer
    Posts: 1,890
    Title Track: DN
    Title Credits: FYEO
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Henchman: DN
    Overall Plot: DN
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: DN
    Settings: DN
    Action: DN
    Humour: DN
    Cinematography: FYEO
    Benign Bizarre: DN
    Suspense: DN
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN 15
    FYEO 2
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