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Judging from the rest of the comment, I'd say we have been watching separate films indeed. Hoffman alone gives the film merit for me. He's immense - creepy and straight up horrible. It's telling that people write the film off without even being able to remember that he was present during the film's climax.
"Ethan, that's not who we are!"
"Maybe we need to reconsider that!"
We literally had that already with the 3rd film! To my relief, it was just a fake-out.
Also, I can't help but think they laid it on a little thick. Even the suspenseful scenes with Hoffman are a bit soapy.
“You have a wife … girlfriend? Because if you do, I’m gonna find her, whoever she is. I’m gonna hurt her. I’m gonna make her bleed, and cry, and call out your name. And then I’m gonna find you, and kill you right in front of her.”
It's like having a pregnant woman in a hijack or disaster film. All a bit much.
Except he did though, didn't he?
Ah, it does hold its own plot together. You not liking the plot and the plot being good are not mutually exclusive. Same goes for my flipside. As I said, the film succeeded in doing exactly what it set out to do. The criticisms of it are still extremely flakey and blown way out of proportion, for me.
The impossible mission? Stop an arms dealer from acquiring then selling a potentially devastating weapon and save your wife from a nasty end while being painted as a traitor by your own organisation? Seems pretty difficult, at least. About as difficult as preventing a terrorist organisation from getting its hands on loads of money while also being painted as a traitor, like in ROGUE NATION.
Look, I get that people don't like the melodramatic aspect of it. It's not the best for my eyes either. As I said above, the rooftop stuff between Ethan and Julia is a bit on the sappy side and only really made bareable by two good actors. But, not for a minute after that did I feel that the melodramatic stuff was enough of a main focus to take away from any of the other stuff I liked in the film, and that seems to be where the difference of opinion lies.
I like the Vatican stuff. I like the Bridge battle. I like the low-key finale, preceeded by Tom's best running until FALLOUT came along.
The only one I really have ever had trouble with was the second one. It was rubbish when it came out and has only gotten worse - Newton being a bright spark amidst a load of dull nonsense.
Re: M:I-3, I guess it just comes down to tolerance levels and there's a lot more there that I like rather than dislike. If "soap operas" were that loud I'd probably stop berating those who watch them.
At least we can certainly agree that FALLOUT is superior, all the same.
And that ending at the offices. It's sooooooooooo TV, I expected it to cut straight to the ABC News team announcing "We hope you enjoyed the third season finale of MISSION: IMPOSSIBLE. Stay tuned for an interview with J.J. Abrams on the direction of the next season. Tonight at 11!!!"
As I mentioned already when I went into the theater to see GP I didn't have particularly high expectations. M:I-3 left me nonplussed. CR ran circles around it in 2006! So I basically went into GP just to see the Burj Khalifa scene, since it was so heavily advertised everywhere and talked about. So I figured I better see this death-defying spectacle on the big screen. But when I walked out of the movie theater I was completely enthralled by what I had just seen. Within a day or so I was back in the movie theater seeing it a second time. It wasn't just the Burj Khalifa scene (spectacular as it was), it was the whole tone and flow of the film. This time it felt different, unlike what the previous M:I films gave me. It was just a grand and exciting adventure! I wanted more! The break-in into the Kremlin scene (with the fake projector wall) was as suspenseful to me as the break into the CIA room in the first film, and the crazy fight in that automated moving parking garage at the end was one of the most inventive and exciting things I had seen. This film had a creative energy that I hadn't witnessed in the previous films.
You can bet I was back in the movie theater when ROGUE NATION came out, but honestly I didn't expect it to top GP. I honestly thought at the time that GP was a fluke, a one-off. But then RN blew my mind and managed to top GP! And now FALLOUT has topped RN! It's a crazy exciting time to be a fan of this franchise.
That was a good listen.
McQuarrie also recently said that Cruise and he realized that GP showed them the way forward, in terms of overall approach. It was where it all clicked.
RN
FO
GP: the first act is a little hokey, the second is superb, the third is terrible and sinks it
MI: just watched this again after Fallout and it felt like watching a tv show. People must have nostalgia goggle to rank this high. It’s still entertaining though and the CIA computer break in scene is still great.
MI3: I’m with others, this movie is overwrought (to point of creepy); and often mediocre though it does have its moments and did seem to make up for MI2
MI2: saw it once in theaters. Never again.
The first three films certainly don't have much connective tissue. They really do feel like Tom Cruise just handing the keys to each director to do their own unique take without regard to what came before. It was even weirder to watch M:I-3 this time and see Simon Pegg who is only a cameo and they hadn't nailed his character Benji yet as he was just someone that delivered exposition. That new team introduced along with the "M" of the IMF played by Laurence Fishburne disappear off the face of the earth by GP.
I do hope Renner's schedule is more open to do the next one, I liked how he played as sort of a foil as much as an ally to Cruise. I'm glad he turned down doing a cameo where he would have been killed, I don't want anyone in the team lost. I'm even bummed that Alec Baldwin is gone after only two appearances.
I actually re-watched Ghost Protocol recently and something just felt...off. I remember absolutely loving every second of it in the theater and still loved it the couple times I saw it on Blu-Ray, but after a few years (and McQuarrie's two films), it just didn't feel the same. The film is utterly ridiculous and cartoony, which I acknowledge is probably intended as part of the fun, but for whatever reason it just didn't work with me anymore. Maybe I was just in a bad mood. And apart from the Burj Khalifa set-piece, there's no standout sequence to point to, unlike both Rogue Nation and Fallout, which have numerous impressively put-together action segments. Ghost Protocol is fine, and still a fun action movie, but is far behind its two successors.
My ranking would be the exact same.
Now I bet Paramount are eager to hurry another MI film into development for 2021!
I agree that RN is probably still the best. That film just grows on me with every viewing. When I first saw it in 2015 I didn't think it was as good as GP, but over time I've grown to like it more. I still think very highly of GP though. It has some great moments in it: Hunt escaping from the Moscow hospital, Burj, the sandstorm chase and of course the fantastic finale in the parking garage. That final fight is just so reminiscent of the best of Bond from the past for me. I learned so much about the world from early Bond films and I learned about those sort of parking garages in this film, as well as the fact that Dubai has crazy sandstorms!
My ranking would be similar but I put MI2 above MI3. The soapiness is very difficult for me to endure.
Rogue Nation 9/10
Fallout 9/10
M:I -3 7/10
Ghost Protocol 7/10
M:I 7/10
M:I- 2 4/10
So i think 770M Total is possible, another 20 Mio. from Domestic, another 20 from OS withouth China, and 100 Mio. from China
Chinese Audience like M:I
Douban ratings for MI6 and some similar and recent movies.
MI4 - 8.2
MI6 - 8.1
MI5 - 7.7
Skyfall - 7.0
JW2 - 6.8
Spectre - 6.2
The Meg - 6.0
The Mummy - 4.7
On other Chinese Rating-Sites Fallout is over 9.0!
Quite so. The 3 day total gross for Fallout is very close to SP's entire China gross. The flip is true in the UK, where Bond predictably trounces MI.
Dear me! These are rated that high over there?! I guess we'll be getting sequels to both then, regrettably!
Good to see the love.