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Yep and it was what made the film, Spielberg had to work around it and it's what contributes to making it the blockbuster masterpiece it is.
Little biased as it's my all time favourite film.
Anyway I digress, Bond 25 anyone?
That's not a bad company big box office earners
That's very reassuring to know thanks for the info @Denbigh
Jaws film production woes:
Casting difficulties.
Started filming without a finished screenplay. (John Milius not so famously contributed valuable dialog late in the schedule, including the compelling WWII shark tale.)
The shark was problematic.
Personality conflicts between Shaw and Dreyfuss.
Over schedule.
Over budget.
I blame Spielberg. Plus to keep this on topic, the Robert Shaw connection and film karma may further bleed problems into BOND 25 at this point.
That link leads to a video clip for me. Clicking the GIF-button below the video (and copying the image URL) gives me this however :-)
Just shows that working around a certain framework (even though this was a very particular example) doesn't mean the end result always end up a bad one. If the structure for B25 is well in place (and sequences planned), we might not be looking at an extensive rewrite.
Precisely. @Denbigh this isn’t the first time you’ve been fact checked. Sometimes I feel like Politico.
Haggis did a three week rewrite. He was bought on mostly to focus on Bond and Vesper’s characters.
I assume that is what Burns is doing. He’s rewriting character arcs and dialogue. All the locations and set-pieces have been decided.
A script is averagely 120 pages long. That’s not that long. I’m pretty certain he has time.
You’re reported a bunch of stuff after the fact and said “yep, that’s what I’ve heard”. But only after word has already gotten out. I mean anyone can do that.
Like I said, 0%.
Fyi, it was Frosty on Twitter he got the genuine scoop of the filming delay. So scavengeing has its advantages. Listening to you brings false hope and misinformation
Burns being hired means a solid effort at quality and a better vision of what EON, Craig, and Cary have already decided. Burns knew about this awhile ago, so surely he has been already in discussion about the direction of the story and what is needed now.
It's not like us, you know - we are finding this out today. We were not just given this writing job today. This is somebody who has been in talks with EON for more than a month, according to the article.
Thanks here you go everyone https://y.yarn.co/4ca2c2f3-1edf-4713-8920-07bc11c05b50_text_hi.gif
@Torgeirtrap I failed again you mind helping practice through message?
I mean fair play, but I was just going by what I read here: http://commanderbond.net/2905/paul-haggis-to-rewrite-casino-royale.html I appreciate the fact-check but i really don’t need the smart-arse comments.
I'm hoping that overhaul was a term the writer tossed about (in the article) willy-nilly. I really do. It's clear he has a very good insider, though.
If this is just a polish, then this isn't even news, since polishes and re-writes are on-going until, as I've said before, into the editing of a film. I am sincerely hoping that this article was flexing muscles. The word overhaul is what scared the shit out of me."
So, I will return to the same person(s) who spoke to me about what happened to Boyle (and Panchito, as I said all along (and published on these threads (even though some have very short memories-- 0% indeed), Boyle wanted to "overhaul" the James Bond character to a point no one would have recognized him (plus, little, to no action which no one was fond of (including Universal))-- read into that as you will); who told me about Cadiz and Jamaica and Second Unit rehearsals (now verified by online pics). I will ask, and hope to hear that this is a polish. And a polish only (which is no-news, made into news, lol).
I will keep an eye on the EoN production page (not Collider), which stated minutes after the official news, that B25 was now an April 8 release (UK and North America, so far (the other territories are only stating release dates in April 2020)), but, as of this writing, still have not moved the March 2019 principal date.
And I agree with the sentiment that a full rewrite in four weeks is unlikely, especially if they’re having to please Babs and Craig.
It doesn't at all mean a bad movie, but again what gives me trepidation is the indecision of Broccoli, Wilson etc. The article very clearly states they have not been satisfied or been on the same page on the scripts so far. The Purvis and Wade one, the Boyle/Hodge idea, the Paul Haggis rewrite, etc. We are assuming that they've finally decided and agreed on a vision for the film that Mr. Burns (hehe) is gonna lay the groundwork for, I just hope they aren't unsatisfied with the outcome anymore and just have him write whatever it is they want.
Anyways, this is one other thing that I wrote to someone that sums up my perspective at this point:
"the only thing not working in this article is this: overhaul (which means a page one re-write), and the time line (4 weeks).
How is any writer expected to overhaul an entire story in 4 weeks, whilst rehearsals are ongoing and locations are being locked one by one (and, as @ColonelSun stated, continue to get locked down during production)?"
Something is amiss with the logic of the assignment (overhaul/pg one-- which, on other films would shelve it indefinitely), and time frame (4 weeks).
Someone asked why I "recanted"-- which I recant nothing of what I said since this is the information I was privy to (and I still stand behind why Boyle was canned, and make no mistake, he was fired; Cadiz, Jamaica, second unit/stunt rehearsals; so I won't "recant" info given to me ("recant"? obviously one has an inflated opinion of oneself); I was hit sideways by the overhaul comment, and I intend to investigate this.
Have a great weekend to all those without hyena DNA, lol!
Unless they mean a fake death a la YOLT (the novel), or SF (the pts), but somehow I doubt it.
We can definitely rejoice that it's gone.
My reply to another nice-guy:
"IMDbPro still says March 2019 (is the shooting date).
Lets assume this article was flexing its muscles and this isn't an overhaul, but Burns is doing a 4 week polish (a 4 week polish makes more sense that a 4 week overhaul).
Let's assume he was hired a few weeks ago (we know EoN was after him but he was busy at Sundance-- which ended Feb 3, 2019).
Burns was now clear, his schedule open.
Say he agreed to the Bond gig within 7 days of Sundance ending (I can't believe they would have given him much more time, since they are under the gun and need a polisher (plus, did anyone read the article about Don Cheadle having to agree to the MCU films within one hour??? Yes, these weird things do happen), that means he agrees and starts polishing B25 on Feb 10, or, 12, 15th... for 4 weeks...
That means they could, conceivably, start shooting in mid-March.
BUT, there are script notes on the polish-- two more weeks.
So I see Bond 25 shooting at the end of March or beginning of April now.
Bit it is conceivable to start in March, depending on when he started his assignment.
The job of a script doctor is about taking an existing script, and delivering a supposedly improved version of the script within days or weeks. A script doctor isn't someone who restarts a script from scratch keeping one or two successful ideas from older drafts, it's someone who intervenes late in the production cycle, when the sets are starting to get built and the casting is more or less done, to clarify the story and the structure or to polish the dialogue, and sometimes both.
If it works, the guy can deliver part of his rewrites early on, if they have a tight schedule. It happens a lot in movie making. Robert Towne (Chinatown, Shampoo, and, actually the first two M:I scripts) has issues finishing his own scripts in time but made a huge living in the seventies and eighties polishing scripts written by other people, like The Godfather. He wrote the final scene between Don Vito and Michael, if I remember well. And script doctors are paid to be fast. TV showrunners often handle this duty. People like Gene Roddenberry were notorious for taking an existing draft for an episode and delivering a completely revised version over a single night, with the help of a bottle of whisky and a reliable typewriter.
Why are they hiring Burns? Because they can afford to, because he was available (like his fellow script doctors Paul Haggis or John Logan, EON had courted him repeatedly, apparently), and because the delay in the release date allows the production company to add a few rewrites and postpone a little bit the start of production.
A few people here suspect that what's happened is as following:
Barbara Broccoli (crying on the phone) – Please, Mr. Universal... Our script is a mess, even worse than the one for Spectre, Fukunaga tried a few times to escape the production. The last time, he dressed as a fake crocodile from Octopussy to cross the Thames discreetly. Please, please, please... Delay the release date. We won't make it for February...
Then, some other people describe the phone call like that:
Babs (giddy on the phone) – So, what's up, Uni? Going strong? Hey, we're ready for March 4, big time. The script is good, the preproduction's going well, everything is basically perfect.
Universal executive (in tears) – Sorry, Ms. Broccoli, we have an issue on our side and we're definitely not up to your standards. We have just lost Fast and Furious 9 for our big April 20 slot. Could it be possible for you to to allow Bond 25 to be delayed by two months, so it can get this very valuable slot? We're so sorry to ask you that...
Babs – Sure, why not? Hey, we'll ask Scott Z. Burns to rewrite the script, because, why not?
While the truth went most likely like that, something like two or three weeks ago.
Universal or MGM executive (terse on the phone) – ...Yeah, Fast 9 has just dropped from the April 20 slot. But they still haven't made a public announcement. I know that you don't have a totally satisfying script and that you could use the extra time. Let's move Bond to that slot.
Babs (also terse) – Yeah, that would greatly help us. We still have a few issues to handle, this time we may actually be able to get Burns to do some script doctoring. Yeah, that may work. We'll have to adjust the production schedule, but that will a breath of fresh air for everybody involved.
Thank God what the stupidest idea ever
If this is right then it must be the third act again that needs fixing
"A script nobody is happy with." is truly concerning. But stunts are still being done.
I reckon they are keeping the fight scenes, but modifying the story (what Peter said).
It’s from the article that announced Burns’ involvement
Oh, and I enjoyed your insight, observations, and comments.
Yeah your really good we need you on here with your thoughts more often @hildebrand_rarity