No Time To Die: Production Diary

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  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
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    I'd have no problem with Arnold back at all, CR and especially QOS are for me his best work with the series.

    Having him collaborate with Cornell on YKMN, a title track that seems to get better the more I hear it, definitely the best since VTAK.

    It's a shame we are likely to never see this scenario again as using the flavour of the moment means they'll no doubt work with their collaborators rather than the composer of the score.

    Having DA and CC work together then Arnold weaving that theme into the score was one of the things that makes CR my no. 2, although I think QOS was for me his best all round score.

    CR's score has a few bum notes like those pastiche horns in the sky plane sequence and at times just sounding like pounding percussion, whereas QOS from the get go is a cracking score.

    I'd love if they gave both it and CR a vinyl release one day.

    Though I trust CF to pick the right collaborator and to use the score constructively.

    A composer not afraid to use the Bond theme at the right time and not just stamp their selves on the film, yes they should bring their feel to the table but be mindful of the tradition.

    I'm not sure you can shake up the music and present something so radically new that will work, I think with Bond more than most films series you need to acknowledge certain things when providing the music.

    Newman for my money diverted too far away from that, there are moments in the SF score I like, although recycling the Moors cue in SP which is likely Mendes doing rather than TN was just lazy.

    To me though the approach they took with SP is more than good enough reason to why these 2 should never be put together again on a Bond film again.

    Regardless of there being music Sam didn't use of TN's I just don't share the enthusiasm for his contribution that some seem to. Yes he's part of a rich legacy of musicians and has all round more impressive CV than Arnold but for my money he just didn't get the remit.

    Composing Bond scores I think is a tough gig, following one of the all time greatest composers of our time, who not only defined the sound of the films from the get go but also practically created a genre of music in its own right. A sound that's DNA has permeated through music full stop.

    I'm just incredibly excited for what is coming our way and I know others have said it as well as myself but the fact we are still in the dark over much of this, is one of the best aspects of this whole journey we have just begun.
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    I like a fair few tracks of Newman’s Bond, but I can look at Skyfall’s tracklist and see “She’s Mine” and I won’t know which one it is until I start playing it.

    Newman goes for a lot of background stuff so as not to overpower the visuals. However sometimes John Barry just went balls out on a scene of Bond just walking around with something like “James Bond With Bongos”, and this was both fitting and cool.
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    Well, I'm now back online and slowly looking over the release. Some pros and cons from me at the moment:

    Pro:
    -Bond is back! Or will be eventually, anyway!
    -Solid cast, largely, and Fukunaga again seems to mean business.
    -This was a fresh take on doing the press conference thing, for EON, and I think it's a good one. Beautiful, meaningful location and a laid-back vibe rather than a long table full of microphones and name cards on a sound stage. It was't perfect but it's nice to see them trying 25 films in.
    -I'm positively delighted to see Felix back; Wright is my favorite in that role and I hope he's given something interesting to do.

    Con:
    -I'm indifferent to Ana de Armas, though I know she has her fans. She's certainly attractive, just in a way that to me feels generic. We'll see.
    -I'm similarly ambiguous about Lashana Lynch. I thought she was fine in Captain Marvel, but I don't know her from anything else. At the moment I get a Rosie Carter vibe from her and, in my books, that's not a great thing.
    -Craig, my favourite Bond, seems as ever a bit subdued here. I don't think we have any reason to doubt that he'll bring total commitment to the role, but maybe he should start being shielded from the press more. Or go to charm school? I keep saying I need everyone involved to be giving off more excitement!
    -From the start I've said that EON should steer clear of (or use sparingly) tech-related plots. Surveillance, hacking, etc - it's all timely but not at all visceral, and it's hard to make it compelling to stare at a screen of code or a progress bar. It's still not clear to me exactly what Blofeld's data operation did in SP, nor how Silva 'toppled governments' or 'crashed stocks' with his computer in SF.

    TBD:
    -That no title is released yet could mean that either the title would be too spoiler-y at this point (like, say, Spectre), or that they simply don't have one yet, which would be a bit of a concern.
    -5 credited screenwriters and counting is potentially an ominous sign, but the proof as ever will be in the pudding.
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
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    I think we need to wait till the next Bond and how they handle the press.

    DC is the first bona fide internet Bond and all this we need someone more charming as an ambassador for the series really winds me up.

    I said it before, everyone's favourite be it Poldark, Superman or whoever doesn't know half of it until they are in the hot seat.

    Yes being Bond is a privilege but also having the spotlight on you like DC has more intensive than any other Bond in history so far can't be easy.

    I think even jovial brand ambassador the dear departed Sir Roger Moore would have struggled under the magnifying glass of the world wide web.

    Also, the press have been out for DC since the get go, this recent tabloid bollocks that the likes of @fanbond123 seems to delight in showing us, are you a psychologist?

    The press it baying for blood on DC and keep bringing up that wrist slashing incident like in that article, like that one some years ago about DC wearing gloves on SF to wind up Mendes.

    I'm afraid the picture I get of DC is very different from this muck raking perception. @peter and others have said he's nothing but respected in the profession and cod psychology from fan boys is just that.

  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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    The fact that the press release was a live event also has a bearing on this. A press conference is controlled, a live event is not.
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    It should just be a requirement of the composer and title song artist that they work together. At the very least the composer should have it in their contract that they work the title theme into the score.

    Whatever you think of Sam Smith's song and rendition of it, the melody itself was very filmic - the one tiny snippet we get in SP works brilliantly. . Had Newman not been such a spoilt brat about it and endorsed it as a main them the entire film would have been taken up several notches.
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    I don't have a problem with Bond bedding women as long as its consensual.

    But I also don't have a problem with fleshing out female characters and to have them exist outside of bedding Bond or being as capable physically as Bond. Bond girls are part of what attracts me to the franchise IMHO, so I see no wrong in that.

    You can also turn the concept on its head like they did in the 60's (no less!!) with Fiona Volpe using her sexuality as a weapon just like Bond.

    The sacrificial lamb trope has gotten kind of old, though.

    What @FrankXavier said.
  • Is it known at this point if elements of the Hodge treatment is still in use ?
  • RC7RC7
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    Getafix wrote: »
    It should just be a requirement of the composer and title song artist that they work together. At the very least the composer should have it in their contract that they work the title theme into the score.

    Whatever you think of Sam Smith's song and rendition of it, the melody itself was very filmic - the one tiny snippet we get in SP works brilliantly. . Had Newman not been such a spoilt brat about it and endorsed it as a main them the entire film would have been taken up several notches.

    Right. The melody was far more interesting than anything Newman cooked up for that film.
  • edited April 2019 Posts: 11,425
    DC came over better in some of the other recorded interviews. But let's face it he's not Mr charisma in an interview. He ums and ahs a lot and really struggles to convey energy and enthusiasm. He's probably rather private and introverted.

    Is he really the most scrutinised and under pressure. Try telling Connery that during the filming of YOLT in Japan. Literally hounded everywhere he went.

    It would be nice instead of always saying Craig totally invented the flawed and vulnerable screen bond that they acknowledged Laz and Dalts once in a while.

  • JamesCraigJamesCraig Ancient Rome
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    patb wrote: »
    With SF, he was depressed/angry/negative. He went into a dark place and did not take care of himself. Different scenario here. He should be in a good place. He quit on his own terms. Reminds me of the situation at the start of The Bourne Supremacy where Bourne is with the woman he loves with no threats/danger and we see him running on the beach (showing his mind is in a good place).

    I think they will go out of their way to show how happy/settled Bond is in order to maximise the drama in terms of what he is about to get himself into and how high the stakes are.

    Re Madeleine, does Bond do "breaking up", its all a bit domestic isn't it? We are used to the Bond girls just disappearing at the end of one film and we have a clean slate for the next movie. One of the issues with having a plot continuation is how Bond deals with long term relationships (how Bond would hate that word). Having a row whilst doing the washing up is very much not Bond. "if thats how you feel, I'm packing my bags" "see if I care"

    What next? an apt with Relate?

    This is not Bond. Bond girls just disappear or get killed. Madeleine is a big issue for me. She bugs me.


    So, thou hast read de scripture.

  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
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    Getafix wrote: »
    DC came over better in some of the other recorded interviews. But let's face it he's not Mr charisma in an interview. He ums and ahs a lot and really struggles to convey energy and enthusiasm. He's probably rather private and introverted.

    Is he really the most scrutinised and under pressure. Try telling Connery that during the filming of YOLT in Japan. Literally hounded everywhere he went.

    It would be nice instead of always saying Craig totally invented the flawed and vulnerable screen bond that they acknowledged Laz and Dalts once in a while.

    I think that was the zenith of his issues, I would argue Craig has had to put up with hassle from the get go.

    Connery certainly didn't have his performance criticized or had his interpretation assassinated before it hit the screen.

    If Connery would have had to deal with what DC got from the moment he was announced, think he'd have thrown in the towel much sooner than he did.

  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
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    Sorry I'm late to the party (of all times to work overtime)

    First of all Ana De Armas is my dream casting in Bond, not only is she stunning and exciting but she is a hell of an actor. Hopefully she is given a great role
    The next thing for me was Jeffrey Wright, the only thing I cared about was Felix coming back and we're getting that, I couldn't be more excited. Jeffrey is my favourite Felix, he is an absolute scene stealer in Casino.
    It was a shame about the title not being released, but we got so much information I'm not too bent out of shape. It's something else to look forward to.
    The press conference wasn't all that good (Daniel in converse and a suit is still giving me nightmares, other than that he looked sharp) but the other interviews were decent.

    I'm not sure how I feel about the small part Barbara revealed about Bond being out the service. I'm a tad scared about someone else having the 007 code number but the fact that Felix comes to ask for his help is cool

    Overall I can't wait for this movie and this has got me really excited for it.
    It's real and actually happening, Finally Here We Are...
  • edited April 2019 Posts: 6,710
    Just wanted to say that I've been in DC's shoes (interviews wise) a couple of times, well, maybe more than a couple in the last decade, and I've long had the feeling that there are two kinds of artists in this world. The one that lives his art for this, for the pressers, for the attention. And the one who truly appreciates his craft and knows that a stage or a recorded moment is not the same thing as a live feed. There are the buffoons who love the sound of their own voice, and then there are the craftsmen. Sometimes, but rarely, there's someone who can be both. I only appreciate two of the three, as I can't stand a one trick pony buffoon who clearly enjoys the sound of his voice and the lure and glamour of the red carpets that the hypnotised mediocre masses have to offer.

    I'm glad Daniel Craig is the way he is. More respect to him. You go, Blondie!

    That being said, I won't forgive him those converse. Damn, that's too state side for my liking. I'm more partial to the sockless loafers Fukunaga had going on. More european, that's for sure, still, more to my liking.
  • craig2019craig2019 Jamaica
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    Just found this on Instagram...

  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
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    QuantumArt wrote: »
    Is it known at this point if elements of the Hodge treatment is still in use ?

    Judging by the fact there is no mention in the offiicial writers of the script of Hodge, I'd say no or if there was it was so small they could get away with not mentioning him.

    There was a lot of ambiguity over whether Hodge and Boyle came in with a new idea entire or they built on what P&W had already written.

    There was a suggestion that they incorporated their golden idea into the existing script that P&W had already presented to EON.

    I guess we'll find out one day, I feel more confident that both of them aren't part of this as there contribution didn't work with EON, they went into production with a troubled treatment last time.

    I prefer they take their sweet time about it rather than taking an idea before the cameras that was rushed.



  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    I think people have skipped over something crutial. Eon's response to whether it'll be Craig's last ("we don't want him to go but that's what he's saying") indicates to me that
    They will not be killing Bond off.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    jake24 wrote: »
    I think people have skipped over something crutial. Eon's response to whether it'll be Craig's last ("we don't want him to go but that's what he's saying") indicates to me that
    They will not be killing Bond off.

    Right.

    As for Leiter s return, I don t care one way or the other, same as with Tanner. But this does make Wright historical, with a record of three appearances.
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    jake24 wrote: »
    I think people have skipped over something crutial. Eon's response to whether it'll be Craig's last ("we don't want him to go but that's what he's saying") indicates to me that
    They will not be killing Bond off.

    It was never going to happen anyway, in my opinion. Did we ever seriously think it would?
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    jake24 wrote: »
    I think people have skipped over something crutial. Eon's response to whether it'll be Craig's last ("we don't want him to go but that's what he's saying") indicates to me that
    They will not be killing Bond off.

    Indeed. And that's a good thing, because I wouldn't bother going to the cinema to watch the film if that happened.
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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    jake24 wrote: »
    I think people have skipped over something crutial. Eon's response to whether it'll be Craig's last ("we don't want him to go but that's what he's saying") indicates to me that
    They will not be killing Bond off.

    Right.

    As for Leiter s return, I don t care one way or the other, same as with Tanner. But this does make Wright historical, with a record of three appearances.

    By the same actor, within the same actors timeline. Really happy to see Wright return. One of the highlights of the press release.
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    Yes, good reasoning there. Well done. Hadn't thought about it. Probably because I had it stored in the deepest unconscious ;)
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    Zekidk wrote: »
    Every composer have followed the template. I don't want horns, brass and strings replaced with fx rock music, just for the sake of "trying something new."

    Hey Eric Serra score was not that bad lol
  • JamesCraigJamesCraig Ancient Rome
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    Shardlake wrote: »
    Getafix wrote: »
    DC came over better in some of the other recorded interviews. But let's face it he's not Mr charisma in an interview. He ums and ahs a lot and really struggles to convey energy and enthusiasm. He's probably rather private and introverted.

    Is he really the most scrutinised and under pressure. Try telling Connery that during the filming of YOLT in Japan. Literally hounded everywhere he went.

    It would be nice instead of always saying Craig totally invented the flawed and vulnerable screen bond that they acknowledged Laz and Dalts once in a while.

    I think that was the zenith of his issues, I would argue Craig has had to put up with hassle from the get go.

    Connery certainly didn't have his performance criticized or had his interpretation assassinated before it hit the screen.

    If Connery would have had to deal with what DC got from the moment he was announced, think he'd have thrown in the towel much sooner than he did.

    Christ, some of us a really going far in their "DIS WILL NOT BE WUT I WANT" panic.
  • ResurrectionResurrection Kolkata, India
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    Benny wrote: »
    jake24 wrote: »
    I think people have skipped over something crutial. Eon's response to whether it'll be Craig's last ("we don't want him to go but that's what he's saying") indicates to me that
    They will not be killing Bond off.

    Right.

    As for Leiter s return, I don t care one way or the other, same as with Tanner. But this does make Wright historical, with a record of three appearances.

    By the same actor, within the same actors timeline. Really happy to see Wright return. One of the highlights of the press release.

    Wright is the only one currently who have been with Craig from the beginning so yes it's good to have him back. When I thought about it everyone who is returning except Swann and tanner has done 2 films with Craig . Felix(CR & QOS)/ M,MP,Q(SF & SP), only Tanner has worked in 3 films continuously and Lea 2.
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
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    “He’s enjoying himself in Jamaica,” said Broccoli, who added that the production has built an “extraordinary” house for the famous agent and his license to kill. The official log-line states that “[Bond’s] peace is short-lived when his old friend Felix Leiter from the CIA turns up asking for help. The mission to rescue a kidnapped scientist turns out to be far more treacherous than expected, leading Bond onto the trail of a mysterious villain armed with dangerous new technology.”

    To me this sounds like the professor/ Scientist reference may come from or is inspired by TSWLM the novel? When Bond protects a Professor Boris from SPECTRE.
  • JamesCraigJamesCraig Ancient Rome
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    suavejmf wrote: »
    “He’s enjoying himself in Jamaica,” said Broccoli, who added that the production has built an “extraordinary” house for the famous agent and his license to kill. The official log-line states that “[Bond’s] peace is short-lived when his old friend Felix Leiter from the CIA turns up asking for help. The mission to rescue a kidnapped scientist turns out to be far more treacherous than expected, leading Bond onto the trail of a mysterious villain armed with dangerous new technology.”

    To me this sounds like the professor/ Scientist reference may come from or is inspired by TSWLM the novel? When Bond protects a Professor Boris from SPECTRE.

    Could be. And which is why I don't understand all this complaining and moaning about the way Craig gives interviews and etc.

    What more do people want?
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    Can't wait to see Bond enjoying the good life in Jamaica. Do you think he'll be playing some baccarat or poker? When was the last time we saw Bond having fun in his time off? Anyone?
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    Univex wrote: »
    Can't wait to see Bond enjoying the good life in Jamaica. Do you think he'll be playing some baccarat or poker? When was the last time we saw Bond having fun in his time off? Anyone?

    DAD?
  • edited April 2019 Posts: 6,710
    Univex wrote: »
    Can't wait to see Bond enjoying the good life in Jamaica. Do you think he'll be playing some baccarat or poker? When was the last time we saw Bond having fun in his time off? Anyone?

    DAD?

    Damn, that scared me ;) For all the wrong reasons. Although to be fair, if DUD has something good its those scenes in Cuba.

    But wait, wasn't he on some mission, even if not sanctioned? I'm talking about time off from duty and personal vendettas. Like Lazenby in the casino. Connery in Miami. Can't really think of any other example. Pure fun in his own time without hidden agendas.
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