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I'm slippin' on the dock of the bay
Watchin' the tide, roll away
I'm slippin' on the dock of the bay
Wastin' time…
Tanner did warn him it would be slippery. ;)
Again, who are you?
Trifle :D
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We're all here as fans to offer what is our personal opinion based on the franchise and therefore stories associated with it - whether fact or fiction - that are being reported out there. This is not a Sunday tea party. It's a forum. It doesn't matter who any of us are, to try and make an arguement about someone's identity on an anonymous forum is a weaker comeback than Jinx's "Yo mama" line.
As for the general attitude of "well if you don't like what some of us are saying why do you keep coming back"... Again that's because everyone is allowed an opinion. I personally may not have liked a lot of the toxicity that has previously existed here both as a member and not, but it doesn't mean that I don't respect that everyone has a right to an opinion or value what others are trying to say. I'm sure the same principle is adopted by many on here. This is a fan forum for James bond, we're all James bond fans. That is why we are here and therefore that forms part of who we are. And on here, that's the only part that matters.
Always have an escape plan.
That's all very good and dandy, this all "everyone has the right to an opinion" albeit being savvy or not on the matter, and everything has the same value blah blah, but as soon as you consider that socio and psychopathological stances like racism, xenophobia, bigotry, fundamentalism, ..., are "opinions" or taken higher than opinions, you loose your point entirely. It's not as if the forums task to prevent badly drawn or unsanitary opinions, no, it's up to the sane majority or the more informed fans to make them go away by their own foot. Not every opinion is valid, sir. Everything doesn't hold the same value. That rhetoric was profusely used, for example, by the British government in the years that lead to the second world war, and it allowed for a fungus known as the National Social Party to grow inside Germany, a fungus that would soon consume it and then the rest of us, if some more informed, capable and better oriented people hadn't stepped in, and against the grain put an island and then the world against it.
This is the wrong thread for all of this, and has been since day one. I do not advocate moderator action on expelling members and censorship. It's up to better oriented fan majorities to do so. Uniting against prejudice, bigotry, paranoia, cheapness of thought, ... If all we do is nothing, we get 2510 pages of trite, with 500, if so, pages of stuff for the books.
And why shouldn't we take a stance against the tabloids? And why shouldn't we make that news? "Fans are appalled of wrong and damaging tabloid action against film", "Fans stand by the production and the producers",... Now that's something I'd like to see. We could very well have a petition, write a bloody article and send it to Variety. I'm sure that would get good printing, or clicking or whatever.
Just saying. Now, do carry on.
All very well said my dear man but I'm afraid you may have, in your rather well written response, missed the point I was originally trying to make. The partial quote was taken from my wider post whereby I was attempting to encourage the "doomsayers" (for want of a better word) on this forum to not instantly dismiss the opinions of those trying to speak sense - the wider idea is that everyone should listen to what another person has to say, as if you don't, how can you be expected to be listened to, learn or express yourself? How can you come to understand why someone has come to such a negative viewpoint?
I find it has been a wider part of my narrative since joining the forum: to combat the negativity, the falsehoods, the sexism and whatever else. Indeed as I said similarly in another topic today - there are people who - in light of increasingly shoddy journalism - are determined to prove that two plus two equals five and decree this film is ruined. I'm not one of those people. I'm on a james bond forum because I am happy to see the production of another james bond film. Simple. If others are unhappy about the franchise, then I'll observe their opinions and offer my either simialir or alternative view. Thus is discussion.
My posts are contextualised in the light of this forum, not general life. Ergo, The suggestion that in believing someone has the right to express a negative opinion on a bond film - which can then be alternatively picked apart by someone with an alternative view - somehow encourages the rise of fascism in nazi Germany is rather tedious in consideration of this forum but a valid point in the wider concept of the world well made and taken on board.
You make a fair point about taking a stance against the tabloids. But positivity doesn't sell. For every "stand by the producer" quote they printed they'd - for the sake of balance - print a negative one. Because opinion comes from two avenues. Whereas fact is only one, rather neglected, road. The fact is there is only one way these stories and negativities are going to be counteracted - by a good film - and that, in certain, shall be the end result.
I keed, I keed :)
;;)
We shall toast then.
How old are you ? like 12
Here's hoping you get out of your little bubble sooner rather than later, Ive been on these forums for a good 9 years, Univex, Shardlake, RC7 GetaFix, Risico007 are all familiar to me. Your name I cannot recall.
De funniez.
I have that bar of soap signed by the two actors.
Your bio says you have been here for 2 years?
Either way, hopefully long enough to form your own opinions and relationships, and not rely on Reddit to assess the good folk here. I do hope that was said with tongue firmly in cheek.
Would be cool to get the 'Meet the Cast' and 'Meet the Filmmaker' segments for Bond 25 on the main site.
I was just flicking through the coverage for both SF and SP on the main features and they were a little more comprehensive.
The main features are a great source in the interests of posterity once the film's have come out.
:-? Why is it, then, that I'm not so sure?
Wasn't arguing against you and I would find it hard to do it now. Agreed on all accounts, @HalfOfEverything. Sorry if I used your rather well written post to expand on the subject in a critical way. It was meant to be directed to the topic itself, not your comments on it. Cheers.
I publish once in a while, and I'd disagree. I don't think the problem is 'positivity', per se, but newsworthiness. This is a "dog bites man" vs. "man bites dog" situation.
"Bond fans support Bond Movie on Bond Website" is not news, and it wouldn't be published by an editor who had a regular slate on his hands. Perhaps there's a fresh angle to be taken on this, or someone could use this as a starting point for a thoughtful essay on tabloid culture or something. But on the surface of it . . . there's nothing there.
Well, to be fair, the stance fans took about the latest instalments and direction of the SW films were very publicised, ad nauseam, really. I don't quite agree there's nothing there. And I wouldn't refer it as a "bond site" as I've seen our reactions mirrored on all "bond sites". Why shouldn't we be vocal? And why wouldn't' that be of interest? To suggest the press is askew on this particular matter? It would serve as meta press, and it would surely get some clicks. I've worked on the area for seven years before I quit, ages ago, and this sort of new was ideal, specially if everyone else was doing the exact opposite. I've see it work countless times.
Daniel Craig has contracted cholera while attempting to drive a stick shift!!
Naomie Harris caught crying after a spat with director Fukunaga!!
Ana De Armas is armed with a deadly machine gun and seen yelling uncontrollably. More to follow!!!
Jeffrey Wright is drunk again in the bar. Rumor has it it’s Craig’s fault!!
It was raining all day here in Jamaica. This can’t be good!!!
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And a number of crew kept slipping on banana peels. =))
What is this? Mario Kart?