Who should/could be a Bond actor?

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  • edited March 19 Posts: 4,811

    Is there anything in particular that you like about him @007HallY? I personally can't see it from what I've seen of him.

    Very broadly, he’s got a good voice and he’s a good looking guy. He’s young but comes under the right age in terms of staying in the role for a while and being able fulfil all the physical requirements. I think he’s a very good actor too so could bring something substantial to the role.

    Specifically though, from what I’ve seen of him in interviews and certain film roles he has a confidence to him. I can see him skirting that line between charismatic and arrogant that Bond has to without going into being unlikeable.
  • zebrafishzebrafish <°)))< in Octopussy's garden in the shade
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    Just noticed in the fashion film that Callum Turner is left-handed. It would be something getting used to: Bond shooting with the left!
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    He is a bit average in my opinion. He needs a nose job.
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    Well, he seems to be doing fine without one for the moment, haha. I can’t see any major downsides to him as a potential. It depends obviously on auditions and if he wants to do it, but I’d be happy with him if he was chosen. In fact I’d be quite interested.
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    It's funny because I think Elordi has a nerdy face. He is not Bond material.

    He's stunning! The kind of guy every girl wants and all men want to be. His performance in The Narrow Road to the Deep North is being praised across the board. The trailer looks beautiful. Also, both Olivia DeJonge and Odessa Young would make great Bond girls



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  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    He's stunning! ................. and all men want to be.

    No, I don't want to be him and I absolutely don't want him to be Bond.

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    Throwing a name a bit at random: Aaron Jakubenko. Watching the Roman Empire series on Netflix, which isn't great, but fun all the same. Often inaccurate docudrama. He played Commodus. Australia, good face, virtually unknown, right age. Maybe too Brosnan-like? And not British.

    https://m.imdb.com/name/nm3472898/
  • DaltonforyouDaltonforyou The Daltonator
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    I'll add Suter and Hughes to my shortlist which includes Cavill, Heughan and Dornan.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
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    talos7 wrote: »

    No, I don't want to be him and I absolutely don't want him to be Bond.

    Better make two. I didn't think I could see a more unsuitable choice than Timothee Ski Chalet. Never mine beta, I don't even think they'd qualify as zeta male.
  • Callum Turner is just a bit odd looking.
  • DaltonforyouDaltonforyou The Daltonator
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    Exactly, Tired of these suggestions that if we bring in an ugly actor we're somehow going to get more interesting films.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    Exactly, Tired of these suggestions that if we bring in an ugly actor we're somehow going to get more interesting films.

    I agree in the sense that some have a school of thought that a traditionally handsome actor is automatically a lessor one and that only one who is offbeat or non-traditional, can have the gravitas for the role.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Are looks the number one priority for folks?
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    Is that a big mentality on these forums though? If anything I think the opposite's far more prevalent here. I haven't seen anyone claim we need a 'non-traditional' Bond. Maybe some people like actors who perhaps fall into that category for whatever reason, but I've never gotten the sense it's to break any sort of mould. It's simply about seeing Bondian potential in those actors, insofar as we can only speculate about that. I have, however, read plenty claim that a 'traditional' or 'classic' looking actor is inherently needed after Craig (occasionally I've even read people here admitting that, say, someone like ATJ or Cavill aren't the best or most charismatic actors in the world, but they look 'classically Bondian' and that's kinda enough, which I don't agree with).

    Anyway, there's an element of subjectivity in this too - some of us simply won't see certain actors as handsome, even if they may well be considered so to a broader audience. At that point who's 'traditional' and 'non-traditional' in Bond terms is muddied anyway. That's not even getting into things like noses, ears, and jawlines!
  • George_KaplanGeorge_Kaplan Being chauffeured by Tibbett
    edited March 20 Posts: 731
    talos7 wrote: »

    I agree in the sense that some have a school of thought that a traditionally handsome actor is automatically a lessor one and that only one who is offbeat or non-traditional, can have the gravitas for the role.

    I sympathise with this, to a point. When it comes to casting Bond, I'm often in two minds. One part of me wants to look beyond the obvious. Look at actors who might not fit my idea of who James Bond is; studying their performances, analysing everything from their speaking cadence, to their facial expressions, their physical movements, looking for even a hint of something Bondian.

    But then another part of me wants to ignore all that and just admit that someone like Aidan Turner or Theo James is the obvious choice; Jack O' Connell? The bloke's a shrimp with rotten teeth. Callum Turner? He's got an awesome name, but his nose and ears are too big and his accent's too strong. Just find a good-looking guy whose charming, masculine, and humorous, and we're good to go. Casting James Bond shouldn't be that complicated!

    But ultimately, looks are only one part of it, and arguably not a very important part. Sure, you need an actor who looks handsome enough to believably seduce a woman like Monica Bellucci, and tough enough that he could hold his own in a fight with David Bautista, but you also need someone who can convey charisma, gravitas, wit, and all those Bondian characteristics that come from within. And it's possible that the actor who conveys those qualities the best, doesn't conform to our idea of what James Bond looks like.
  • edited March 20 Posts: 4,811

    I sympathise with this, to a point. When it comes to casting Bond, I'm often in two minds. One part of me wants to look beyond the obvious. Look at actors who might not fit my idea of who James Bond is; studying their performances, analysing everything from their speaking cadence, to their facial expressions, their physical movements, looking for even a hint of something Bondian.

    But then another part of me wants to ignore all that and just admit that someone like Aidan Turner or Theo James is the obvious choice; Jack O' Connell? The bloke's a shrimp with rotten teeth. Callum Turner? He's got an awesome name, but his nose and ears are too big and his accent's too strong. Just find a good-looking guy whose charming, masculine, and humorous, and we're good to go. Casting James Bond shouldn't be that complicated!

    But ultimately, looks are only one part of it, and arguably not a very important part. Sure, you need an actor who looks handsome enough to believably seduce a woman like Monica Bellucci, and tough enough that he could hold his own in a fight with David Bautista, but you also need someone who can convey charisma, gravitas, wit, and all those Bondian characteristics that come from within. And it's possible that the actor who conveys those qualities best, doesn't conform to our idea of what James Bond looks like.

    I think it depends on the specific actor at the end of the day. Ultimately their appearance and outward traits are a part of them, and will inevitably be so if they play Bond. It's in the same way that, for example, Connery's thick Scottish accent, bushy eyebrows, extraordinarily hairy chest/arms, and duck-like mouth didn't automatically disappear when he put on that tuxedo. But those things didn't take away from his charm, screen presence, charisma, or even good looks. In fact it was probably that ruggedness and wryness that made him a unique choice for the role, however apparent it was prior to his casting!

    So yeah, it really depends. Personally though, if we're getting into the realm of pointing out very specific 'flaws' in appearance, I think it might be time to take a step back and maybe look at these actors a bit more broadly (I genuinely don't believe an actor like Callum Turner would be barred from auditioning for Bond simply because he has a big nose and ears, for example).
  • DaltonforyouDaltonforyou The Daltonator
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    mtm wrote: »
    Are looks the number one priority for folks?

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    I would generally prefer Bond stay tall, dark and handsome. I loved Craig, and I understand the reaction to his initial casting, but he cleaned up quite well for the part. However, Daniel blew Barbara away with his gravitas. I don't see any of these ugly blokes being mentioned rising to that level. I think Craig was a special case and we shouldn't stray from our understanding of the character just because a few feel we have to cast a non-conventionally attractive actor after Craig.
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
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    But the whole discussion surrounding attractiveness is subjective anyway? So what does it matter if you personally don’t find them attractive this time round? I don’t find Lazenby or Moore to be attractive whatsoever, but there were people that did. So, when it comes to Callum Turner or whoever, while some here might not find them attractive, there’s an audience that does.

    Also, I don’t really see where this whole “an ugly actor […] somehow going to get more interesting films” thing has come from? I haven’t seen that. Again if you don’t find the suggestions attractive, then that’s fine. It’s subjective. I don’t understand the logic that Callum, for example, is ugly, but each to their own, and I definitely don’t think there’s some kind of “the uglier, the more interesting” agenda, we just have different tastes?
  • edited March 20 Posts: 1,724
    talos7 wrote: »

    I agree in the sense that some have a school of thought that a traditionally handsome actor is automatically a lessor one and that only one who is offbeat or non-traditional, can have the gravitas for the role.

    Sometimes an ugly actor is just an ugly actor.

    The dullest handsome guy is still a handsome guy.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited March 20 Posts: 17,409

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    I would generally prefer Bond stay tall, dark and handsome. I loved Craig, and I understand the reaction to his initial casting, but he cleaned up quite well for the part. However, Daniel blew Barbara away with his gravitas. I don't see any of these ugly blokes being mentioned rising to that level. I think Craig was a special case and we shouldn't stray from our understanding of the character just because a few feel we have to cast a non-conventionally attractive actor after Craig.

    Is that a yes?
    For me it’s whether they can do the job of starring in a lead role of a movie. They should fit the bill physically of course, but I think just looking at photos of people and saying their nose is the wrong shape isn’t a judge of whether they’ll be an effective movie star. Someone's looks aren't a sign of 'gravitas' either way.
  • edited March 20 Posts: 4,811
    ‘Tall, dark and handsome’ can have millions of variations too potentially. Personally I think someone like Moore (who had lighter hair anyway) looks and comes off as very different to Connery, and Dalton different to those two. On the flip side I’ve always said Craig wasn’t quite as far from a more typical Bond imagine as many may believe. He had the right colour eyes, a ‘cruel mouth’, and people here have put his image alongside the Fleming illustration and seen the similarities.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    I must admit reading Bond books I increasingly see Craig, something about his manner feels right for Bond.
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    Sometimes an ugly actor is just an ugly actor.

    The dullest handsome guy is still a handsome guy.

    So?
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    Movie history is littered with casting choices which, at the time, were considered strange or a gamble but, with hindsight, it's impossible or very hard to imagine any other actor in the role. I think we focus too much on looks, build etc etc and ignore the "fairy dust" which is the pure talent of an actor to take on and own the role.
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    patb wrote: »
    Movie history is littered with casting choices which, at the time, were considered strange or a gamble but, with hindsight, it's impossible or very hard to imagine any other actor in the role. I think we focus too much on looks, build etc etc and ignore the "fairy dust" which is the pure talent of an actor to take on and own the role.

    I don't think they're demigods. Even the most talented actor can be a miscast.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
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    I think it's normal for fans not to see it, until they see it, Lol. I think the recent example is Robert Pattinson as Batman. Also, another thing to always consider is the direction of the film, as the direction might not be like the previous one etched deeply in fans' minds..thus, influencing the casting choice.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited March 20 Posts: 17,409
    patb wrote: »
    Movie history is littered with casting choices which, at the time, were considered strange or a gamble but, with hindsight, it's impossible or very hard to imagine any other actor in the role. I think we focus too much on looks, build etc etc and ignore the "fairy dust" which is the pure talent of an actor to take on and own the role.

    Yep, good post.
    The thing about Bond as well is there's this sort of 'Bond type' which has been defined, a particular sort of slightly grizzled, chiselled, dark-haired man, somewhere between Lazenby and Dalton, and that's really only come about because of the films and the various Milk Tray man-style 007 spoofs etc. over the years- he doesn't have to look like that, and even Ian Fleming was suggesting guys who didn't stick exactly to that look. I think focussing on looks above all else is a mistake.
    I think it's normal for fans not to see it, until they see it, Lol. I think the recent example is Robert Pattinson as Batman.

    Or indeed Keaton before him.
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    @SecretAgentFan Pattingson is a perfect example
  • edited March 20 Posts: 4,811
    Exactly. The likes of Hugh Jackman as Wolverine was met with a bit of skepticism too and look how that turned out.

    Also worth saying that when it comes to casting, it’s unlikely an actor will appear from nowhere who not only looks exactly like a flawless replica of Fleming’s Bond come to life (whatever that looks like in practice), with nothing to pick apart about their appearance, but also blows all his fellow competitors out of the water with his gravitas, movie Bond charisma, and has no downsides/is perfect for this role to the point we can all see it immediately. It’s a consideration from a limited pool of choices and is about finding the best fit ultimately, and of course a good deal of it will come down to intangible things like ‘aura’ and ‘gravitas’. Maybe an actor is going bald and needs a toupee or has a thick accent. Perhaps they have a mole on their face, or the wrong hair colour, or has a stupid onscreen run. It’s a gamble when all’s said and done (and ultimately good looks/sex appeal of some sort is required for this part), and I’ll take some superficial ‘issues’ if they even are.
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    Linked to this, by sticking rigidly to the "Bond look", it reduces the small talent pool to a tiny talent pool. (IMHO I dont thnk we are overwhelmed with decent candidates at the moment) I think most casual Bond/movie fans care more about the whole movie expereince rather than a perfect visual representation of the Fleming Bond.
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