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  • ToTheRightToTheRight
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    MakeshiftPython wrote: »
    Onto Moore's LIVE AND LET DIE. The LaserDisc transfer seems to have a cooler color palette, while also being cropped on one side. One thing apparent about the SE DVD was that it was vertically stretched to a 1:78 aspect ratio, whereas later formats had it correctly at 1:85. The improvement from blu-ray to 4K is once again the loss of that magenta push. Curiously when you look at the gun barrel there are details on the BD that are lost in 4K, but then there are details in the 4K that are lost in the BD. But at least without the magenta the white of the gun barrel looks more accurate to previous editions, even if the blood seems a bit darker. Anyway, here ya go.



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    Next for TMWTGG, I may skip LD caps for that because I'm having a hard time looking for a widescreen copy.

    I think I prefer the SE DVD for this film. The newest transfer looks pretty decent as well.
  • mattjoesmattjoes Julie T. and the M.G.'s
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    The Blu-Ray transfer does overdo the magenta. Bernard Lee looks embarrassed in that shot!
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    mattjoes wrote: »
    The Blu-Ray transfer does overdo the magenta. Bernard Lee looks embarrassed in that shot!

    Doing these screencaps really highlighted to me how much paler his complexion got as the movies moved forward, so of course the magenta tinting hits him hardest!
  • TorgeirtrapTorgeirtrap
    edited September 2019 Posts: 17,757
    I think I'll definitely stay away from getting the Blu-ray's for the simple reason that they've gone crazy with the magenta. iTunes 4K and potentially a 4K box-set or selected films looks the way to go for upgrading my UE DVD's.

    Can't see myself getting a 4K TV/player anytime soon though, so it will be a while.
  • ToTheRightToTheRight
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    I really don't understand why some of the Blu-rays are timed towards the magenta side of the spectrum. Though my theory is that red itself is difficult to balance. With some television airings I've seen of LALD Tee Hee's blazer looked a bit too orange, and in others too magenta. In the cinema, certain reds really popped on the Bonds: Tee Hee's blazer, Lupe's dress, of course the gunbarrel blood, all looking unmistakable primary red.
    I used to constantly tweak the tint on my old RCA television just to get Christopher Reeve's Superman cape to look right. Sometimes that would sacrifice the flesh tones and result in a more pinkish skin tone. Same with the gunbarrel blood.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Interestingly, I'm noticing that the magenta tint is not prevalent in TMWTGG blu-ray, making me wonder if Lowry only gave a magenta shift on their 4K remasters, as TMWTGG was only remastered from an existing video master.

    What I'm most curious about comparing is TSWLM. Lowry remastered it for UE DVD (from a video master like TMWTGG), but that remaster was abandoned in favor of an in-house remaster by MGM on blu-ray. Luckily, screenmusings.com actually has UE caps, so I'll be able to include that transfer on the comparisons.
  • Benjamin_Weekly69Benjamin_Weekly69 London
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    Torgeirtrap wrote: »
    I think I'll definitely stay away from getting the Blu-ray's for the simple reason that they've gone crazy with the magenta. iTunes 4K and potentially a 4K box-set or selected films looks the way to go for upgrading my UE DVD's.

    Can't see myself getting a 4K TV/player anytime soon though, so it will be a while.

    Going from DVD to 4K is a revelation. I never had the Batman Begins Bu-ray. I upgraded straight from the DVD to 4k. Holy hell, the sheer updraft in quality physically cast me back
  • TorgeirtrapTorgeirtrap
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    Benjamin_Weekly69 wrote: »
    Torgeirtrap wrote: »
    I think I'll definitely stay away from getting the Blu-ray's for the simple reason that they've gone crazy with the magenta. iTunes 4K and potentially a 4K box-set or selected films looks the way to go for upgrading my UE DVD's.

    Can't see myself getting a 4K TV/player anytime soon though, so it will be a while.

    Going from DVD to 4K is a revelation. I never had the Batman Begins Bu-ray. I upgraded straight from the DVD to 4k. Holy hell, the sheer updraft in quality physically cast me back

    That's the impression I get, and as a film fan it's something I'm curious about. But I'm a film fan on a budget, and a 4K "investment" is way more expensive that what I can afford to spend. Unfortunately…
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    From this point on (with the exception of MR) Lowry stopped remastering the films at 4K for UE DVD and blu-ray, presumably because it was too expensive then to do all 20 films and that they only focused on the earlier ones that had more dirt and artifacts to clean up. Instead of film negatives they used video transfers as the basis, so the non-4K remasters never looked quite as impressive as earlier titles. For TMWTGG it's kind of interesting. The old SE DVD is more saturated, maybe even too dark as in the images of Scaramanga in the PTS and Bond and Goodnight at the end. The UE blu-ray is less heavily saturated but it has more image information on the sides, and has that magenta though less aggressive than earlier titles (again, Bernard Lee's pale complexion can't escape it!). With 4K, it looks like they stuck to the same level of saturation as the UE but has improved contrast as seen with Bond having a cigar and laying in bed with Goodnight. However, the 4K appears to have the same framing as the SE DVD, so it's slightly cropped on the two sides again. Finally because it's now from a 4K source the grain is much more apparent than it's ever been, giving it a more filmic feel than the video transfer for the UE could have.


    The widescreen LaserDisc for TMWTGG is incredibly hard to find for sale online, so I wasn't able to obtain it for screencaps. Regretful, because I wanted to see how it looked compared to the SE DVD, as those old DVDs sometimes went overboard on color boosting and I wanted to see if that was the case for TMWTGG.



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  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    The Nile river scene in SPY was color timed blue for the 1992 VHS tape. Other transfers had a golden sunset. That's one film I've caught in the cinema quite a few time now. I think the Blu-ray version might be closer to the theatrical prints than how it was remastered by Lowry for the UE DVD.

    I didn't forget this point you made @ToTheRight , and you're correct! There's more blue on the LD transfer, with the SE DVD going for a more golden look overall, and the UE (Lowry using the same video master for their remaster). The MGM remaster for the blu-ray and 4K seem to go for a middle ground, looking the most natural with the sea carrying some blue while reflecting the golden hue of the sunset, and Sir Roger's white shirt remaining white.

    This series of transfers is what I was most interested in. The SE DVD, like TMWTGG, seemed to have been artificially color boosted, and the contrast and brightness seem much duller compared to all the other transfers. You just have to look at the snow, it doesn't have that natural blue-white hue. Seems Lowry tried to fix the issues of the first DVD for their remaster and while they got closer they didn't quite succeed 100%. Then comes in blu-ray and looks like a revelation. That Ken Adam set with the subs looks GORGEOUS. Wallpaper material. Of course, as it seems to be for all these blu-ray titles so far, there's that magenta push. Looks like that wasn't just a Lowry thing but possibly MGM? However it got there, it's no longer present in the 4K, making it the best TSWLM ever looked on home video.




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    ToTheRight wrote: »
    The Locque death scene looks different in the various transfers. The CBS/Fox version had a much brighter, early morning look whereas the Blu-ray had a darker blue hue. Wish I could recall what that scene looked like in the cinema.

    I have the very first LD copy that was manufactured in 1982, and the scene is much brighter than the Lowry remaster. However, I'm also reminded of a very similar thing that happened with STAR WARS. On the early VHS and LD releases, the scene where R2 is being captured is set in broad daylight. When Lucas remastered the film in 1993 and put out the THX "Definitive Edition" LD and VHS copies, the scene was given a darker hue to appear as dusk. This was way before his more revisionist 1997 Special Edition and other changes made with each format.

    It's also worth noting that the scene with Loque meeting his demise is supposed to be set right after the raid, which started off as dark in the early morning. So having a darker hue to make it look like dawn makes sense for continuity, but I'm not sure if that's what was in theaters and home video simply forgot to apply that filter, or if it was something done only by Lowry in their remaster. I just checked the 4K and it's identical to the blu-ray. This is something I think could only be answered by anyone that has recently seen a print screening. And yes, I'll even include the screencaps of that LD. It may be pan & scan, but it was the first brand new Bond first to come out on home video, and I believe the first ever on home video before the other films came along later that year and the following.
  • ToTheRightToTheRight
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    Wonderful SPY screencaps, @MakeshiftPython.

    Interesting how the 1990 LD has the bluish sunset on the Nile. I recall the 1992 "remastered" VHS edition looking similar whereas the CBS FOX VHS copy had a golden sunrise and the 1988/89 "Moore Classics" MGM/UA Home Video version looked a bit pinkish. I'm actually feeling the Blu-ray more or less has the colors right going by my memory of seeing this on 35mm a few years ago.

    For some reason I tend to be more drawn to the earliest video and LD transfers in terms of color. If I were to track down a VHS copy of STAR WARS, I'd probably want one of the earliest versions in spite of it being pan and scan. I remember being disappointed in the colors when the trilogy was re-issued in '97. Those versions looked very muted to me.
    I seem to remember RETURN OF THE JEDI being very bright in the cinema back in '83.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    ToTheRight wrote: »
    For some reason I tend to be more drawn to the earliest video and LD transfers in terms of color. If I were to track down a VHS copy of STAR WARS, I'd probably want one of the earliest versions in spite of it being pan and scan. I remember being disappointed in the colors when the trilogy was re-issued in '97. Those versions looked very muted to me.
    I seem to remember RETURN OF THE JEDI being very bright in the cinema back in '83.

    The Special Edition from 97 was actually fairly close to the theatrical version color-wise, but starting with the 2004 DVD remaster it was given a more muted look overall and did not even bother referencing the original color timing. Supposedly by 2004 Lucas wanted to have his original trilogy match with the digital color timing of the prequels, which explains why they radically look different on DVD and Blu-ray. I didn't even bother getting the OT on blu-ray because it looked so wrong.



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  • ToTheRightToTheRight
    edited November 2019 Posts: 16,169
    Interesting. The 2004 version does look a bit magenta.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
    edited October 2019 Posts: 8,188
    Yeah, the magenta is even more apparent when scenes are set in the blockade runner, so the sets don't even look pure white as they should. The weirdest thing was that a year later REVENGE OF THE SITH would come out and the color timing was much more in line with the OT, not looking as overly saturated as MENACE and CLONES. Bizarre that for all the insistence that Lucas wanted to have consistency between the six films, he kept making more inconsistencies with stuff like color timing.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Here we are at the end of the 70s. The LD like many of the 70s titles before it appears to be cropped. The SE DVD colors look practically washed out at times. This was the last title Lowry remastered at 4K for UE and blu-ray, so the difference between blu-ray and 4K like films DN-LALD can only be subtle tweaks like improved contrast and that magenta push taken off.




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  • ToTheRightToTheRight
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    I got to see a 35mm print a few years ago as part of a Bond marathon. It was the film in the batch shown I was looking forward to the most. The print was pretty old and scratchy, but the colors were fairly solid. I"d say it was somewhere between the LD and the 4K versions. There was no magenta tint going on.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    At some point I’ll be posting screencaps of the title sequences. I was doing caps of FYEO earlier today and WOW, the color timing is starkly different on all formats, with the 1982 LD and SE DVD being on totally extreme ends (green on LD, purple on DVD), while the 1990 LD and 4K goes somewhere in between, though veering towards opposite directions.

    Currently at work, but once I have the time I’ll post those samples and probably work backward at all other title sequences I never really took captures of.
  • ToTheRightToTheRight
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    MakeshiftPython wrote: »
    At some point I’ll be posting screencaps of the title sequences. I was doing caps of FYEO earlier today and WOW, the color timing is starkly different on all formats, with the 1982 LD and SE DVD being on totally extreme ends (green on LD, purple on DVD), while the 1990 LD and 4K goes somewhere in between, though veering towards opposite directions.

    Currently at work, but once I have the time I’ll post those samples and probably work backward at all other title sequences I never really took captures of.

    Looking forward to this one. I'm curious what the Locque death scene looks like in the different versions.
    This was another Bond film I got to see on the big screen some time back for a Bondathon.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    From the brief bits I saw, it seems Loque's death was incrementally darkened with each release of the film, with 4K being the darkest while managing to keep important details like the actor's facial features visible without losing them to black crushing, and the earliest home video being the 1982 P&S LD looking like broad daylight despite only a minute ago that it was dark during the raid. The darkening seems to have only been applied to that scene, whereas everything else is relatively faithful. Still need to make some screencaptures to get the whole scope. Anyway, here's the title sequence, which blew my mind this morning.


    I must note for the first cap I used VLC Media Player's aspect ratio adjustment feature to stretch image horizontally to 2:35, as the image was originally squeezed for 4:3 TVs to fit the entire sequence even though it makes everyone look anorexic thin.

    So we have the first LD being very green. There's a shift in color with the second 1990 LD. The 1999 SE DVD seems to go way overboard with the color veering towards blue/purple, and then the Lowry remaster takes a step backward to bring back some of the green of the earlier releases, as if to serve as a middle-ground between the last LD and the first DVD. MGM's 4K remaster seems to stick with Lowry's coloring, though it looks a tad darker.



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    Going by what I've seen of MGM's 4K remaster of TMWTGG and FYEO, it seems they used Lowry's video remaster for color reference, so color-wise they shouldn't look too different from the BDs. The biggest difference though is clarity. Coming from an actual 4K source, the later Bond titles look more filmic than they previously have due to the inherent limits of the old video masters. The films with Alan Hume as DP will still look soft as that's how they were shot, which I always suspected was a way to hide Moore's apparent aging.
  • ToTheRightToTheRight
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    MakeshiftPython wrote: »
    From the brief bits I saw, it seems Loque's death was incrementally darkened with each release of the film, with 4K being the darkest while managing to keep important details like the actor's facial features visible without losing them to black crushing, and the earliest home video being the 1982 P&S LD looking like broad daylight despite only a minute ago that it was dark during the raid. The darkening seems to have only been applied to that scene, whereas everything else is relatively faithful. Still need to make some screencaptures to get the whole scope. Anyway, here's the title sequence, which blew my mind this morning.


    I must note for the first cap I used VLC Media Player's aspect ratio adjustment feature to stretch image horizontally to 2:35, as the image was originally squeezed for 4:3 TVs to fit the entire sequence even though it makes everyone look anorexic thin.

    So we have the first LD being very green. There's a shift in color with the second 1990 LD. The 1999 SE DVD seems to go way overboard with the color veering towards blue/purple, and then the Lowry remaster takes a step backward to bring back some of the green of the earlier releases, as if to serve as a middle-ground between the last LD and the first DVD. MGM's 4K remaster seems to stick with Lowry's coloring, though it looks a tad darker.



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    Going by what I've seen of MGM's 4K remaster of TMWTGG and FYEO, it seems they used Lowry's video remaster for color reference, so color-wise they shouldn't look too different from the BDs. The biggest difference though is clarity. Coming from an actual 4K source, the later Bond titles look more filmic than they previously have due to the inherent limits of the old video masters. The films with Alan Hume as DP will still look soft as that's how they were shot, which I always suspected was a way to hide Moore's apparent aging.

    Quite fascinating how different those titles look. Hard to believe how different the '99 SE DVD looks to the others. I wonder why that version was so blue/purple?
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Might have been an extreme case of color boosting gone wrong. Early DVDs tended to do that, and the SE DVDs seem to be no exception. That's how you get stuff like the Nile river.

    I actually do remember reading complaints back when the UE DVDs came out, of the colors in title sequences not looking right compared to the SE (as well for OHMSS and LTK). Will be interesting to look into those later.
  • ToTheRightToTheRight
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    MakeshiftPython wrote: »
    Might have been an extreme case of color boosting gone wrong. Early DVDs tended to do that, and the SE DVDs seem to be no exception. That's how you get stuff like the Nile river.

    I actually do remember reading complaints back when the UE DVDs came out, of the colors in title sequences not looking right compared to the SE (as well for OHMSS and LTK). Will be interesting to look into those later.

    I remember the title card shot for OHMSS with the purple background looking different in the various DVD and VHS versions. Some more purple and others more blue.
    On the FYEO title card I'm surprised how green most versions are. I'd guess the LD might be the most accurate simple because Sheena's flesh tone looks more natural in that transfer. Hard to say, though. Been 20 years since I've seen that one on film.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    I assume overall the 1990 LD might be the most accurate to how it looked theatrically, with the 4K coming closest to that, though I wonder if Loque's death was darkened due to John Glen's involvement with the Lowry remaster. I believe he was the only director of the Cubby era to actually participate for the UE DVDs. The MGM 4K looks like an improvement on Lowry as far as contrast is concerned, like the shot of Topol and Cassandra Harris looking more like a film than an video transfer.



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    09FYEO0.png


    1990 MGM LD
    09FYEO1.png


    1999 MGM SE DVD
    09FYEO2.png


    2008 FOX BD
    09FYEO4.jpg


    2017 iTunes 4K
    09FYEO4K.png





    1982 20th Century Fox LD
    10FYEO0.png


    1990 MGM LD
    10FYEO1.png


    1999 MGM SE DVD
    10FYEO2.png


    2008 FOX BD
    10FYEO4.jpg


    2017 iTunes 4K
    10FYEO4K.png




    And to cap it all off, here's the last of our mysterious drinking man. If you look into the Kennedy assassination footage, he's supposedly among the crowd.


    1982 20th Century Fox LD
    DrinkingMan0.png


    1990 MGM LD
    DrinkingMan1.png


    1999 MGM SE DVD
    DrinkingMan2.png


    2008 FOX BD
    DrinkingMan4.jpg


    2017 iTunes 4K
    DrinkingMan4K.png
  • ToTheRightToTheRight
    Posts: 16,169
    MakeshiftPython wrote: »
    I assume overall the 1990 LD might be the most accurate to how it looked theatrically, with the 4K coming closest to that, though I wonder if Loque's death was darkened due to John Glen's involvement with the Lowry remaster. I believe he was the only director of the Cubby era to actually participate for the UE DVDs. The MGM 4K looks like an improvement on Lowry as far as contrast is concerned, like the shot of Topol and Cassandra Harris looking more like a film than an video transfer.



    1982 20th Century Fox LD
    01FYEO0.png


    1990 MGM LD
    01FYEO1.png


    1999 MGM SE DVD
    01FYEO2.png


    2008 FOX BD
    01FYEO4.jpg


    2017 iTunes 4K
    01FYEO4K.png





    1982 20th Century Fox LD
    02FYEO0.png


    1990 MGM LD
    02FYEO1.png


    1999 MGM SE DVD
    02FYEO2.png


    2008 FOX BD
    02FYEO4.jpg


    2017 iTunes 4K
    02FYEO4K.png





    1982 20th Century Fox LD
    03FYEO0.png


    1990 MGM LD
    03FYEO1.png


    1999 MGM SE DVD
    03FYEO2.png


    2008 FOX BD
    03FYEO4.jpg


    2017 iTunes 4K
    03FYEO4K.png





    1982 20th Century Fox LD
    04FYEO0.png


    1990 MGM LD
    04FYEO1.png


    1999 MGM SE DVD
    04FYEO2.png


    2008 FOX BD
    04FYEO4.jpg


    2017 iTunes 4K
    04FYEO4K.png





    1982 20th Century Fox LD
    05FYEO0.png


    1990 MGM LD
    05FYEO1.png


    1999 MGM SE DVD
    05FYEO2.png


    2008 FOX BD
    05FYEO4.jpg


    2017 iTunes 4K
    05FYEO4K.png






    1982 20th Century Fox LD
    07FYEO0.png


    1990 MGM LD
    07FYEO1.png


    1999 MGM SE DVD
    07FYEO2.png


    2008 FOX BD
    07FYEO4.jpg


    2017 iTunes 4K
    07FYEO4K.png





    1982 20th Century Fox LD
    08FYEO0.png


    1990 MGM LD
    08FYEO1.png


    1999 MGM SE DVD
    08FYEO2.png


    2008 FOX BD
    08FYEO4.jpg


    2017 iTunes 4K
    08FYEO4K.png





    1982 20th Century Fox LD
    09FYEO0.png


    1990 MGM LD
    09FYEO1.png


    1999 MGM SE DVD
    09FYEO2.png


    2008 FOX BD
    09FYEO4.jpg


    2017 iTunes 4K
    09FYEO4K.png





    1982 20th Century Fox LD
    10FYEO0.png


    1990 MGM LD
    10FYEO1.png


    1999 MGM SE DVD
    10FYEO2.png


    2008 FOX BD
    10FYEO4.jpg


    2017 iTunes 4K
    10FYEO4K.png




    And to cap it all off, here's the last of our mysterious drinking man. If you look into the Kennedy assassination footage, he's supposedly among the crowd.


    1982 20th Century Fox LD
    DrinkingMan0.png


    1990 MGM LD
    DrinkingMan1.png


    1999 MGM SE DVD
    DrinkingMan2.png


    2008 FOX BD
    DrinkingMan4.jpg


    2017 iTunes 4K
    DrinkingMan4K.png

    Those are wonderful. I'm thinking in the cinema, Loque's death wasn't so darkly lit. The Blu ray and 4K are incredibly dark.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
    Posts: 8,188
    It'll be awhile before I get to do a full cap comparison of TLD, but I just started doing iTunes caps of it and wanted to just show Dalton no longer sullied by magenta



    2012 FOX BD
    01TLD4.jpg


    2017 iTunes 4K
    01TLD4K.png



    I should have a full comparison of OP coming very soon. I'm just waiting for an LD copy to be delivered today so I'll make caps out of that transfer.
  • ToTheRightToTheRight
    edited October 2019 Posts: 16,169
    MakeshiftPython wrote: »
    It'll be awhile before I get to do a full cap comparison of TLD, but I just started doing iTunes caps of it and wanted to just show Dalton no longer sullied by magenta



    2012 FOX BD
    01TLD4.jpg


    2017 iTunes 4K
    01TLD4K.png



    I should have a full comparison of OP coming very soon. I'm just waiting for an LD copy to be delivered today so I'll make caps out of that transfer.

    On YouTube there's a brief clip from a 16mm copy of OP. The bit where Bond and Octopussy are strolling along at her palace. The colors are radically different to the DVDs and Blu-ray. The flesh tones are quite saturated and Octopussy's blue dress really pops. It then cuts to to the scene with Q and Vijay "We won't see him till dawn". The night shot of the palace is quite deep in contrast.
  • TorgeirtrapTorgeirtrap
    Posts: 17,757
    @ToTheRight This one, right?

  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
    Posts: 8,188
    Is that the same scene where she's talking about wanting to give the women in her cult a purpose? It's definitely different between the SE DVD and blu-ray. In fact, comparing the blu-ray to the 4K it's even more apparent how Lowry tried to sharpen/enhance details from a dated video master, so it results in a more artificial picture. With the new 4K remaster, that's done away with so it has an image that's softer but much more natural than Lowry's effort. Contrasting is much improved too, which you'll see on the last cap with Bond and Octopussy making out in bed. It no longer looks flat like the blu-ray did
  • ToTheRightToTheRight
    edited October 2019 Posts: 16,169
    Torgeirtrap wrote: »
    @ToTheRight This one, right?


    That's it!
    MakeshiftPython wrote: »
    Is that the same scene where she's talking about wanting to give the women in her cult a purpose? It's definitely different between the SE DVD and blu-ray. In fact, comparing the blu-ray to the 4K it's even more apparent how Lowry tried to sharpen/enhance details from a dated video master, so it results in a more artificial picture. With the new 4K remaster, that's done away with so it has an image that's softer but much more natural than Lowry's effort. Contrasting is much improved too, which you'll see on the last cap with Bond and Octopussy making out in bed. It no longer looks flat like the blu-ray did

    Even the swimming pool looks more vibrant there than on the Blu-ray.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
    Posts: 8,188
    I'm still in the process of recording OP's LD, but here's a sample of the pool scene.





    1990 MGM LD
    OP1.png



    2000 SE DVD
    OP2.png



    2012 FOX BD
    OP4.jpg



    2017 iTunes 4K
    OP4K.png
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