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  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    Agreed on all accounts with @ColonelSun.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
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    bondjames wrote: »
    BTW, here is Villeneuve's pitch for Bond:

    http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Sicario-Director-Wants-Do-James-Bond-Movie-Which-Needs-Happen-Immediately-85457.html

    "I was raised with James Bond. I love James Bond movies. I would love to do a James Bond movie one day. Action is very cinematic. I’m not someone that loves dialogue – I am someone that loves movement. Action, if it’s well done, can be very poetic and meaningful."

    That is actually a little reassuring. It's the way that people talk about him that worries me. I don't want another director that is even slightly Mendesian.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    MajorDSmythe wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    BTW, here is Villeneuve's pitch for Bond:

    http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Sicario-Director-Wants-Do-James-Bond-Movie-Which-Needs-Happen-Immediately-85457.html

    "I was raised with James Bond. I love James Bond movies. I would love to do a James Bond movie one day. Action is very cinematic. I’m not someone that loves dialogue – I am someone that loves movement. Action, if it’s well done, can be very poetic and meaningful."

    That is actually a little reassuring. It's the way that people talk about him that worries me. I don't want another director that is even slightly Mendesian.
    It's not Villeneuve you have to worry about imho. It's Craig. His idea of going out on a high may be different from what many of us have in mind.
  • DoctorNoDoctorNo USA-Maryland
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    Villeneuve is a film director, Mendes is a stage director turned film director who doesn't fully understand the film medium (show don't tell, etc)

    Villeneuve understands suspense, so can handle that and thereby would also likely get the most out of big action set pieces. Mendes doesn't fully grasp either suspense or action

    Does Villeneuve get the character and Fleming... that is a question mark. Mendes once again did not fully grasp either.

  • PanchitoPistolesPanchitoPistoles 2.0
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    @DoctorNo The director who directed American Beauty, Road to Perdition and Skyfall certainly understand the film medium better than the vast majority of directors who have ever lived. As for getting the chaarcter and Fleming, Fleming doesn't matter anymore and hasn't mattered for a long time. The best way to understand the character of the cinematic Bond is to watch some of the best Bond movies, instead of reading Fleming's Bond novels.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    I'm beginning to wonder if all this conversation of Villeneuve is moot? What are the chances of Legendary delaying Dune to accommodate time for him to direct B25?
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    jake24 wrote: »
    I'm beginning to wonder if all this conversation of Villeneuve is moot? What are the chances of Legendary delaying Dune to accommodate time for him to direct B25?
    Good point. As I said earlier, I just wander why Baz let this out of the bag now.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    bondjames wrote: »
    jake24 wrote: »
    I'm beginning to wonder if all this conversation of Villeneuve is moot? What are the chances of Legendary delaying Dune to accommodate time for him to direct B25?
    Good point. As I said earlier, I just wander why Baz let this out of the bag now.
    My gut tells me they're fighting to get him, and he'd be well worth the fight, IMO. Demange seems like a plan B at this point, to be honest.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    jake24 wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    jake24 wrote: »
    I'm beginning to wonder if all this conversation of Villeneuve is moot? What are the chances of Legendary delaying Dune to accommodate time for him to direct B25?
    Good point. As I said earlier, I just wander why Baz let this out of the bag now.
    My gut tells me they're fighting to get him, and he'd be well worth the fight, IMO. Demange seems like a plan B at this point, to be honest.
    Yes I agree. Demange and Craig never made sense to me. Especially after Mendes.
  • Goldeneye0094Goldeneye0094 Conyers, GA
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    bondjames wrote: »
    jake24 wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    jake24 wrote: »
    I'm beginning to wonder if all this conversation of Villeneuve is moot? What are the chances of Legendary delaying Dune to accommodate time for him to direct B25?
    Good point. As I said earlier, I just wander why Baz let this out of the bag now.
    My gut tells me they're fighting to get him, and he'd be well worth the fight, IMO. Demange seems like a plan B at this point, to be honest.
    Yes I agree. Demange and Craig never made sense to me. Especially after Mendes.

    You ought to watch demange's film 71 and his tv series top boy if you haven't he's quite qualified to direct a craig bond film.
  • Red_SnowRed_Snow Australia
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    bondjames wrote: »
    jake24 wrote: »
    I'm beginning to wonder if all this conversation of Villeneuve is moot? What are the chances of Legendary delaying Dune to accommodate time for him to direct B25?
    Good point. As I said earlier, I just wander why Baz let this out of the bag now.

    It does seem a bit odd that Craig would confirm his return during the 'Logan Lucky' press tour, and now Baz drops this during Villeneuve's 'Blade Runner' press tour. Is there a pattern forming?
  • Goldeneye0094Goldeneye0094 Conyers, GA
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    Red_Snow wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    jake24 wrote: »
    I'm beginning to wonder if all this conversation of Villeneuve is moot? What are the chances of Legendary delaying Dune to accommodate time for him to direct B25?
    Good point. As I said earlier, I just wander why Baz let this out of the bag now.

    It does seem a bit odd that Craig would confirm his return during the 'Logan Lucky' press tour, and now Baz drops this during Villeneuve's 'Blade Runner' press tour. Is there a pattern forming?

    Blade Runner 2049 premieres on global james bond day an announcement i think is coming sooner than later!
  • noSolaceleftnoSolaceleft
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    PanchitoPistoles wrote: »
    @DoctorNo The director who directed American Beauty, Road to Perdition and Skyfall certainly understand the film medium better than the vast majority of directors who have ever lived. As for getting the chaarcter and Fleming, Fleming doesn't matter anymore and hasn't mattered for a long time. The best way to understand the character of the cinematic Bond is to watch some of the best Bond movies, instead of reading Fleming's Bond novels.

    Not that the Bond of SF or SP had anything to do with either of them.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    Fleming content will always inform and build up the movie Bond. That's shown by CASINO ROYALE.
    Can't separate the two.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Bond's personality and characterization might not be, but background, essence and atmosphere circulating the entity of James Bond will always be coming from Fleming. If you think the otherwise, then you're dreaming or are stoned by whatever you're smoking. And that's putting it very mildly.
  • DoctorNoDoctorNo USA-Maryland
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    PanchitoPistoles wrote: »
    @DoctorNo The director who directed American Beauty, Road to Perdition and Skyfall certainly understand the film medium better than the vast majority of directors who have ever lived. As for getting the chaarcter and Fleming, Fleming doesn't matter anymore and hasn't mattered for a long time. The best way to understand the character of the cinematic Bond is to watch some of the best Bond movies, instead of reading Fleming's Bond novels.

    He does not fully understand the film medium. I'm sure there are plenty of directors who would point that out. I'm not saying he's a bad filmmaker, but he is handicapped by his stage sensibilty. He is as happy with soliloquys and characters explaining things through long exposition dialogue exchanges rather than showing things happen.

    The rest of your comments are too retarded to debate.

  • Goldeneye0094Goldeneye0094 Conyers, GA
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    Here's a little food for thought do you think eon is going with an R rated final film for craig much like logan with them wanting villianeuve to direct? Cause most of his successful films are rated R and the upcoming blade runner 2049 is rated R also.
  • Bentley007Bentley007 Manitoba, Canada
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    Goldeneye0094 wrote: »
    Here's a little food for thought do you think eon is going with an R rated final film for craig much like logan with them wanting villianeuve to direct? Cause most of his successful films are rated R and the upcoming blade runner 2049 is rated R also.

    I would not be shocked if they are going the "Logan" route for Craig's last outing. Villianeuve has proven he can direct a compelling R rated film. However it would fly in the face of the Bond method which is not limiting the viewership.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    good question @Goldeneye0094-- does Bond need an R-rating though? CR and QoS got bloody and bloody violent, without it.

    The Wolverine is a guy that fights with claws, so I can understand that they really let loose with the last one, and I can understand the rating it received.

    Bond doesn't need to get any more violent than Craig's first two (balls-busting scene anyone?)
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Goldeneye0094 wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    jake24 wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    jake24 wrote: »
    I'm beginning to wonder if all this conversation of Villeneuve is moot? What are the chances of Legendary delaying Dune to accommodate time for him to direct B25?
    Good point. As I said earlier, I just wander why Baz let this out of the bag now.
    My gut tells me they're fighting to get him, and he'd be well worth the fight, IMO. Demange seems like a plan B at this point, to be honest.
    Yes I agree. Demange and Craig never made sense to me. Especially after Mendes.

    You ought to watch demange's film 71 and his tv series top boy if you haven't he's quite qualified to direct a craig bond film.
    I will watch it sometime. That's not the point I was making however. I was not commenting on his qualifications. Rather, his marketability and name recognition. We are following two of the most successful Bond films of all time, helmed by an Oscar winning director. It's a question of brand recognition, especially with Craig still on board. Demange is more suitable for a reboot, like Campbell was for Brosnan.
    DoctorNo wrote: »
    PanchitoPistoles wrote: »
    @DoctorNo The director who directed American Beauty, Road to Perdition and Skyfall certainly understand the film medium better than the vast majority of directors who have ever lived. As for getting the chaarcter and Fleming, Fleming doesn't matter anymore and hasn't mattered for a long time. The best way to understand the character of the cinematic Bond is to watch some of the best Bond movies, instead of reading Fleming's Bond novels.

    He does not fully understand the film medium. I'm sure there are plenty of directors who would point that out. I'm not saying he's a bad filmmaker, but he is handicapped by his stage sensibilty. He is as happy with soliloquys and characters explaining things through long exposition dialogue exchanges rather than showing things happen.

    The rest of your comments are too retarded to debate.
    He understands the film medium just fine in my view. SF was an exposition heavy and theatrical style film, which suited Mendes' sensibilities better than a more action oriented entry like SP. That is why the earlier film is generally more well regarded.

    With regards to Fleming, of course the essential character traits emanate from the novels, but they are embellished and modified to suit the film medium and the tastes of today's audience, while respecting the rich cinematic legacy and history. More or less comes into play in each film depending on what kind of film they go for as well.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    M_Balje wrote: »
    I hope if so, he wil ask Sarah Gadon as Bondgirl. She is on my wishlist and she worked with him on Enemy.

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    Good call Sarah Gadon looks the part
  • MilovyMilovy
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    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    Don't want any more "poetic action". We've had that with the Mendes films.
    Hmm. It sounds to me like Villeneuve is saying that he prefers to tell a story through movement and action rather than dialogue. Visual storytelling.

    I would be all for action that moves the story and illuminates/develops character, instead of just showing explosions and vehicles crashing into each other.
  • Goldeneye0094Goldeneye0094 Conyers, GA
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    Good point @bondjames villianeuve is much more well known than demange and i guess demange would be kinda risky since he has little to know action experience and has only directed two feature films however he wouldn't be the first bond director with a resume like that when michael apted was hired to direct the world is not enough most of his resume consisted of documenteries so eon is very well known for hiring unusual directors.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Yes, you're right @Goldeneye0094, they've certainly done it before. Moreover, if they were considering toning it down budget wise after SP's excesses then I suppose someone like Demange, who apparently can tell a thrilling gritty story on a tighter budget, may have been an option. Sort of like how FYEO followed MR.
  • Red_SnowRed_Snow Australia
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    Goldeneye0094 wrote: »
    Here's a little food for thought do you think eon is going with an R rated final film for craig much like logan with them wanting villianeuve to direct? Cause most of his successful films are rated R and the upcoming blade runner 2049 is rated R also.

    By rated R, do you mean 15+?
  • Goldeneye0094Goldeneye0094 Conyers, GA
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    bondjames wrote: »
    Yes, you're right @Goldeneye0094, they've certainly done it before. Moreover, if they were considering toning it down budget wise after SP's excesses then I suppose someone like Demange, who apparently can tell a thrilling gritty story on a tighter budget, may have been an option. Sort of like how FYEO followed MR.

    Like @jake24 said they might be really trying to persuade villianeuve to do the next film and put dune on ice but if villianeuve chooses to drop bond 25 and go ahead with dune then they will hire demange.
  • Pierce2DanielPierce2Daniel
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    I think partially the reason it's been nearly three months since word of Yann Demange being the "frontrunner", may be the Villenueve factor.

    Yann has done some great work on British TV and 71 is brilliant. But he is, understandably, an unknown quantity when it comes to be studio filmmaking. He'd be a fun and interesting risk.

    Denis is a seasoned pro. He's the hottest director working in Hollywood currently and seems destined to become the new Christopher Nolan. He has also expressed a desire to make a Bond film. So while he may be seen as an arty-auteur type, he has displayed enough genre inclinations throughout his career to win over both cinephiles and the general popcorn-consuming audiences.

    I think EON are waiting with baited breath to see Blade Runner 2049 (which looks outstandingly good) and hope they can win Denis around. Failing that - Yann probably gets the offer. I think Daniel Craig schmoozing D-Vill will be the chief factor here......

    The fact that Baz has written an article about this convinces me that Villenueve will direct Bond 25

    Personally, I want a Villenueve Bond movie more than anything - but Yann is also an amazing choice. I feel slightly spoiled by the notion that they are the frontrunners. We may have to wait a rather long time for Bond 25, but the stars are seemingly aligning for something special......
  • mattjoesmattjoes Julie T. and the M.G.'s
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    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    Don't want any more "poetic action". We've had that with the Mendes films.

    Yeah, I don't care for phrases like these, really.
  • Goldeneye0094Goldeneye0094 Conyers, GA
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    Pierce2Daniel wrote: »
    I think partially the reason it's been nearly three months since word of Yann Demange being the "frontrunner", may be the Villenueve factor.

    Yann has done some great work on British TV and 71 is brilliant. But he is, understandably, an unknown quantity when it comes to be studio filmmaking. He'd be a fun and interesting risk.

    Denis is a seasoned pro. He's the hottest director working in Hollywood currently and seems destined to become the new Christopher Nolan. He has also expressed a desire to make a Bond film. So while he may be seen as an arty-auteur type, he has displayed enough genre inclinations throughout his career to win over both cinephiles and the general popcorn-consuming audiences.

    I think EON are waiting with baited breath to see Blade Runner 2049 (which looks outstandingly good) and hope they can win Denis around. Failing that - Yann probably gets the offer. I think Daniel Craig schmoozing D-Vill will be the chief factor here......

    The fact that Baz has written an article about this convinces me that Villenueve will direct Bond 25

    Personally, I want a Villenueve Bond movie more than anything - but Yann is also an amazing choice. I feel slightly spoiled by the notion that they are the frontrunners. We may have to wait a rather long time for Bond 25, but the stars are seemingly aligning for something special......

    The sooner they lock in villianueve or demange and a distribution deal the faster they can get the ball rolling.
  • Tuck91Tuck91
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    Its a longshot at this point but I was hoping Nolan would helm the next one, but then again i was disappointed with Dunkirk.

    Im not really too crazy about any of the directors being thrown around the last year. While Mendes probably wasnt the right choice for Spectre, I think given the right material to work with Mendes could give us another Skyfall. If Mendes could give us something even a little better than Skyfall I would pick him to helm again or even campbell. The other choices just dont interest me
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