No Time To Die: Production Diary

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  • peterpeter Toronto
    edited January 2018 Posts: 9,509
    well said @ToTheRight ... I just finished watching a thirty-three year old Connery in FRWL... He was a man in control, that's for sure.... The 30 year old actors today would have a tough go at properly tying a tie and lacing their shoes, let alone playing baccarat!
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    Good points re age and culture. I was watching Liam Neeson on Graham Norton this week. He was pure class, the way he handled himself, his upright walk, his mannerisms. They do throw back to another era. And obvioulsy, he was just being himself (mild flirting with the wonderful Helen Mirren). and at 65--he was pure charm (and my wife would agree!!)

    I think there was a certain formality from the SC era which meant that men in their 30s were more mature (if that makes sense) so some of the work was already done for SC as it was for Moore and Neeson as they can put the charm they already had into their roles.

    Im not sure this natural, smooth charm is part of our culture now so its going to be more alien for an actor from the modern era. They will have to make an effort where as, Moore, for example, just was charming.
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    peter wrote: »
    well said @ToTheRight ... I just finished watching a thirty-three year old Connery in FRWL... He was a man in control, that's for sure.... The 30 year old actors today would have a tough go at properly tying a tie and lacing their shoes, let alone playing baccarat!

    Connery's Bond certainly grew up in an era where one was taught etiquette. Whether it be at the dinner table, gambling tables or simply what to wear for the proper occasion.

    It's amazing how many people have no idea how to tie a necktie. They don't know the difference between a two/three piece suit and a sports jacket.
    You can go to dinner smartly dressed in a turtleneck, tweed or corduroy sports jacket with khaki trousers and many will confuse that with a suit. Considering the number of tweed sports jackets or navy blazers 007 has worn throughout the years, it should be mandatory that the actor playing Bond know the difference.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    I agree on it being a lost art for the most part. The culture has changed a great deal, and the way we use language has changed as well. There's a bit of dumbing down sadly and that plays into everything. These days, I think it's breeding that will confer that elegance and style more than anything, but it will be an anachronism rather than the norm. Fortunately, there are still many of us who associate that with Bond, and in time, they will bring it back.
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    bondjames wrote: »
    I agree on it being a lost art for the most part. The culture has changed a great deal, and the way we use language has changed as well. There's a bit of dumbing down sadly and that plays into everything. These days, I think it's breeding that will confer that elegance and style more than anything, but it will be an anachronism rather than the norm. Fortunately, there are still many of us who associate that with Bond, and in time, they will bring it back.

    There was a great book during the Brosnan era: Dressed to Kill: James Bond the Suited Hero that covered Bond's clothing throughout the years and the changing culture. One of my favorite elements of the Brosnan era was the return to classic Bond wardrobe. His suits looked amazing, as did his casual attire.
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    @bondjames correct as usual . But its not just Bond, look at Robert Shaw in FRWL, brutal but charming. Like Bond himself and regarded as one of THE best henchmen of the the whole series. Even though he's the bad guy, he contributes charm and class to the movie and his battle with Bond is all the better for it as it brings tension to the exchanges before the violence kicks in. I would love to have such a character in a future Bond.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited January 2018 Posts: 23,883
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    I agree on it being a lost art for the most part. The culture has changed a great deal, and the way we use language has changed as well. There's a bit of dumbing down sadly and that plays into everything. These days, I think it's breeding that will confer that elegance and style more than anything, but it will be an anachronism rather than the norm. Fortunately, there are still many of us who associate that with Bond, and in time, they will bring it back.

    There was a great book during the Brosnan era: Dressed to Kill: James Bond the Suited Hero that covered Bond's clothing throughout the years and the changing culture. One of my favorite elements of the Brosnan era was the return to classic Bond wardrobe. His suits looked amazing, as did his casual attire.
    Brosnan wore everything really well, and in many ways he was a throwback visually, and most notably for me in GE. I thought that his suits were just a bit too formal however. Like he was going to a formal office meeting. Connery in particular but also Moore (despite his overt 70's style) wore the suits like they were a second skin. They 'wore the suit' rather than 'the suit wearing them'. Again, we'll get back there eventually. Things always go in cycles.
    patb wrote: »
    @bondjames correct as usual . But its not just Bond, look at Robert Shaw in FRWL, brutal but charming. Like Bond himself and regarded as one of THE best henchmen of the the whole series. Even though he's the bad guy, he contributes charm and class to the movie and his battle with Bond is all the better for it as it brings tension to the exchanges before the violence kicks in. I would love to have such a character in a future Bond.
    That's a great example. Shaw was another one who wore those suits, and not the other way round. They were like a skin on him in that film.

    Recently, I'd say Mads Mikkelsen's LeChiffre came the closest to having that effortless, elegant style we associate with Bond and Bond films.
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    @bondjames , good point about Pierce. In some ways it looked as though Pierce was modelling Brioni suits. Connery and Moore were far more natural. Connery even slept in his.
    I think we'll eventually get back to a traditional look for Bond. Craig certainly wears the suits, but the cut leaves a lot to be desired, IMO.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited January 2018 Posts: 23,883
    Excellent point about Connery sleeping in those suits in training for the role @ToTheRight. I had forgotten about that. Yes, Connery in particular (but also Moore to a lesser extent) almost gave off an impression that he was in casual gear even when he was in a suit. It was effortless. I'm not sure if that's due to the fact that these actors are from that earlier generation, or if it's the Savile Row cuts, or something else. During Brosnan's run I definitely noticed the suits being a bit more 'modeled' (you put it perfectly).

    Craig wore the suits very well throughout QoS and on his walk to the casino in CR. He lacks elegance though (imho). Bond must be elegant as well as lethal. I find him much better in his casual gear in the films. He comes across as more of an action man to me though. The cuts are shameful. Beneath Bond.
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    Not having a go at DC but, from what we know of the man himself, I don't think ellegance is really his thing off screen. So when it's required on screen, it's one more thing to act rather than just "be".
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    I don't know why this is, but Daniel seems to enjoy substituting jeans for well pressed suit trousers in television interviews.

    That look works better if you're wearing a navy or tan blazer and open neck shirt. Pierce pulled it off beautifully in LIVE WIRE. Timothy looked great on The Arsenio Hall Show ages ago in a navy blazer, open necked blue dress shirt and faded jeans. Casual, yet elegant.

    One simply does NOT take a three piece suit like the gray attire Sean sports in the second half of GOLDFINGER, and wear jeans with it.
    It just isn't done. It's like drinking Dom Perignon above the temperature of 38 degrees Fahrenheit.
  • peterpeter Toronto
    Posts: 9,509
    I think Bond looked the "elegant killer" when he took out the last vehicle in QoS's PTS... Just saying.
  • DonnyDB5DonnyDB5 Buffalo, New York
    Posts: 1,755
    peter wrote: »
    I think Bond looked the "elegant killer" when he took out the last vehicle in QoS's PTS... Just saying.

    That was still IMO one of the best action sequences out of Craig’s Bond movies thus far.
  • Bentley007Bentley007 Manitoba, Canada
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    Anyone know what happened to the Nicolas Winding Refn film "The Avenging Silence" it's not on his IMDB and news regarding it has gone quiet.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
    Posts: 10,591
    Bentley007 wrote: »
    Anyone know what happened to the Nicolas Winding Refn film "The Avenging Silence" it's not on his IMDB and news regarding it has gone quiet.
    It's currently listed on IMDB (and on his page, as well).

    http://m.imdb.com/title/tt5437956/
  • Bentley007Bentley007 Manitoba, Canada
    edited January 2018 Posts: 575
    jake24 wrote: »
    Bentley007 wrote: »
    Anyone know what happened to the Nicolas Winding Refn film "The Avenging Silence" it's not on his IMDB and news regarding it has gone quiet.
    It's currently listed on IMDB (and on his page, as well).

    http://m.imdb.com/title/tt5437956/

    It's not attached to his page when you look through his filmography alone. Sorry about the mistake. Thought it was odd that the movie Purvis and Wade were writing prior to Bond25 seems to have gone completely silent yet it seems Bond25's script is not complete.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
    Posts: 10,591
    Bentley007 wrote: »
    jake24 wrote: »
    Bentley007 wrote: »
    Anyone know what happened to the Nicolas Winding Refn film "The Avenging Silence" it's not on his IMDB and news regarding it has gone quiet.
    It's currently listed on IMDB (and on his page, as well).

    http://m.imdb.com/title/tt5437956/

    It's not attached to his page when you look through his filmography alone. Sorry about the mistake. Thought it was odd that the movie Purvis and Wade were writing prior to Bond25 seems to have gone completely silent yet it seems Bond25's script is not complete.
    It is for me. Weird.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    It’s listed on his filmography page, if you’re on a phone, tap on the upcoming projects button and you’ll see the titles. It’s listed as “in development”.
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    I think Harris is bad, Fiennes is alright but fairly easily replaceable, and Wishaw is brilliant and should stay on reboot or not for as long as he physically can.

    Inclined to agree. She just seems a bit bored by it all and there’s no chemistry with Craig. Although I found Harris less annoying in SP than SF - mainly because she had a slightly more trad role. No issue with female agents in the field obviously but why mess so much with the basic character. Wishaw didn’t work for me in SF either but really grew into the role with SP - I liked his performance a lot and I just think it worked better as he was closer to the character we know - with a twist.

    Someone mentioned Keeley Hawes as a possible Moneypenny had they cast her a few years back. Not a bad idea. Saw her in Line if Duty only recently and thought she was brilliant.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    edited January 2018 Posts: 15,423
    Getafix wrote: »
    Someone mentioned Keeley Hawes as a possible Moneypenny had they cast her a few years back. Not a bad idea. Saw her in Line if Duty only recently and thought she was brilliant.
    Yep! She would've been terrific in the role of Moneypenny alongside Craig.

    Well, either Moneypenny or Mary Goodnight (the literary rendition).
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    Bentley007 wrote: »
    jake24 wrote: »
    Bentley007 wrote: »
    Anyone know what happened to the Nicolas Winding Refn film "The Avenging Silence" it's not on his IMDB and news regarding it has gone quiet.
    It's currently listed on IMDB (and on his page, as well).

    http://m.imdb.com/title/tt5437956/

    It's not attached to his page when you look through his filmography alone. Sorry about the mistake. Thought it was odd that the movie Purvis and Wade were writing prior to Bond25 seems to have gone completely silent yet it seems Bond25's script is not complete.

    Refn is currently shooting the series Too Old To Die Young for Amazon, which is due for release next year. I'd imagine Avenging Silence may be his next project after that.
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    talos7 wrote: »
    All right, I know how unpopular this is but after seeing Dunkirk, I posted here that I thought Styles would be a candidate. I know his “boy-band” roots turn some people off but he has an intangible star quality and a look that can be surprising intense.
    By the time Nolan would take over Harry would be nearing 30, a perfect age to launch a series that would allow Nolan the time to show Bond mature into a double O

    So you're suggesting to reboot the reboot and one of the best Bond films?
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    bondjames wrote: »
    Excellent point about Connery sleeping in those suits in training for the role @ToTheRight. I had forgotten about that. Yes, Connery in particular (but also Moore to a lesser extent) almost gave off an impression that he was in casual gear even when he was in a suit. It was effortless. I'm not sure if that's due to the fact that these actors are from that earlier generation, or if it's the Savile Row cuts, or something else. During Brosnan's run I definitely noticed the suits being a bit more 'modeled' (you put it perfectly).

    Craig wore the suits very well throughout QoS and on his walk to the casino in CR. He lacks elegance though (imho). Bond must be elegant as well as lethal. I find him much better in his casual gear in the films. He comes across as more of an action man to me though. The cuts are shameful. Beneath Bond.
    A very important point about Connery sleeping in his suit. The story is that Terrence Young intructed Connery to sleep in his suit, because Young saw that Connery wasn't used at all to tailored suits. That goes against the point that that kind of suave nonchalance was part of the actors' personality. As does the notion that Connery practised bodybuilding in order to look and hold himself in a certain way.

  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
    Posts: 8,206
    boldfinger wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    All right, I know how unpopular this is but after seeing Dunkirk, I posted here that I thought Styles would be a candidate. I know his “boy-band” roots turn some people off but he has an intangible star quality and a look that can be surprising intense.
    By the time Nolan would take over Harry would be nearing 30, a perfect age to launch a series that would allow Nolan the time to show Bond mature into a double O

    So you're suggesting to reboot the reboot and one of the best Bond films?

    Well, Nolan has said that he knows exactly what he wants to do with Bond; in it’s current incarnation, they have painted themselves into a corner by making Bond’s age an issue.
    Now it is possible that they could cast another actor and drop him into Craig ‘s timeline but that’s not likely, especially if it’s someone of Nolan’s statue.
    I do believe that when a new actor is cast, an entirely new timeline, incarnation, will begin.

  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
    edited January 2018 Posts: 8,206
    boldfinger wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    All right, I know how unpopular this is but after seeing Dunkirk, I posted here that I thought Styles would be a candidate. I know his “boy-band” roots turn some people off but he has an intangible star quality and a look that can be surprising intense.
    By the time Nolan would take over Harry would be nearing 30, a perfect age to launch a series that would allow Nolan the time to show Bond mature into a double O

    So you're suggesting to reboot the reboot and one of the best Bond films?

    Well, Nolan has said that he knows exactly what he wants to do with Bond; in it’s current incarnation, they have painted themselves into a corner by making Bond’s age an issue.
    Now it is possible that they could drop another actor into the "Craig Timeline" but it's unlikely, particularly if someone of Nolan's stature, and vision. takes the reigns.

    One way or another, I believe that the next actor will usher in and entirely new incarnation of the character and will begin with a clean slate.

  • Red_SnowRed_Snow Australia
    Posts: 2,538
    'Nancy' executive produced my BB and MGW is currently in competition at Sundance.

    Anyone know if either are attending the festival?
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited January 2018 Posts: 23,883
    talos7 wrote: »
    boldfinger wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    All right, I know how unpopular this is but after seeing Dunkirk, I posted here that I thought Styles would be a candidate. I know his “boy-band” roots turn some people off but he has an intangible star quality and a look that can be surprising intense.
    By the time Nolan would take over Harry would be nearing 30, a perfect age to launch a series that would allow Nolan the time to show Bond mature into a double O

    So you're suggesting to reboot the reboot and one of the best Bond films?

    Well, Nolan has said that he knows exactly what he wants to do with Bond; in it’s current incarnation, they have painted themselves into a corner by making Bond’s age an issue.
    Now it is possible that they could drop another actor into the "Craig Timeline" but it's unlikely, particularly if someone of Nolan's stature, and vision. takes the reigns.

    One way or another, I believe that the next actor will usher in and entirely new incarnation of the character and will begin with a clean slate.
    I agree with you that the current direct continuity timeline has boxed them in. Looking back on it, I'd say it's one of the most asinine decisions taken by the producers. The appeal of the older films (which enables them to be viewed over and over again) is the fact that James Bond is essentially timeless. Apart from the fashions and technology changing around the films along with a few other tweaks, the character was essentially the same and the continuity was quite 'loose'. The approach they've taken recently just makes him like any other 'time constrained' hero, necessitating a reboot every time the role is recast. In a way, that's probably why they're hanging onto Craig too - because they've locked themselves in creatively and will need to reset in a more dramatic way after he's out.

    This direct continuity thing was a fashion driven change that wasn't necessary in my humble view. Just because everyone else does this sort of thing, it doesn't mean that Bond has to.

    I hope they realize this and at least attempt to revert back to a 'no continuity' narrative with his last film, to set the stage for a return to form after he's out.
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    talos7 wrote: »
    All right, I know how unpopular this is but after seeing Dunkirk, I posted here that I thought Styles would be a candidate. I know his “boy-band” roots turn some people off but he has an intangible star quality and a look that can be surprising intense.
    By the time Nolan would take over Harry would be nearing 30, a perfect age to launch a series that would allow Nolan the time to show Bond mature into a double O

    Harry Styles could be an interesting choice for Bond. He was just fine in Dunkirk, but would like to see him in a few more things first. But he'd be the first Bond to actually sing his own theme tune? So it's all a bit Dennis Waterman! :) The rumour does however remind me of when Robbie Williams was linked to the role after his Millennium video back in the late 90's, so I'd take it with a huge pinch of salt. But at least this rumour doesn't boil my blood like the asinine calls for a female Bond from idiots in the media...and stupid comments from Idris Elba really doesn't help. Why can't they just say: NO. Dumbest idea ever. How many women have you met called James? Sigh.

  • mattjoesmattjoes Julie T. and the M.G.'s
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    bondjames wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    boldfinger wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    All right, I know how unpopular this is but after seeing Dunkirk, I posted here that I thought Styles would be a candidate. I know his “boy-band” roots turn some people off but he has an intangible star quality and a look that can be surprising intense.
    By the time Nolan would take over Harry would be nearing 30, a perfect age to launch a series that would allow Nolan the time to show Bond mature into a double O

    So you're suggesting to reboot the reboot and one of the best Bond films?

    Well, Nolan has said that he knows exactly what he wants to do with Bond; in it’s current incarnation, they have painted themselves into a corner by making Bond’s age an issue.
    Now it is possible that they could drop another actor into the "Craig Timeline" but it's unlikely, particularly if someone of Nolan's stature, and vision. takes the reigns.

    One way or another, I believe that the next actor will usher in and entirely new incarnation of the character and will begin with a clean slate.
    I agree with you that the current direct continuity timeline has boxed them in. Looking back on it, I'd say it's one of the most asinine decisions taken by the producers. The appeal of the older films (which enables them to be viewed over and over again) is the fact that James Bond is essentially timeless. Apart from the fashions and technology changing around the films along with a few other tweaks, the character was essentially the same and the continuity was quite 'loose'. The approach they've taken recently just makes him like any other 'time constrained' hero, necessitating a reboot every time the role is recast. In a way, that's probably why they're hanging onto Craig too - because they've locked themselves in creatively and will need to reset in a more dramatic way after he's out.

    This direct continuity thing was a fashion driven change that wasn't necessary in my humble view. Just because everyone else does this sort of thing, it doesn't mean that Bond has to.

    I hope they realize this and at least attempt to revert back to a 'no continuity' narrative with his last film, to set the stage for a return to form after he's out.
    The films will change in tone with the next actor, and the next era will be a soft-reboot, but will they revert to a 'no continuity' narrative? At least, no more continuity-driven than the Connery era?

    I hope so, but I have my doubts.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited January 2018 Posts: 23,883
    mattjoes wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    boldfinger wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    All right, I know how unpopular this is but after seeing Dunkirk, I posted here that I thought Styles would be a candidate. I know his “boy-band” roots turn some people off but he has an intangible star quality and a look that can be surprising intense.
    By the time Nolan would take over Harry would be nearing 30, a perfect age to launch a series that would allow Nolan the time to show Bond mature into a double O

    So you're suggesting to reboot the reboot and one of the best Bond films?

    Well, Nolan has said that he knows exactly what he wants to do with Bond; in it’s current incarnation, they have painted themselves into a corner by making Bond’s age an issue.
    Now it is possible that they could drop another actor into the "Craig Timeline" but it's unlikely, particularly if someone of Nolan's stature, and vision. takes the reigns.

    One way or another, I believe that the next actor will usher in and entirely new incarnation of the character and will begin with a clean slate.
    I agree with you that the current direct continuity timeline has boxed them in. Looking back on it, I'd say it's one of the most asinine decisions taken by the producers. The appeal of the older films (which enables them to be viewed over and over again) is the fact that James Bond is essentially timeless. Apart from the fashions and technology changing around the films along with a few other tweaks, the character was essentially the same and the continuity was quite 'loose'. The approach they've taken recently just makes him like any other 'time constrained' hero, necessitating a reboot every time the role is recast. In a way, that's probably why they're hanging onto Craig too - because they've locked themselves in creatively and will need to reset in a more dramatic way after he's out.

    This direct continuity thing was a fashion driven change that wasn't necessary in my humble view. Just because everyone else does this sort of thing, it doesn't mean that Bond has to.

    I hope they realize this and at least attempt to revert back to a 'no continuity' narrative with his last film, to set the stage for a return to form after he's out.
    The films will change in tone with the next actor, and the next era will be a soft-reboot, but will they revert to a 'no continuity' narrative? At least, no more continuity-driven than the Connery era?

    I hope so, but I have my doubts.
    It's the best way to retain timelessness, which is what I personally feel they should be striving for with Bond. Also, it allows far more flexibility within an actor's tenure, because if a particular film flops or isn't critically appreciated, they can more readily change course and tone with the next one without being forced into dilly dallying and letting the passage of time make viewers forget it.

    I agree though that it's unlikely given their recent modus operandi, but one can hope. I just think that the lack of an overarching narrative and continuity helps for posterity. After all, it's not like they're making films that are being held up as benchmarks here (at least imho). If they were, then it perhaps would be a different situation.
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