No Time To Die: Production Diary

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  • Apologies for the diversion but....Casino Royale seems no more of a Ford commercial than Thunderball did.

    I mean take a look: One black Lincoln Continental (in Paris), one Ford Thunderbird (Paris), one Ford Fairlane (UK), one baby blue Ford Mustang (Nassau), one blue Lincoln Continental (Nassau). One Ford Falcon (Nassau). It's like an episode of The FBI or other Quinn Martin show (sorry that's a US reference and may not mean as much on the other side of the pond).
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Apologies for the diversion but....Casino Royale seems no more of a Ford commercial than Thunderball did.

    I mean take a look: One black Lincoln Continental (in Paris), one Ford Thunderbird (Paris), one Ford Fairlane (UK), one baby blue Ford Mustang (Nassau), one blue Lincoln Continental (Nassau). One Ford Falcon (Nassau). It's like an episode of The FBI or other Quinn Martin show (sorry that's a US reference and may not mean as much on the other side of the pond).
    True. One of the more egregious instances of a car commercial was in LALD. Watch the Manhattan highway sequence when Bond is travelling to meet Felix. Nearly every car on the road (apart from Whisper's Caddy Pimpmobile) is a Chevy (Impala I think).

    There's also the disgraceful Ka commercial in QoS.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    bondjames wrote: »
    There's also the disgraceful Ka commercial in QoS.
    I believe Olga strongly advertised that one in ties with the Bond franchise, as well.
  • bondjames wrote: »
    Apologies for the diversion but....Casino Royale seems no more of a Ford commercial than Thunderball did.

    I mean take a look: One black Lincoln Continental (in Paris), one Ford Thunderbird (Paris), one Ford Fairlane (UK), one baby blue Ford Mustang (Nassau), one blue Lincoln Continental (Nassau). One Ford Falcon (Nassau). It's like an episode of The FBI or other Quinn Martin show (sorry that's a US reference and may not mean as much on the other side of the pond).
    True. One of the more egregious instances of a car commercial was in LALD. Watch the Manhattan highway sequence when Bond is travelling to meet Felix. Nearly every car on the road (apart from Whisper's Caddy Pimpmobile) is a Chevy (Impala I think).

    There's also the disgraceful Ka commercial in QoS.

    The same model (all the police cars) is used in the car chase in Louisiana, I think.
  • edited February 2018 Posts: 2,115
    bondjames wrote: »
    There's also the disgraceful Ka commercial in QoS.
    I believe Olga strongly advertised that one in ties with the Bond franchise, as well.

    Alan Mulally, the CEO of Ford at the time, mentioned Quantum of Solace at the start of every earnings call in 2008.
  • RC7RC7
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    bondjames wrote: »
    Apologies for the diversion but....Casino Royale seems no more of a Ford commercial than Thunderball did.

    I mean take a look: One black Lincoln Continental (in Paris), one Ford Thunderbird (Paris), one Ford Fairlane (UK), one baby blue Ford Mustang (Nassau), one blue Lincoln Continental (Nassau). One Ford Falcon (Nassau). It's like an episode of The FBI or other Quinn Martin show (sorry that's a US reference and may not mean as much on the other side of the pond).
    True. One of the more egregious instances of a car commercial was in LALD. Watch the Manhattan highway sequence when Bond is travelling to meet Felix. Nearly every car on the road (apart from Whisper's Caddy Pimpmobile) is a Chevy (Impala I think).

    There's also the disgraceful Ka commercial in QoS.

    Yeah, the Ka usage is bloody awful. If you’re going to plump for something as mundane as that, you’ve surely got to do a 2CV job on it. Totally subvert expectations and deliver a knock-out scene that would normally be reserved for the high end motors. (I’m not saying they should’ve done a car chase on top of the PTS, but you know what I mean).
  • edited February 2018 Posts: 5,767
    bondjames wrote: »
    There's also the disgraceful Ka commercial in QoS.
    Great stuff! I love those obvious commercials in Bond films. Nothing disgraceful about it. The opposite in fact.

  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited February 2018 Posts: 23,883
    What's doubly amusing is that Arnold even composed a cutesy little musical number for it too. I wonder if Ford paid for that as well.
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    It will definitely be a letdown if Mendes returns. Perhaps Nolan will have a crack at Bond 26 with a hard or soft reboot? A shame he and Craig haven’t worked together yet. If we don’t get any news by the end of March... panic button.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    Product placement in Bond films went out of style? What exactly was wrong with the use of the Ka in Quantum of Solace?
    quantum-bond-girl-2-large.jpg
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Lovely bird. ;)
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    Back on topic sad to see Nolan out of the running of its Dennis V I will be happy just not mendes
  • RC7RC7
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    Product placement in Bond films went out of style? What exactly was wrong with the use of the Ka in Quantum of Solace?
    quantum-bond-girl-2-large.jpg

    The fact this isn’t a still from the movie is what’s wrong with it!
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
    edited February 2018 Posts: 13,785
    Okay, but Olga's thigh was exposed inside the vehicle, I think.

    Also trying to stay on topic, what's the contemporary desire for product placement acceptable in Bond 25 and 26? (edit)

    None. Avoid brands altogether.
    High end items only.
    Open season, soft drinks to autos to fashion.
    Only established Bond items, return to the Rolex, even.
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    Okay, but Olga's thigh was exposed inside the vehicle, I think.

    Also trying to stay on topic, what's the contemporary desire for product placement acceptable in Bond 26?

    None. Avoid brands altogether.
    High end items only.
    Open season, soft drinks to autos to fashion.
    Only established Bond items, return to the Rolex, even.

    Product placement was good enough for Fleming so it's good for me. I've grown fond of Omega though. Hate the cyclops over the date on Rolex Submariners.
  • RC7RC7
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    Like everything, if the film isn’t great you start to notice the ‘flaws’. The same is true of product placement. If the film is sweeping you along, a lingering brand-approved shot is infinitely less irritating. They’ve generally been pretty decent in their approach since the very beginning, bar a few wayward moments. The DAD Phillishave is one of the moments that sticks out as being trashy.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    JET007 wrote: »
    Okay, but Olga's thigh was exposed inside the vehicle, I think.

    Also trying to stay on topic, what's the contemporary desire for product placement acceptable in Bond 26?

    None. Avoid brands altogether.
    High end items only.
    Open season, soft drinks to autos to fashion.
    Only established Bond items, return to the Rolex, even.

    Product placement was good enough for Fleming so it's good for me. I've grown fond of Omega though. Hate the cyclops over the date on Rolex Submariners.
    I'm the opposite. Since I got a Submariner and realized the functionality of the cyclops magnifier I can't go back to an Omega date model.
  • RC7 wrote: »
    Like everything, if the film isn’t great you start to notice the ‘flaws’. The same is true of product placement. If the film is sweeping you along, a lingering brand-approved shot is infinitely less irritating. They’ve generally been pretty decent in their approach since the very beginning, bar a few wayward moments. The DAD Phillishave is one of the moments that sticks out as being trashy.

    Or it can be great, but if you're watching it for the 50th time (like some of those early Bond films for long-time fans) you're more prone to notice other things. That doesn't apply just to product placement. I watched The Man With the Golden Gun for the first time in a long time. I noticed more of the intricacies of Barry's score. I know some long-time fans who say that's "mediocre John Barry." To me, that's like complaining about a mediocre Picasso.
  • RC7RC7
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    RC7 wrote: »
    Like everything, if the film isn’t great you start to notice the ‘flaws’. The same is true of product placement. If the film is sweeping you along, a lingering brand-approved shot is infinitely less irritating. They’ve generally been pretty decent in their approach since the very beginning, bar a few wayward moments. The DAD Phillishave is one of the moments that sticks out as being trashy.

    Or it can be great, but if you're watching it for the 50th time (like some of those early Bond films for long-time fans) you're more prone to notice other things. That doesn't apply just to product placement. I watched The Man With the Golden Gun for the first time in a long time. I noticed more of the intricacies of Barry's score. I know some long-time fans who say that's "mediocre John Barry." To me, that's like complaining about a mediocre Picasso.

    Completely agree.
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    Mediocre John Barry is phenomenal everyone else.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    It's true. The thing about the James Bond series is that the expectations are justifiably and consistently very high from the fans and even from the general public. This is a series that executed so well in the past, and that is what created and sustained the film legend.

    There is no place for the sort of mediocrity which infects some other 'stop start reboot reset' franchises and that applies to everything, including product placement which must be seamlessly integrated.

    Of course the benchmarks continually move forward as well on account of stiff competition.
  • Posts: 1,917
    Product placement doesn't really bother me. What's worse is when a character is clearly carrying a can of Budweiser and some production person has slapped a label over it that reads "BEER." That used to happen all the time years ago.

    There's also the repeated scenario where a character/characters are in a bar and when asked for their order they just say "beer." The next natural question would be "What brand? Would you like that in a can, bottle, on tap?" Given movies or shows have to keep things moving that's probably why, but it's still a distraction.

    Even LTK was guilty of this in the Barrelhead Bar scene. Think of how much better scenes like when Bond orders Dom Perignon in TB or walks away from the brawl in OHMSS and mutters "Royal Beluga, north of the Caspian," are given those direct connections.

    Product placement also says you're watching something that says one foot in reality and one foot in fantasy and somehow that makes it more accessible. Just my thoughts.
  • Posts: 632
    BT3366 wrote: »
    Product placement doesn't really bother me. What's worse is when a character is clearly carrying a can of Budweiser and some production person has slapped a label over it that reads "BEER." That used to happen all the time years ago.

    There's also the repeated scenario where a character/characters are in a bar and when asked for their order they just say "beer." The next natural question would be "What brand? Would you like that in a can, bottle, on tap?" Given movies or shows have to keep things moving that's probably why, but it's still a distraction.

    Even LTK was guilty of this in the Barrelhead Bar scene. Think of how much better scenes like when Bond orders Dom Perignon in TB or walks away from the brawl in OHMSS and mutters "Royal Beluga, north of the Caspian," are given those direct connections.

    Product placement also says you're watching something that says one foot in reality and one foot in fantasy and somehow that makes it more accessible. Just my thoughts.

    My fiance and I HATE it when someone orders "beer" like there is only one in the world.
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    Okay, but Olga's thigh was exposed inside the vehicle, I think.

    Also trying to stay on topic, what's the contemporary desire for product placement acceptable in Bond 25 and 26? (edit)

    None. Avoid brands altogether.
    High end items only.
    Open season, soft drinks to autos to fashion.
    Only established Bond items, return to the Rolex, even.
    Anything that´s put into a scene that evokes holiday flair.
    Or basically anything if it´s filmed with style. Commercials often have the best visuals, that´s why they are commercials, and that´s what I don´t mind in any Bond film.
    I don´t mind beer but didn´t find the beer scene in SF particularly stylish.

  • Posts: 5,767
    RC7 wrote: »
    Like everything, if the film isn’t great you start to notice the ‘flaws’. The same is true of product placement. If the film is sweeping you along, a lingering brand-approved shot is infinitely less irritating. They’ve generally been pretty decent in their approach since the very beginning, bar a few wayward moments. The DAD Phillishave is one of the moments that sticks out as being trashy.

    Or it can be great, but if you're watching it for the 50th time (like some of those early Bond films for long-time fans) you're more prone to notice other things. That doesn't apply just to product placement. I watched The Man With the Golden Gun for the first time in a long time. I noticed more of the intricacies of Barry's score. I know some long-time fans who say that's "mediocre John Barry." To me, that's like complaining about a mediocre Picasso.
    All the comments I read on these boards were of the opinion that TMWTGG is an excellent score, and I concur.

  • mattjoesmattjoes Julie T. and the M.G.'s
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    talos7 wrote: »
    I love the look of CR; it has a vibrancy that harkens back to the 60’s films.
    With that said, I hate the “Ford Commercial” in Nassau; it’s very heavy handed product placement.
    I like that part. In a way it contributes to creating this feeling of the high life CR has. It's time to go back to that, by the way.

    boldfinger wrote: »
    RC7 wrote: »
    Like everything, if the film isn’t great you start to notice the ‘flaws’. The same is true of product placement. If the film is sweeping you along, a lingering brand-approved shot is infinitely less irritating. They’ve generally been pretty decent in their approach since the very beginning, bar a few wayward moments. The DAD Phillishave is one of the moments that sticks out as being trashy.

    Or it can be great, but if you're watching it for the 50th time (like some of those early Bond films for long-time fans) you're more prone to notice other things. That doesn't apply just to product placement. I watched The Man With the Golden Gun for the first time in a long time. I noticed more of the intricacies of Barry's score. I know some long-time fans who say that's "mediocre John Barry." To me, that's like complaining about a mediocre Picasso.
    All the comments I read on these boards were of the opinion that TMWTGG is an excellent score, and I concur.
    Me too.
  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
    edited February 2018 Posts: 3,157
    The thing with TMWTGG is that Barry had to write the music in a short amount of time and he had to weave the theme song everywhere into the score. But it is a pretty good score, nonetheless.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    I really enjoy the TMWTGG score. It's a bit avant-garde imho, but quite satisfying. As always, Barry came up with something which matched the tone of the film to perfection.
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    bondjames wrote: »
    I really enjoy the TMWTGG score. It's a bit avant-garde imho, but quite satisfying. As always, Barry came up with something which matched the tone of the film to perfection.

    I listen to it regularly. Nice score to put on in the background, nice score to listen closely to.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Rich Douglas made a cool remix of the music from TMWTGG 7 years ago. Worth a listen.
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