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This time around there was a complete narrative arc which we were told to believe (no matter how incredulous it may seem).
Like I said, I'm really not bothered. Just explaining what will impact some viewers. Others who embrace this iteration will of course choose to willfully absorb anything they throw at us.
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EDIT: Thanks for that @Calliope. That's great news. So we can rest assured that we are still on track for a Bond film by November 2019.
Lily was Debora in BABY DRIVER last year. Also played Cinderella a few years back. She'd be a fantastic Bond girl.
"When I watch CR these days, it's difficult not to think of Waltz or even Seydoux. Believe me such thoughts aren't welcome and soil the viewing experience."
And I think those that do enjoy this era, @bondjames, do not absorb anything thrown at us. I've been clear of my own issues with SP. So have many other fans of this era, RC7 being the most recent member to do so.
We're just not hysterical about the faults of one movie in one era, which is a part of a 24 film library, as some have been in recent days.
Just not for this Bond. Keep her on ice for B26.
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@peter, again I believe you might be misunderstanding me. When I said not bothered, I'm talking about B25. I've already resigned myself to how I view SP and what impact it's had on my opinion of the Craig era, including its impact on earlier films. What I expect them to do now is try to close it out properly, which they didn't do in SP imho. So if they include continuity again I wouldn't be bothered about it. They can only improve the situation from here on in, by cleaning up the experience of SP and helping me to view the entire Craig arc in a more respectable manner.
I wasn't talking about you when I was referring to some lapping up the Craig era. I meant in general there are some who will lap up anything that's dished at them. In fact, I'm glad to learn that isn't you. It's good to be critical from time to time. I quite agree that hysterical behaviour is really uncalled for, but thankfully I haven't seen much of that here. Just members voicing their thoughts on direction, as they are entitled to do.
All right, those are fair points.
2. But not everyone is Spielberg.
3. Clint Eastwood also directed a few films, in rapid succession. Steven Soderbergh did Full Frontal and Solaris, back-to-back (both underrated films, imho).
4. My guess is that Newman will be replaced. Daniel Pemberton's name has bounced around on these boards. Boyle collaborated with Arnold on the 2012 Olympics, so there is that. It is also possible that Boyle would go in a whole new direction: Rupert Gregson-Williams, perhaps?
If I’m not mistaken, one of the articles said Boyle didn’t think EoN would like the pitch, and was surprised when the feedback was positive. This leads me to believe that the story is a 180 turn on anything they were working with previously.
Taking into account that EoN knows they delivered something sub-par, my guess would be this story takes place quite a bit away from the happenings of SP.
Also, the general audience won’t remember the events from SP. To them, it’s just another Bond film (in fact I have friends asking: which one was that again? and often muddle SP with SF).
My guess, just a guess, SP is long gone.
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@peter, no worries. That's fine if they go that route. Probably for the best as you say so as not to remind the general audience, although just speaking for my friends and family, they all do in fact see the Craig arc to date as one whole story. They bought into what SP sold. They weren't upset about it as I was. Just indifferent. They don't go out of their way to revisit the films anyway.
Wow, that's a controversial opinion about QoS! It doesn't seem fanboyish to me. They had some great ideas and scenes (primarily Mathis, the opera scene, and that ending--wonderful). While I doubt that even a non-rushed QoS would reach the heights of CR, it could have come close. Maybe.
Hopefully better than Beckinsale. Pretty to look at, but she always has that same expressionless look.
I fixed that for you. QoS may have many flaws, but being a fan movie? Which fan would actually come with that? Most fans would avoid continuity, add gadgets, have the Bond theme play more often, and add Moneypenny and Q to the gadget.
Now here’s where I get all artsy-fartsy:I too believe that 25 will also be connected. But not by the events from Bond’s movielife, but more from the character himself. This may not be what people are hoping for (and this is just a general guess on my part, not my own hopes either), but there is no value for EoN to ever mention SP, or even the other films for that matter; just having DC as Bond already there, generally does that. He is the Spine to all these stories.
And then taking into account that Boyle was surprised at the positive reception to his pitch, I have to believe he’s going to stretch what’s left of DC-Bond; and that won’t be retracing steps from his past. But pushing him on, and through his character and actions, we will have a bookend where this Bond, maybe on his last mission, has to find the big picture again... and through these final actions, he saves the day, “and what little of” him is left.
And in a similar way to MOONRAKER, the novel, DC-Bond, using a cane and recovering from his injuries walks away.
General, muddy, and I may be way off base, but I can’t see Boyle wanting to continue shoehorning (that already exists with DC’s presence), but pushing the character FORWARD to properly give the era its bookend.
I can only imagine that Boyle's take is even more off beat. As I said some pages back, given EON's penchant for following trends, I wouldn't be surprised if we get a more colourful and zany (apparently something Boyle could do) take on Bond, similar to what Taika Waititi did so successfully with Thor Ragnarok, which was an outsize hit from the end of last year. I'm watching it as I type this and it's a total blast. A reboot in tone without rebooting.
Let's see. We don't even know if this touted idea is going to get approved yet.
The past is prologue. Forster got to move the gunbarrel and hire MK2. Mendes got to move the gunbarrel and kill M (to great success). Mendes got to insert a cliche in the middle of the gunbarrel and neuter Blofeld.
The producers choose to take a back seat to the director. The (very) safe money is on Academy Award winner Boyle being hired. To do otherwise would be an embarrassment to Eon.
Definitely so. I'm looking forward to what Boyle/Hodge come up with. Just the novelty of it all is a welcome change from the last almost 10 years.
Hope he does a better job than Mendes
I see your point, but there's a limit to how alive-feeling he can make this one given that he has to incorporate Daniel Craig somewhere.
For me his other big strength is that he likes to tell a proper story - also something we haven’t seen since CR. The plot is always the core of his films rather than an afterthought. And because he has a strong narrative to tell he can twist and play with that narrative which he does expertly.
The likelihood is that B25 will be a standalone. I'm sure that it's been mentioned that Boyle already had this germ of an idea kicking around in his head long before Spectre went into production, but wasn't entirely convinced he was the right man to direct a Bond movie, so the idea just stayed safely tucked away in his head. That was, until there appeared to be problems with B25 and which direction the series should take next.
I'm guessing that B25 will be set quite a few years hence forth from Spectre and won't be acting as a continuation piece. There might be a minor discussion between characters (maybe between Bond's new lady) alluding to the breakup of his previous relationship with Madeleine Swann, but I think it will be mostly glossed over and not get in the way of the new story. More a case of tell, not so much show. There's no need to mention Blofeld as he's safely behind bars, ready to abscond and resurface at a later date, should they need him for a future 007 movie.
Alarm bells ringing here.
He's gone in thinking they're never going to go with this but then they have because no idea is too shit any more.
Could be anything from Bond having a sex change to become a woman by the end of it ready for B26 to Daniel tracking Waltz down to a log cabin where the film then cuts back and forth between them as kids filling in the backstory before a Holmes & Moriaty fight to the death over the glacier from the novel.
Anything anyone puts on the table now EON could conceivably green light.
Agreed. This could be a red flag.