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  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    boldfinger wrote: »
    So one could say that Eon live the idea of the traitor from within, making its numerous appearances in the films seem to be based on a subconscious psychological background.
    An insightful observation, particularly in the context of McClory.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    Yes, there are a bunch of ideas that have been in circulation now since the Dalton era and early Brosnan days, that need to be retired at least for the forseeable future. Bond going rogue, a revenge plot, the personal angles, Bond and 007 section fighting for relevancy, the traitor from within etc. There is simply no way to evolve beyond these ideas except to return to how is was before this all started happening. Ironically, the bold, daring move in this day and age is delivering a traditional spy adventure exactly like how the franchise started.
  • fjdinardofjdinardo
    Posts: 1,970
    AUF would of been a great Bond movie. I take that over DAD as a story any day.
  • Last_Rat_StandingLast_Rat_Standing Long Neck Ice Cold Beer Never Broke My Heart
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    fjdinardo wrote: »
    AUF would of been a great Bond movie. I take that over DAD as a story any day.

    It had it's moments. But not enough for a full fledged film. EON had a better story than DAD.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    Both great games, but either would make terrible films.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    DAD isn't half as bad as people credit it for.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    DAD isn't half as bad as people credit it for.

    I agree.

  • Last_Rat_StandingLast_Rat_Standing Long Neck Ice Cold Beer Never Broke My Heart
    Posts: 4,581
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    DAD isn't half as bad as people credit it for.

    You're right. Only the first half is good
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    Posts: 24,169
    DAD can be a lot of fun and it gets better every year.
  • thelivingroyalethelivingroyale
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    Yeah I think DAD is one of the most easily watchable Bond films when you take it for what it is. It's stupid but that's part of its appeal.
    jake24 wrote: »
    Both great games, but either would make terrible films.

    I agree. Now, Nightfire on the other hand...
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    DAD can be a lot of fun and it gets better every year.
    Thank you!
  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
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    ToTheRight wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    2019 means a new Bond actor in my view.

    It would kind of be a waste otherwise. I can imagine a 4 year gap for a final Craig in 2019, then a 4 year gap just for Eon to take another much needed break, and recast. By the time the 7th Bond actor gets his debut in cinemas it will have been a full eight years since SP.
    Not to mention by then we'll most likely get yet another Bond film that seems to need to prove 007 is still relevant. That got old after GE.

    I say start over now then have to do it later just kick Craig out the door find a new actor and get on with it
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    007Blofeld wrote: »
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    2019 means a new Bond actor in my view.

    It would kind of be a waste otherwise. I can imagine a 4 year gap for a final Craig in 2019, then a 4 year gap just for Eon to take another much needed break, and recast. By the time the 7th Bond actor gets his debut in cinemas it will have been a full eight years since SP.
    Not to mention by then we'll most likely get yet another Bond film that seems to need to prove 007 is still relevant. That got old after GE.

    I say start over now then have to do it later just kick Craig out the door find a new actor and get on with it

    There will be plenty of pressure to move on. They need to start with a new distributor on the right foot, and if Craig is in no hurry, EON can't hang around. I wouldn't put it past them usually, but in this case they have to keep the distributor happy.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Perhaps MGM is indeed building itself back to original form so they can distribute the Bond films on their own again.
  • GetafixGetafix
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    You know a thread is running on fumes when it becomes a focus for rehabilitating DAD
  • Some_Kind_Of_HeroSome_Kind_Of_Hero
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    Getafix wrote: »
    You know a thread is running on fumes when it becomes a focus for rehabilitating DAD

    She's got some life in her yet. Will you hand me that hammer there, @Getafix?

    No, the bigger one. The sledge.
  • Perilagu_KhanPerilagu_Khan
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    DAD can be a lot of fun and it gets better every year.

    Somewhere C. Bong is kicking up his heels in sheer delight...
  • timmertimmer
    edited July 2017 Posts: 4,622
    Perilagu_Khan wrote: »
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    DAD can be a lot of fun and it gets better every year.

    Somewhere C. Bong is kicking up his heels in sheer delight...

    Now there"s a blast from the past!
    Speaking of DAD, if Babs would just "put her back into it" maybe we could get a new film by 2018!

    Sorry, that's my favourite line from DAD.

    But seriously, dear Barbara, heir to Cubby, the franchise resides in your capable hands!
    Please, rescue it from the cliff it seems to be so perilously hanging from.
    Do fashion that parasail and save the day!

    "The children will be so thrilled"
  • MrcogginsMrcoggins Following in the footsteps of Quentin Quigley.
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    800 pages in and nothing much to report !
    News will be along sometime, soon maybe sooner than later.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    Mrcoggins wrote: »
    800 pages in and nothing much to report !
    News will be along sometime, soon maybe sooner than later.

    I don't mind the wait. Bond 25 will be a truly special film, and like any important event, it will take time. Not only can we expect a better product if more time is spent on the preparation and execution, but the gap is a great means of building natural anticipation.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    Bond 25 will be a truly special film, and like any important event, it will take time.

    Bond fans by now ought to know better than to blindly subscribe to such thinking. Needing time isn't really the issue. EoN's problem is more fundamental than that. In any case I'll believe Bond 25 will be special when AND only when I see it.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    doubleoego wrote: »
    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    Bond 25 will be a truly special film, and like any important event, it will take time.

    Bond fans by now ought to know better than to blindly subscribe to such thinking. Needing time isn't really the issue. EoN's problem is more fundamental than that. In any case I'll believe Bond 25 will be special when AND only when I see it.

    Yes, EON's problems are fundamental, which is why they need time to fix them. They need to go back to the drawing board in a lot of ways, and that, well, takes time. There's no other way about it. And Bond 25 will certainly be special, for no other reason than it has to be. They can't afford mistakes, not this time.
  • Some_Kind_Of_HeroSome_Kind_Of_Hero
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    Trouble is, EON has demonstrated time and time again (no pun intended) that amount of time between projects has no bearing upon the quality of the end product. They've turned out brilliant films in as few as 2 years and sorely disappointing films in 3-4 years (and vice versa). They don't need time. They need the right people with the right ideas and the right vision.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    edited July 2017 Posts: 6,287
    In the modern era, though, longer hiatuses have resulted in better films. And a good Bond film often follows a mediocre one. So Bond 25 will have both of those in its favor.
  • Some_Kind_Of_HeroSome_Kind_Of_Hero
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    echo wrote: »
    In the modern era, though, longer hiatuses have resulted in better films. And a good Bond film often follows a mediocre one. So Bond 25 will have both of those in its favor.

    I suppose that depends who you ask. In favor of your view, the ubiquitously popular GoldenEye and Casino Royale came out after two long hiatuses. And we do feel due for a tonal shift, which is promising.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    Some_Kind_Of_Hero wrote: »
    Trouble is, EON has demonstrated time and time again (no pun intended) that amount of time between projects has no bearing upon the quality of the end product. They've turned out brilliant films in as few as 2 years and sorely disappointing films in 3-4 years (and vice versa). They don't need time. They need the right people with the right ideas and the right vision.

    This.

    The extra year waiting for Mendes was well spent wasn't it?

    The two best things they can do from here are:

    1. Monitor and supervise whoever is writing the script rather than assuming it will be alright on the night.

    2. If they must have everything connected going forward then plan it properly rather than making it up as you go along and reverse engineering it all.

  • mattjoesmattjoes Julie T. and the M.G.'s
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    It is indeed a matter of opinion. In my view, Spectre was a big improvement over Skyfall, flaws and all.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    edited July 2017 Posts: 6,287
    TheWizardOfIce wrote: »
    Some_Kind_Of_Hero wrote: »
    Trouble is, EON has demonstrated time and time again (no pun intended) that amount of time between projects has no bearing upon the quality of the end product. They've turned out brilliant films in as few as 2 years and sorely disappointing films in 3-4 years (and vice versa). They don't need time. They need the right people with the right ideas and the right vision.

    This.

    The extra year waiting for Mendes was well spent wasn't it?

    The two best things they can do from here are:

    1. Monitor and supervise whoever is writing the script rather than assuming it will be alright on the night.

    2. If they must have everything connected going forward then plan it properly rather than making it up as you go along and reverse engineering it all.

    Yes. I was reading some old articles about TSWLM and it is clear that during that hiatus, Cubby hired many, many writers to hammer out the story. I don't understand why they don't put their efforts predominantly there this time, and every time.

    Cubby was insistent that the most important thing was to figure out the villain and his or her scheme. That's the area where the recent scripts have been lacking.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
    Posts: 11,139
    Some_Kind_Of_Hero wrote: »
    Trouble is, EON has demonstrated time and time again (no pun intended) that amount of time between projects has no bearing upon the quality of the end product. They've turned out brilliant films in as few as 2 years and sorely disappointing films in 3-4 years (and vice versa). They don't need time. They need the right people with the right ideas and the right vision.

    Bingo! Thank you.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    echo wrote: »
    TheWizardOfIce wrote: »
    Some_Kind_Of_Hero wrote: »
    Trouble is, EON has demonstrated time and time again (no pun intended) that amount of time between projects has no bearing upon the quality of the end product. They've turned out brilliant films in as few as 2 years and sorely disappointing films in 3-4 years (and vice versa). They don't need time. They need the right people with the right ideas and the right vision.

    This.

    The extra year waiting for Mendes was well spent wasn't it?

    The two best things they can do from here are:

    1. Monitor and supervise whoever is writing the script rather than assuming it will be alright on the night.

    2. If they must have everything connected going forward then plan it properly rather than making it up as you go along and reverse engineering it all.

    Yes. I was reading some old articles about TSWLM and it is clear that during that hiatus, Cubby hired many, many writers to hammer out the story. I don't understand why they don't put their efforts predominantly there this time, and every time.

    Cubby was insistent that the most important thing was to figure out the villain and his or her scheme. That's the area where the recent scripts have been lacking.

    Given MGW has been taking a back seat recently why don't they create a new less demanding position for him in a 'director of football' role where he oversees script development?

    Babs and Gregg (I'd prefer someone else but there's no point crying over spilled milk) would do producing duties and MGW would supervise the writers and do a bit of polishing of the script.

    It's ludicrous that the guy with the most Bond screenwriting talent on the firm hasn't done any writing duties since 1989.
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