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  • antovolk wrote: »
    Roadphill wrote: »
    The whole "Craig's arc" thing is really bemusing to me. Surely the character of Bond can have no arc as such. To have one is to suggest there is a finite end, and correct me if I am wrong, the view of the fans, critics and probably the major studios, is that the Bond franchise is almost infinite.

    Unless we get another reboot, which I personally would despise.

    Well isn't there a reboot technically every time a new actor is cast?

    Anyway all this would mean is - new cast top to bottom for once Craig leaves. A reboot doesn't mean they have to do Casino Royale AGAIN, unlike what a few people seem to think. And they just ignore the events of CR-SPECTRE as they happened in the Craig era.

    I believe audiences today are more demanding of continuity, for EON to try to go back to the old way after what they've done from CR-SPECTRE would be incredibly disingenuous. After Craig's gone there must be a reboot - and then they can try go back to the old loose continuity method.

    I don't think so, I think Craig's CR is the only reboot because it takes him back to the beginning of his career and gives him his own arc. Goldeneye wasn't a reboot.

    And it could be argued that CR isn't a reboot really ether because there was no chronology preceding it. Just IMO. Every actor has had various missions throughout the characters career, Craig just happened to get the first one.

    Casino Royale is a beboot. Michael G. Wilson said they were starting over. Video from 2012 event:



    Starting at 14:00 mark: "After the fourth Brosnan film in 2002, Barbara and I felt stuck...We were uncomfortable in the direction the series was going....Barbara asked me what I wanted to do. I said, 'I wanted to start all over again.'"....She said, 'That's exactly what I wanted to do.'"
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    I'm hoping Yann Demange will have the balls to
    bring back Eric Serra. ;)
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited July 2017 Posts: 23,883
    Casino Royale is a beboot. Michael G. Wilson said they were starting over. Video from 2012 event:

    "After the fourth Brosnan film in 2002, Barbara and I felt stuck...We were uncomfortable in the direction the series was going....Barbara asked me what I wanted to do. I said, 'I wanted to start all over again.'"....She said, 'That's exactly what I wanted to do.'"
    I'm glad we weren't the only ones to realize things had descended into a pit. I hope they retain such foresight.
  • Thunderball007Thunderball007 United States
    edited July 2017 Posts: 306
    bondjames wrote: »
    Wishing for a.. Bright, colorful, breezy adventure. Exotic locations. Pacing, musical score, and tone similar to Casino Royale.

    Anyone else think like this?
    Definitely my choice too (CR prior to the third act).

    Hoping for the best.

    Awesome!

    Me, too.
  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
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    Wishing for a.. Bright, colorful, breezy adventure. Exotic locations. Pacing, musical score, and tone similar to Casino Royale.

    Anyone else think like this?

    To me, these seem mutually exclusive: "Bright, colorful, breezy adventure" and "tone similar to Casino Royale"
  • Thunderball007Thunderball007 United States
    Posts: 306
    @TripAces

    How so? :p
  • peterpeter Toronto
    Posts: 9,509
    bondjames wrote: »
    Wishing for a.. Bright, colorful, breezy adventure. Exotic locations. Pacing, musical score, and tone similar to Casino Royale.

    Anyone else think like this?
    Definitely my choice too (CR prior to the third act).

    Hoping for the best.

    @bondjames, third act?? Don't you mean fourth???

    (Third act would be after Bond wins and ends when LeChiffre is killed)

    And, yes, this fourth Act, which shouldn't work, is why I love CR-- but that's just me (everything other than the falling off the bed, after racing in when the rain drenches the couple)
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    Posts: 23,883
    peter wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    Wishing for a.. Bright, colorful, breezy adventure. Exotic locations. Pacing, musical score, and tone similar to Casino Royale.

    Anyone else think like this?
    Definitely my choice too (CR prior to the third act).

    Hoping for the best.

    @bondjames, third act?? Don't you mean fourth???

    (Third act would be after Bond wins and ends when LeChiffre is killed)

    And, yes, this fourth Act, which shouldn't work, is why I love CR-- but that's just me (everything other than the falling off the bed, after racing in when the rain drenches the couple)
    No @peter, I do mean end of the third act.

    I wouldn't want something so intense as the ball whacker scene in B25. We already had a somewhat gratuitous torture sequence in SP after all.

    I'd prefer if they dial back the 'near death' violence and go for the tone they had up to and including Bond winning the card game. It was real, grounded, and had a nice balance of traditional Bondian style, class, humour and glamour. I liked the fast start followed by the slower more 'old school' pace as the film progressed as well.
  • Thunderball007Thunderball007 United States
    Posts: 306
    antovolk wrote: »
    Roadphill wrote: »
    The whole "Craig's arc" thing is really bemusing to me. Surely the character of Bond can have no arc as such. To have one is to suggest there is a finite end, and correct me if I am wrong, the view of the fans, critics and probably the major studios, is that the Bond franchise is almost infinite.

    Unless we get another reboot, which I personally would despise.

    Well isn't there a reboot technically every time a new actor is cast?

    Anyway all this would mean is - new cast top to bottom for once Craig leaves. A reboot doesn't mean they have to do Casino Royale AGAIN, unlike what a few people seem to think. And they just ignore the events of CR-SPECTRE as they happened in the Craig era.

    I believe audiences today are more demanding of continuity, for EON to try to go back to the old way after what they've done from CR-SPECTRE would be incredibly disingenuous. After Craig's gone there must be a reboot - and then they can try go back to the old loose continuity method.

    I don't think so, I think Craig's CR is the only reboot because it takes him back to the beginning of his career and gives him his own arc. Goldeneye wasn't a reboot.

    And it could be argued that CR isn't a reboot really ether because there was no chronology preceding it. Just IMO. Every actor has had various missions throughout the characters career, Craig just happened to get the first one.

    Casino Royale is a beboot. Michael G. Wilson said they were starting over. Video from 2012 event:



    Starting at 14:00 mark: "After the fourth Brosnan film in 2002, Barbara and I felt stuck...We were uncomfortable in the direction the series was going....Barbara asked me what I wanted to do. I said, 'I wanted to start all over again.'"....She said, 'That's exactly what I wanted to do.'"

    The direction, such as gene therapy? Rough CGI surfing? :p

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    bondjames wrote: »
    What a horrific idea! Babs and MGW have my respect for vetoing that!

    Shame they couldn't be so discerning when it came to Bond's brother.

    +1
    Blofeld as Bond's step-brother is a much worse idea, IMO.

    Except Bond and Blofeld are NOT brothers.

    Bond only spent around six or seven months with the Oberhausers over two consecutive winters. While under Hannes' temporary guardianship he told his son Franz to TREAT James LIKE a little brother which Franz despised. It's the equivalent of spending the summers at your Grandparents and having to put up with a bratty cousin who's jealous of you.

    Bond's presence clearly has a big impact on Blofeld but brothers they are not. After murdering his father and faking his own death I doubt Blofeld gave much thought to Bond anymore, until Bond crossed his path again.

    Personally as a different take on the Bond and Blofeld relationship it doesn't bother me at all. The joy I felt when Franz revealed who he really was. The seed had been planted in Casino Royale with Mr. White mentioning "My organization...", for me it was a clear indication that Spectre and Blofeld were coming back. Now that he's back I hope they double down on Bond and Blofeld's relationship to finish Craig's story arc. I don't want to see another fiasco where they abandon the OHMSS storyline in Diamond Are Forever. Finish what you started.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    Dubrovnik, was mentioned months ago.
  • edited July 2017 Posts: 386
    I loved the poker in CR, we need more of that savoir faire.

    More yoghurt, figs and coffee (very black) dammit!

    "Two tickets. The usual box."
  • Thunderball007Thunderball007 United States
    Posts: 306
    @GetCarter

    I love that poker, too.
  • BMW_with_missilesBMW_with_missiles All the usual refinements.
    Posts: 3,000
    Gobi-1 wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    What a horrific idea! Babs and MGW have my respect for vetoing that!

    Shame they couldn't be so discerning when it came to Bond's brother.

    +1
    Blofeld as Bond's step-brother is a much worse idea, IMO.

    Except Bond and Blofeld are NOT brothers.

    Bond only spent around six or seven months with the Oberhausers over two consecutive winters. While under Hannes' temporary guardianship he told his son Franz to TREAT James LIKE a little brother which Franz despised. It's the equivalent of spending the summers at your Grandparents and having to put up with a bratty cousin who's jealous of you.


    Which makes it all the more ridiculous that Blofeld wanted revenge against Bond for something so small.
    Gobi-1 wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    What a horrific idea! Babs and MGW have my respect for vetoing that!

    Shame they couldn't be so discerning when it came to Bond's brother.

    +1
    Blofeld as Bond's step-brother is a much worse idea, IMO.

    Bond's presence clearly has a big impact on Blofeld but brothers they are not. After murdering his father and faking his own death I doubt Blofeld gave much thought to Bond anymore, until Bond crossed his path again.

    But Franz' reason for wanting to kill his father was jealousy over his favorable treatment of Bond. The way the story is told in SP it makes it sound as though Blofeld's life mission is to get revenge on Bond; "author of all your pain" and all that. I believe that is the impression the writers wanted us to have, and it stinks.
  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
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    =bg= wrote: »

    I hope this is just usually tabloid garbage it probably is
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    More than likely, but it's got a couple things right , so you never know.
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    Croatia sounds like a great location for the next one IMO. Also I'm mixed about having an original villain - if Blofeld is totally excluded - but perhaps it will work out? I don't know I'm not totally loving or disliking this rumor myself. Definitely like the Croatia part.
  • Thunderball007Thunderball007 United States
    edited July 2017 Posts: 306
    Hadn't Norway been a rumored location for SPECTRE a few years ago?

    What of Norway?
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
    Posts: 8,195
    Well, 007 is a globetrotter .
  • Posts: 11,119
    This is actually interesting news:
    https://hmssweblog.wordpress.com/2017/07/29/mirror-says-bond-25-benson-novel/

    Well, and if true, every Bond fan's ultimate wet dream. If the working title is "Shatterhand" and if Bond 25 will be based on "You Only Live Twice" and Raymond Benson's "Never Dream Of Dying", then I think it's not only a great idea, but also a logical one.

    We already knew how creatively uninspiring Neal Purvis and Robert Wade sounded recently. Adapting a continuation novel could very well bring the necessary inspiration and creativity back on the writing table.
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    Roadphill wrote: »

    Thanks. I had read about it a while ago but wonder if it still stands. Would make sense for Waltz: he'd have a secure revenue for a few years to come.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    By the way, has this been posted before? The article dates back to February 2017 but apparently, Chad Stahelski of the John Wick fame had expressed a desire to do a Bond film.

    http://movieweb.com/james-bond-25-director-chad-stahelski/

    TRIVIA (I just found out!): Chad Stahelski previously worked as the stunt motion capture performer on the PlayStation port of The World Is Not Enough, the video game adaptation.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    Gobi-1 wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    What a horrific idea! Babs and MGW have my respect for vetoing that!

    Shame they couldn't be so discerning when it came to Bond's brother.

    +1
    Blofeld as Bond's step-brother is a much worse idea, IMO.

    Except Bond and Blofeld are NOT brothers.

    Bond only spent around six or seven months with the Oberhausers over two consecutive winters. While under Hannes' temporary guardianship he told his son Franz to TREAT James LIKE a little brother which Franz despised. It's the equivalent of spending the summers at your Grandparents and having to put up with a bratty cousin who's jealous of you.

    Thanks for clarifying the difference between 'brother' and 'foster brother' for us but it matters not a jot.
    If they had said Andrew and Monique met in in the Alps aged 16 and had a baby out of wedlock but their kindly ski instructor Hannes Oberhauser, whose wife couldn't have children, offered to bring it up as his own so they could avoid a scandal thus making Franz Bond's blood brother it could hardly have been worse (actually that is a lot worse but anyway).

    The point is that there shouldn't be any link at all. The real Blofeld (the one some bloke called Fleming wrote about) was the greatest criminal in the world. This one is just a petulant teenager angry because someone stole away his father's love. He needs a therapist not choking to death while wearing a kimono.
    Gobi-1 wrote: »
    Personally as a different take on the Bond and Blofeld relationship it doesn't bother me at all. The joy I felt when Franz revealed who he really was. The seed had been planted in Casino Royale with Mr. White mentioning "My organization...", for me it was a clear indication that Spectre and Blofeld were coming back. Now that he's back I hope they double down on Bond and Blofeld's relationship to finish Craig's story arc. I don't want to see another fiasco where they abandon the OHMSS storyline in Diamond Are Forever. Finish what you started.

    'Joy'??? Jesus.

    And what seed had been planted? They made up an organisation to replace the role of SMERSH in CR and carried it into QOS that's all.

    When QOS was perceived as a bit of a damp squib they totally ignored it for SF. But then suddenly Mclory dies and they can get the rights to SPECTRE. Which they then went and royally botched because IMO they were worried SP might be Craig's last film and couldn't bear for him not to have a showdown with Blofeld.

    But let's not buy into this laughable rewriting of history notion that it was a grand plan when we all know they made it up on the spot once they had the rights.

    Actually the thought that this was all planned in advance is even more terrifying. It's one thing trying to retrofit it all together but if building to the narrative shambles that was SP was their masterplan from 2006 then we are in worse trouble than I thought.
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    What do you think @bondjames and @RC7 about the news of Bond 25 having the working title "Shatterhand", and being based on "You Only Live Twice" and Raymond Benson's "Never Dream Of Dying"? Personally, this news makes me a bit more enthusiastic. I think it's a logical idea to now use the continuation novels as inspiration.
  • mattjoesmattjoes Julie T. and the M.G.'s
    edited July 2017 Posts: 7,020
    bondjames wrote: »
    What a horrific idea! Babs and MGW have my respect for vetoing that!

    No kids in a Bond film please. Unless they are thrown off a boat in Thailand.

    Strangely enough, due to DirecTV's horrible plot summaries, I thought the story of TWINE was going to be something similar before I first saw it. The description was; "Bond protects the daughter of a late friend," and I thought it meant a young daughter. Terrible synopsis, but I liked the idea of Bond showing a softer side with the girl, while at the same time viciously pursuing/killing those trying to harm her.

    Back in the day, I read the same thing about the plot. In fact, it also said Bond would quit the secret service. Was that rumored to be the story of the film?
    peter wrote: »
    QoS was mired by a writer's strike @AlexanderWaverly

    Before the strike, Marc Forster threw out what work had been done before his arrival and work started anew.

    https://editorial.rottentomatoes.com/article/a-james-bond-set-visit-and-seven-exclusive-quantum-of-solace-images/

    Forster and Wilson both revealed that an earlier idea for the film was scrapped when Forster came aboard to helm. ***“Once I signed on to do it we pretty much developed the script from scratch because I felt that it wasn’t the movie I wanted to make*** and we started with Paul Haggis [the Oscar winner who rewrote Casino Royale] from scratch,” Forster recalled. **“And I said to him these are the topics I am interested in this is what I would like to say, what’s important to me.*** And we developed it from there together. Then Barbara and Michael said they liked where we were going and they liked the script.”

    (emphasis added).

    What's with all the importance given to these directors? Can't these guys just take the script and shoot it?
    Gobi-1 wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    What a horrific idea! Babs and MGW have my respect for vetoing that!

    Shame they couldn't be so discerning when it came to Bond's brother.

    +1
    Blofeld as Bond's step-brother is a much worse idea, IMO.

    Except Bond and Blofeld are NOT brothers.

    Bond only spent around six or seven months with the Oberhausers over two consecutive winters. While under Hannes' temporary guardianship he told his son Franz to TREAT James LIKE a little brother which Franz despised. It's the equivalent of spending the summers at your Grandparents and having to put up with a bratty cousin who's jealous of you.


    Which makes it all the more ridiculous that Blofeld wanted revenge against Bond for something so small.
    Gobi-1 wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    What a horrific idea! Babs and MGW have my respect for vetoing that!

    Shame they couldn't be so discerning when it came to Bond's brother.

    +1
    Blofeld as Bond's step-brother is a much worse idea, IMO.

    Bond's presence clearly has a big impact on Blofeld but brothers they are not. After murdering his father and faking his own death I doubt Blofeld gave much thought to Bond anymore, until Bond crossed his path again.

    But Franz' reason for wanting to kill his father was jealousy over his favorable treatment of Bond. The way the story is told in SP it makes it sound as though Blofeld's life mission is to get revenge on Bond; "author of all your pain" and all that. I believe that is the impression the writers wanted us to have, and it stinks.

    The relationship between Bond and Blofeld is handled in a unsatisfying, muddled way. On one hand, Blofeld says Bond "is, in a way, responsible for the path I took", and it is established that the relationship between Bond and Hannes Oberhauser was what triggered his psychosis, with Blofeld then proudly claiming he's "the author of all your pain", implying a certain desire for revenge. On the other hand, he also says to Bond that "you interfered in my world, I destroyed yours", making it sound as if for Blofeld, Bond is a nuisance, a small pester. So it is as if they want to simultaneously play up and play down Blofeld's desire for revenge on Bond and Bond's importance in influencing Blofeld's career choice. As if they wanted a big dramatic reveal but were embarrassed by it.
  • M_BaljeM_Balje Amsterdam, Netherlands
    edited July 2017 Posts: 4,512
    Oberhouser is used by his father.

    Same thing as Mr White said about Vesper in QOS and be on subtil way showed in Spectre maintile. Octopus take Bond his gun and shoot.

    If that is to difficult, then always refer to fames qoute of Goldfinger but with a twist. You expect me to die, no Mr Bond...

    Words are peoples best friend. This is why silence in meeting is so good..
  • BMW_with_missilesBMW_with_missiles All the usual refinements.
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    mattjoes wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    What a horrific idea! Babs and MGW have my respect for vetoing that!

    No kids in a Bond film please. Unless they are thrown off a boat in Thailand.

    Strangely enough, due to DirecTV's horrible plot summaries, I thought the story of TWINE was going to be something similar before I first saw it. The description was; "Bond protects the daughter of a late friend," and I thought it meant a young daughter. Terrible synopsis, but I liked the idea of Bond showing a softer side with the girl, while at the same time viciously pursuing/killing those trying to harm her.

    Back in the day, I read the same thing about the plot. In fact, it also said Bond would quit the secret service. Was that rumored to be the story of the film?

    That's strange. The incorrect DirecTV description was on their guide around 2012 (which was when I first saw TWINE). They also had a lengthier, more accurate description. It would vary which description was used depending on the channel where TWINE was being aired. It's weird if this misinformation all traces back to some old rumor about the film from back in the day prior to its release.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    =bg= wrote: »

    Wow, I just woke up to read that garbled report-- it's all over the map: Croatia, a blind baddie, a continuation novel, but also inspired by YOLT and OHMSS, with Bautista and Blofeld returning...

    It's like they cut and pasted every scrap from a fan forum and published it.

    It was as if I was reading something from a five year old suffering from ADD, who didn't take his daily dose of Ritalin.
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