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  • ColonelSunColonelSun
    Posts: 1,490
    PanchitoPistoles wrote: »
    ColonelSun wrote: »
    As I say, my money is on Blofeld being in the mix, perhaps not up front, but he won't be ignored.
    But why? Just because he is Blofeld? As far as regular viewers are concerned, he has been defeated and captured. Btw, didn't Bond kill Blofeld on the bridge in one of the earlier versions of the script? I don't think they ever had a deep desire to use Blofeld in more than one film in this era.

    Because it took a lot for Eon to get Blofeld and Spectre back, and (historically) he's Bond's nemesis - and they've made a point of that in SP. Perhaps not everyone in the audience (the younger audience?) knows that, but enough do. Also, Waltz has expressed he didn't get to dig into Blofeld like he had wished and hoped - so, if they work hard to flesh the character out in the script, Waltz will want another crack at it. Bet on Blofeld in Bond 25.
  • barryt007barryt007
    Posts: 19,339
    Blofeld needs to be put on ice...simple as that...and a totally new villain presented to CraigBond NOT linked to SPECTRE or Quantum.

    Even Connery got a film away from SPECTRE and look how GF turned out.
  • PanchitoPistolesPanchitoPistoles 2.0
    edited August 2017 Posts: 4,619
    ColonelSun wrote: »
    Bet on Blofeld in Bond 25.
    No, I won't bet on it because it would be incredibly foolish to bring him back and I don't think Craig and Barbara Broccoli are fools.
    barryt007 wrote: »
    Blofeld needs to be put on ice...simple as that...
    Hear, hear.
  • Last_Rat_StandingLast_Rat_Standing Long Neck Ice Cold Beer Never Broke My Heart
    Posts: 4,583
    barryt007 wrote: »

    Even Connery got a film away from SPECTRE and look how GF turned out.

    The same can be said about Craig and Skyfall but there are people around here that loathe it. Even though it was a huge critical success
  • fjdinardofjdinardo
    Posts: 1,970
    BEST NEWS TO WAKE UP TO EVER!!!

    Craig will be back as Bond.

    Told ya
  • ColonelSunColonelSun
    Posts: 1,490
    PanchitoPistoles wrote: »
    ColonelSun wrote: »
    Bet on Blofeld in Bond 25.
    No, I won't bet on it because it would be incredibly foolish to bring him back and I don't think Craig and Barbara Broccoli are fools.
    barryt007 wrote: »
    Blofeld needs to be put on ice...simple as that...
    Hear, hear.

    Let's just wait and see, but, as I say, I strongly suspect Blofeld will be back in Bond 25 in some form.

  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited August 2017 Posts: 23,883
    They can have Waltz back for all I care. Just make sure he's not the main villain this time. I can see him as a secondary 'Hannibal' like character who Bond has to confront again in jail in order to get information on an assassin who's creating havoc (perhaps a former Spectre employee or someone Blofeld knows. Perhaps even a rogue operator). 'Hinx gone wild'?
  • thelivingroyalethelivingroyale
    Posts: 12,837
    Craig got his Goldfinger with SF. Blame Mendes/the writers for retconning it.

    Yes it would have been nice for Craig to have a standalone mission but we're past that point now. If they've bought him back only to sweep SP under the rug and give him a straight forward Bond film I'll be pissed off. Four films of continuity heavy, personal/dramatic films then a run of the mill Bond on a mission one with nothing to do with them tacked onto the end? What's the point in that?

    If they wanted to do a standalone back to basics film then they should have recast. But Craig is back now so they have to follow on from SP. Yes the premise is a bit boring, I wanted a fresh start myself, but if they can really nail the YOLT stuff then it'll be worth it imo. Craig's comments about wanting to go out on a high have got me really excited to see what they do with it.
  • DennisonDennison
    Posts: 1,031
    When Craig signed on in 2005 I predicted he would do 5 Bond films.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
    Posts: 9,117
    thelivingroyale wrote: »
    Craig got his Goldfinger with SF. Blame Mendes/the writers for retconning it.

    Yes it would have been nice for Craig to have a standalone mission but we're past that point now. If they've bought him back only to sweep SP under the rug and give him a straight forward Bond film I'll be pissed off. Four films of continuity heavy, personal/dramatic films then a run of the mill Bond on a mission one with nothing to do with them tacked onto the end? What's the point in that?

    If they wanted to do a standalone back to basics film then they should have recast. But Craig is back now so they have to follow on from SP. Yes the premise is a bit boring, I wanted a fresh start myself, but if they can really nail the YOLT stuff then it'll be worth it imo. Craig's comments about wanting to go out on a high have got me really excited to see what they do with it.

    Agree entirely.
  • noSolaceleftnoSolaceleft
    edited August 2017 Posts: 1,162
    peter wrote: »
    @noSolaceleft: why? Honestly, why? You've got some very good points, and you have a strong voice, and that's good, my friend.

    But at other times, it feels you're picking fights-- and that's not a slag at being constructively critical. It is calling you out when it feels like you're stirring the pot.

    @RC7 is from the entertainment world. He knows what he's speaking of-- whether you agree or disagree, he knows the machinations of the industry, and, of course, may even get tidbits of real info circling the industry.

    I too, but to a lesser extent, also come from this world-- I was the writer of the terribly, poorly, produced and executed shit-fest DEAD MARY (and a few other credits). @RC7 is genuine, he knows of what he speaks, and I don't think he's trying to knock anyone down a peg.

    So, @noSolaceleft, we can and will respect you. But make the effort....

    I'm a DC fan. You are, to a certain extent (sounds like only CR).

    I want DC to end on the high note he started with (all be it in a very different way, since he's older and can do so with a "present" take on his characterization); you want change.

    No matter how much I'd like to see DC kick ass in one final film, I do get your point (and others), on why they want change.

    It's being able to disagree with respect. And I do respect your opinions, which run opposite to mine; but I DO have an issue with your behaviour, at times.

    We don't have to be enemies in regards to our points of view (and, yes, I am in therapy!).

    I was solely referring to these lines of RC7:" We're Bond fans. Stiff upper lip. Put up and shut up. We have a duty not to join the ranks of these whining fuckers."
    And even so I came out of the Biergarten last night I see no reason to refrain. This is - at best -laughable.Being a fan it's not an act of duty! I am a Bond fan cause I happen to enjoy some of the movies in the franchise very very much and I am not willing to give up on my right to expect quality work from EON for my money and if they are not able to deliver I say no reason why not to be frank about it. Again, I am not an employee of them and I also don't serve in their army!
  • DennisonDennison
    Posts: 1,031
    noSolaceleft wrote: »
    peter wrote: »
    @noSolaceleft: why? Honestly, why? You've got some very good points, and you have a strong voice, and that's good, my friend.

    But at other times, it feels you're picking fights-- and that's not a slag at being constructively critical. It is calling you out when it feels like you're stirring the pot.

    @RC7 is from the entertainment world. He knows what he's speaking of-- whether you agree or disagree, he knows the machinations of the industry, and, of course, may even get tidbits of real info circling the industry.

    I too, but to a lesser extent, also come from this world-- I was the writer of the terribly, poorly, produced and executed shit-fest DEAD MARY (and a few other credits). @RC7 is genuine, he knows of what he speaks, and I don't think he's trying to knock anyone down a peg.

    So, @noSolaceleft, we can and will respect you. But make the effort....

    I'm a DC fan. You are, to a certain extent (sounds like only CR).

    I want DC to end on the high note he started with (all be it in a very different way, since he's older and can do so with a "present" take on his characterization); you want change.

    No matter how much I'd like to see DC kick ass in one final film, I do get your point (and others), on why they want change.

    It's being able to disagree with respect. And I do respect your opinions, which run opposite to mine; but I DO have an issue with your behaviour, at times.

    We don't have to be enemies in regards to our points of view (and, yes, I am in therapy!).

    I was solely referring to these lines: We're Bond fans. Stiff upper lip. Put up and shut up. We have a duty not to join the ranks of these whining fuckers.
    And even so I came out of the Biergarten last night I see no reason to refrain. This is - at best -laughable.Being a fan it's not an act of duty! I am a Bond fan cause I happen to enjoy some of the movies in the franchise very very much M and I am not willing to give up on my ride to expect quality work from EON and if they are not able to deliver I say no reason why not to be frank about it. Again, I am not an employee of them and I also don't serve in their army!

    @noSolaceleft please don't swear, seriously, no need.
  • noSolaceleftnoSolaceleft
    Posts: 1,162
    Dennison wrote: »
    noSolaceleft wrote: »
    peter wrote: »
    @noSolaceleft: why? Honestly, why? You've got some very good points, and you have a strong voice, and that's good, my friend.

    But at other times, it feels you're picking fights-- and that's not a slag at being constructively critical. It is calling you out when it feels like you're stirring the pot.

    @RC7 is from the entertainment world. He knows what he's speaking of-- whether you agree or disagree, he knows the machinations of the industry, and, of course, may even get tidbits of real info circling the industry.

    I too, but to a lesser extent, also come from this world-- I was the writer of the terribly, poorly, produced and executed shit-fest DEAD MARY (and a few other credits). @RC7 is genuine, he knows of what he speaks, and I don't think he's trying to knock anyone down a peg.

    So, @noSolaceleft, we can and will respect you. But make the effort....

    I'm a DC fan. You are, to a certain extent (sounds like only CR).

    I want DC to end on the high note he started with (all be it in a very different way, since he's older and can do so with a "present" take on his characterization); you want change.

    No matter how much I'd like to see DC kick ass in one final film, I do get your point (and others), on why they want change.

    It's being able to disagree with respect. And I do respect your opinions, which run opposite to mine; but I DO have an issue with your behaviour, at times.

    We don't have to be enemies in regards to our points of view (and, yes, I am in therapy!).

    I was solely referring to these lines: We're Bond fans. Stiff upper lip. Put up and shut up. We have a duty not to join the ranks of these whining fuckers.
    And even so I came out of the Biergarten last night I see no reason to refrain. This is - at best -laughable.Being a fan it's not an act of duty! I am a Bond fan cause I happen to enjoy some of the movies in the franchise very very much M and I am not willing to give up on my ride to expect quality work from EON and if they are not able to deliver I say no reason why not to be frank about it. Again, I am not an employee of them and I also don't serve in their army!

    @noSolaceleft please don't swear, seriously, no need.

    The swearing was from the guy I was quoting
  • DennisonDennison
    Posts: 1,031
    noSolaceleft wrote: »
    Dennison wrote: »
    noSolaceleft wrote: »
    peter wrote: »
    @noSolaceleft: why? Honestly, why? You've got some very good points, and you have a strong voice, and that's good, my friend.

    But at other times, it feels you're picking fights-- and that's not a slag at being constructively critical. It is calling you out when it feels like you're stirring the pot.

    @RC7 is from the entertainment world. He knows what he's speaking of-- whether you agree or disagree, he knows the machinations of the industry, and, of course, may even get tidbits of real info circling the industry.

    I too, but to a lesser extent, also come from this world-- I was the writer of the terribly, poorly, produced and executed shit-fest DEAD MARY (and a few other credits). @RC7 is genuine, he knows of what he speaks, and I don't think he's trying to knock anyone down a peg.

    So, @noSolaceleft, we can and will respect you. But make the effort....

    I'm a DC fan. You are, to a certain extent (sounds like only CR).

    I want DC to end on the high note he started with (all be it in a very different way, since he's older and can do so with a "present" take on his characterization); you want change.

    No matter how much I'd like to see DC kick ass in one final film, I do get your point (and others), on why they want change.

    It's being able to disagree with respect. And I do respect your opinions, which run opposite to mine; but I DO have an issue with your behaviour, at times.

    We don't have to be enemies in regards to our points of view (and, yes, I am in therapy!).

    I was solely referring to these lines: We're Bond fans. Stiff upper lip. Put up and shut up. We have a duty not to join the ranks of these whining fuckers.
    And even so I came out of the Biergarten last night I see no reason to refrain. This is - at best -laughable.Being a fan it's not an act of duty! I am a Bond fan cause I happen to enjoy some of the movies in the franchise very very much M and I am not willing to give up on my ride to expect quality work from EON and if they are not able to deliver I say no reason why not to be frank about it. Again, I am not an employee of them and I also don't serve in their army!

    @noSolaceleft please don't swear, seriously, no need.

    The swearing was from the guy I was quoting

    Sorry, hope you give him hell.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    Posts: 23,883
    noSolaceleft wrote: »
    I was solely referring to these lines: We're Bond fans. Stiff upper lip. Put up and shut up. We have a duty not to join the ranks of these whining fuckers.
    And even so I came out of the Biergarten last night I see no reason to refrain. This is - at best -laughable.Being a fan it's not an act of duty! I am a Bond fan cause I happen to enjoy some of the movies in the franchise very very much M and I am not willing to give up on my ride to expect quality work from EON and if they are not able to deliver I say no reason why not to be frank about it. Again, I am not an employee of them and I also don't serve in their army!
    You have a point on that certainly. Every fan is entitled to react the way they choose. There are no rules on how someone can appreciate this franchise. That would be silly. Plus we are all individuals and celebrate and act in ways that are comfortable to us. No harm in that and nobody has a right to tell anyone otherwise.

    --

    Earlier in the day, Craig indicated that others were desperate to get going and then later on Colbert he indicated that he was raring to go ("can't wait"). Well I look forward to EON's confirmation of yesterday's breaking news, the director, the studio and the synopsis of the plot. We are, after all, 2+ long years away from the release of the next entry so they can't be all that keen on getting going, but hopefully we'll get this information sooner rather than later.
  • noSolaceleftnoSolaceleft
    Posts: 1,162
    I really have to admit to have been wrong. I was really quite sure that they wouldn't bring him back. In my opinion still a mistake though. Well, we will see.
  • barryt007barryt007
    Posts: 19,339
    Last_Rat_Standing wrote: »
    barryt007 wrote: »

    Even Connery got a film away from SPECTRE and look how GF turned out.

    The same can be said about Craig and Skyfall but there are people around here that loathe it. Even though it was a huge critical success
    thelivingroyale wrote: »
    Craig got his Goldfinger with SF. Blame Mendes/the writers for retconning it.

    But he didn't get his standalone film with SF ,as they linked Silva in with SPECTRE (which I think is stupid but that's the way it is .

    CraigBond needs a film with no mention of SPECTRE ,as Connery got with GF.
    He 'officially' has NOT had a standalone film .

  • Last_Rat_StandingLast_Rat_Standing Long Neck Ice Cold Beer Never Broke My Heart
    Posts: 4,583
    At the time Skyfall could have been the Goldfinger of the Craig era. Until the writers made so Silva was a Spectre agent. If that little snippet would never had happend, then what really would have connected Skyfall to the rest in terms of direct plotline?
  • PanchitoPistolesPanchitoPistoles 2.0
    Posts: 4,619
    thelivingroyale wrote: »
    Four films of continuity heavy, personal/dramatic films then a run of the mill Bond on a mission one with nothing to do with them tacked onto the end?
    Blofeld + SPECTRE returning and "a run of the mill Bond on a mission" film are not the only two options. How about this? Madeleine is back, Bond is no longer a 00 agent, and at the same time NO Blofeld + NO SPECTRE. They could easily make a movie that is very much connected to the end of Spectre (Bond leaving MI6 for good, together with Swann), that is very unusual (Bond no longer a 00 agent for the entire duration of the movie), and at the same time does not feature Blofeld again.

  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
    Posts: 8,250
    I'm in jeopardy now: I would love to see Craig do a standalone film, at the same time I'd love to see him in a truthfull adaptation of YOLT. Especially as Waltz sure can do a deranged hyper Blofeld.
    In the novel he's clearly gone insane. Problem is, they'd have to do it without Irma.


    Better do a standalone!
  • Risico007Risico007
    Posts: 9,846
    Well I am happy honestly of course Craig coming back is good and I believe the director will be announced soon as well...

    And of course a year and 4 months starts principal photography of the film so yeah between now and then expect plenty of rumors and news...

    Personally if this is Craig's last film let's see the final battle between Bond and Blofeld... I want the climax of the film to be ripped straight from you only live twice (the novel) with the castle burning around them as Bond and Blofield have the most amazing sword fight ever put to film.

    I get that climax I am happy but so far with Purivs and Wade ( yeah I like them sorry but 75% of die another day is amazing 100 % of both casino and quantum and even skyfall and Spectre are pretty good) back and Craig back my wish list is pretty much being checked off..now if I can get a good action director a classic rock band doing the theme and of course a Fleming title (yup I would even except the bland 007 in New York) and a great video game tie in with Craig doing the voice work then I would be super happy
  • Gustav_GravesGustav_Graves
    Posts: 11,119
    Also, thumbs up for The New York Times. A newspaper that is doing some proper research before confirming to us that Craig will return for a 5th (and not two in a row, like many dirt-tabloids were claiming), despite the fact it's being slammed by many people at this very moment.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    Posts: 23,883
    Does anyone think that the gossip about a one off distribution deal makes Annapurna more likely? After all, if MGM's owner's are looking to do something dramatic from a financial structure perspective post-B25 (like a sale or IPO), would a big studio want to get involved just for one picture?

    Annapurna has a lot to gain so they may take it on, but would a big studio commit for just a one film deal?

    Especially if MGM wants to get back into distribution after it sells or IPOs.

    The slightly haphazard manner in which this announcement has been handled leads me to think 'Indie'.
  • RC7RC7
    Posts: 10,512
    noSolaceleft wrote: »
    peter wrote: »
    @noSolaceleft: why? Honestly, why? You've got some very good points, and you have a strong voice, and that's good, my friend.

    But at other times, it feels you're picking fights-- and that's not a slag at being constructively critical. It is calling you out when it feels like you're stirring the pot.

    @RC7 is from the entertainment world. He knows what he's speaking of-- whether you agree or disagree, he knows the machinations of the industry, and, of course, may even get tidbits of real info circling the industry.

    I too, but to a lesser extent, also come from this world-- I was the writer of the terribly, poorly, produced and executed shit-fest DEAD MARY (and a few other credits). @RC7 is genuine, he knows of what he speaks, and I don't think he's trying to knock anyone down a peg.

    So, @noSolaceleft, we can and will respect you. But make the effort....

    I'm a DC fan. You are, to a certain extent (sounds like only CR).

    I want DC to end on the high note he started with (all be it in a very different way, since he's older and can do so with a "present" take on his characterization); you want change.

    No matter how much I'd like to see DC kick ass in one final film, I do get your point (and others), on why they want change.

    It's being able to disagree with respect. And I do respect your opinions, which run opposite to mine; but I DO have an issue with your behaviour, at times.

    We don't have to be enemies in regards to our points of view (and, yes, I am in therapy!).

    I was solely referring to these lines of RC7:" We're Bond fans. Stiff upper lip. Put up and shut up. We have a duty not to join the ranks of these whining fuckers."
    And even so I came out of the Biergarten last night I see no reason to refrain. This is - at best -laughable.Being a fan it's not an act of duty! I am a Bond fan cause I happen to enjoy some of the movies in the franchise very very much and I am not willing to give up on my right to expect quality work from EON for my money and if they are not able to deliver I say no reason why not to be frank about it. Again, I am not an employee of them and I also don't serve in their army!

    Ok, you're German and may have missed the underlying facetiousness of my comment. Get back to the beer garden and drink yourself into a state of acceptance. It'll all be fine.
  • PanchitoPistolesPanchitoPistoles 2.0
    Posts: 4,619
    Risico007 wrote: »
    let's see the final battle between Bond and Blofeld...
    We have already seen it at the end of Spectre...
  • Risico007Risico007
    Posts: 9,846
    PanchitoPistoles wrote: »
    Risico007 wrote: »
    let's see the final battle between Bond and Blofeld...
    We have already seen it at the end of Spectre...

    I hope not then his return will be an even bigger waste then Mr. White in Spectre.
  • Gustav_GravesGustav_Graves
    Posts: 11,119
    bondjames wrote: »
    Does anyone think that the gossip about a one off distribution deal makes Annapurna more likely? After all, if MGM's owner's are looking to do something dramatic from a financial structure perspective post-B25 (like a sale or IPO), would a big studio want to get involved just for one picture?

    Annapurna has a lot to gain so they may take it on, but would a big studio commit for just a one film deal?

    Especially if MGM wants to get back into distribution after it sells or IPOs.

    The slightly haphazard manner in which this announcement has been handled leads me to think 'Indie'.

    Well, it does make some sense. I mean, for the long term it could be a more jovial, less dominant partner than big ones like Warner Bros. and Universal. And who knows Annapurna could later on be merged with MGM and becoming big again as a movie distributor. I think it also makes EON more happy.

    On the other hand, I do predict it'll be either Warner or Universal.
  • StirredNotShakenStirredNotShaken Toronto
    Posts: 2,402
    mattjoes wrote: »
    So, that marks 13 years between the premiere of Casino Royale and Bond 25. Got Moore beaten by a year.

    Nonsense. Roger Moore was James Bond for just shy of 90 years. ;)
  • ColonelSunColonelSun
    Posts: 1,490
    PanchitoPistoles wrote: »
    Risico007 wrote: »
    let's see the final battle between Bond and Blofeld...
    We have already seen it at the end of Spectre...

    If it was the final battle there would be no question of whether Blofeld will return or not.
  • barryt007barryt007
    Posts: 19,339
    Gustav_Graves wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    Does anyone think that the gossip about a one off distribution deal makes Annapurna more likely? After all, if MGM's owner's are looking to do something dramatic from a financial structure perspective post-B25 (like a sale or IPO), would a big studio want to get involved just for one picture?

    Annapurna has a lot to gain so they may take it on, but would a big studio commit for just a one film deal?

    Especially if MGM wants to get back into distribution after it sells or IPOs.

    The slightly haphazard manner in which this announcement has been handled leads me to think 'Indie'.

    Well, it does make some sense. I mean, for the long term it could be a more jovial, less dominant partner than big ones like Warner Bros. and Universal. And who knows Annapurna could later on be merged with MGM and becoming big again as a movie distributor. I think it also makes EON more happy.

    On the other hand, I do predict it'll be either Warner or Universal.

    The main rumour is that its going to be Warner Bros,which is fine by me,and I would imagine its for one film with an option for more if the film succeeds to WB satisfaction (which we all know it will do,especially with Daniel back on board).

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