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    I was reading Esquire's ranking of all the Bond villains - definitely worth a read - and they have photos of each villain. When it got to Morzeny from FRWL, it had a picture of him taking Klebb on the tour of SPECTRE Island and it's a close-up from the waist up and I noticed he was wearing a holster and the buckle has a Soviet star and hammer and sickle symbol.

    Makes you wonder what his backstory is as he's undefined for the most part.
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    I'm very late on this but I don't care, it was funny seeing a kid Gerard Butler in TND :))
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    Traditionally, as per Fleming’s novels, the upper levels of SP are made up of triads stolen from existing organizations (Smersh, the Mafia, the Union Coarse, the Spangled Mob, ex-Nazis, etc). Morzeny and Klebb are most likely two of the three from Smersh.

    True. would that mean Spectre stole White from Quantum?
  • DwayneDwayne New York City
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    In watching YOLT last week, I noticed that one of the actors playing one of the uncredited military officials seated towards the end of movie is William Sylvester. Sylvester played Dr. Haywood Floyd in 2OO1.

    That makes him (at-least) the second actor from my all-time favorite movie to also appear in a Bond movie. Bill Weston, who was a stuntman in 2OO1 and in several Bond movies, played Blayden Butler in TLD. According to Michael Benson’s “Space Odyssey: Kubrick, Clarke and The Making of A Masterpiece”, Weston would almost blackout from oxygen deprivation after filming his scenes.
  • w2bondw2bond is indeed a very rare breed
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    Traditionally, as per Fleming’s novels, the upper levels of SP are made up of triads stolen from existing organizations (Smersh, the Mafia, the Union Coarse, the Spangled Mob, ex-Nazis, etc). Morzeny and Klebb are most likely two of the three from Smersh.

    True. would that mean Spectre stole White from Quantum?

    Or that Spectre absorbed Quantum. I quote Q: "...they were all part of the same organisation. Le Chiffre, Quantum, Sciarra, your friend Mr Silva."
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    w2bond wrote: »
    Birdleson wrote: »
    Traditionally, as per Fleming’s novels, the upper levels of SP are made up of triads stolen from existing organizations (Smersh, the Mafia, the Union Coarse, the Spangled Mob, ex-Nazis, etc). Morzeny and Klebb are most likely two of the three from Smersh.

    True. would that mean Spectre stole White from Quantum?

    Or that Spectre absorbed Quantum. I quote Q: "...they were all part of the same organisation. Le Chiffre, Quantum, Sciarra, your friend Mr Silva."

    Well, as Q is part of the opposition, he needn't getting things right of course. Le Chiffre wasn't 'part' of anyorganisation, or at least that's not the feeling I get from CR, but rather working for any organisation that would hire him. That's why M is hellbend on getting him alive. Obanno for sure wasn't part of it and white says something in the lines of 'all we can do is introduce you', meaning they are not part of the same organisation.

    Come to think of it, perhaps White was liason between Quantum and SPECTRE as well. Would make sense why he'd run after the money. They were de facto stealing from Quantum.
  • BondAficionadoBondAficionado Former IMDBer
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    Quantum is a branch/subsidiary of SPECTRE. Everybody who's working for Quantum is indirectly working for SPECTRE, but not everybody working for SPECTRE is working for Quantum. Simple as that.
  • ProfJoeButcherProfJoeButcher Bless your heart
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    Something occurred to me today which helps me understand why Tim's two movies are always at or near the top of my rankings.

    Both his movies have a good deal of clever improvisation from Bond. Bond has of course always improvised himself out of situations, but in Tim's films he deliberately goes into confrontations that cannot be planned.

    His initial conversation with Kara is a total mystery box for him, and you can see his brain working a bit as he bluffs Kara. It's clear from context and body language that he had no idea what would happen when he confronted Pushkin either.

    In LTK, he has two conversations with Sanchez that require improvisation as well. He goes straight to his office at the casino and can't have any idea how it will go. Later, you can see the moment when he realizes he can set up Krest.

    Maybe it's a minor thing, but I really love this theme in his movies, and I think it's pretty rare to see Bond dive into a situation he knows he'll have to spontaneously bluff through. It seems like a proper Dalton thing....
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    Quantum is a branch/subsidiary of SPECTRE. Everybody who's working for Quantum is indirectly working for SPECTRE, but not everybody working for SPECTRE is working for Quantum. Simple as that.

    Well, if the SPECTRE of the novels is anything to go by, Quantum is probably played bij SPECTRE, definately not a subsidiary. SPECTRE stays out of sight and lets others do the dirty work.
    Something occurred to me today which helps me understand why Tim's two movies are always at or near the top of my rankings.

    Both his movies have a good deal of clever improvisation from Bond. Bond has of course always improvised himself out of situations, but in Tim's films he deliberately goes into confrontations that cannot be planned.

    His initial conversation with Kara is a total mystery box for him, and you can see his brain working a bit as he bluffs Kara. It's clear from context and body language that he had no idea what would happen when he confronted Pushkin either.

    In LTK, he has two conversations with Sanchez that require improvisation as well. He goes straight to his office at the casino and can't have any idea how it will go. Later, you can see the moment when he realizes he can set up Krest.

    Maybe it's a minor thing, but I really love this theme in his movies, and I think it's pretty rare to see Bond dive into a situation he knows he'll have to spontaneously bluff through. It seems like a proper Dalton thing....

    Yep, that's definately something to love in the Dalton films, and Dalton thereby delivers on his promise to go back to Fleming's Bond.
  • BondAficionadoBondAficionado Former IMDBer
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    Quantum is a branch/subsidiary of SPECTRE. Everybody who's working for Quantum is indirectly working for SPECTRE, but not everybody working for SPECTRE is working for Quantum. Simple as that.

    Well, if the SPECTRE of the novels is anything to go by, Quantum is probably played bij SPECTRE, definately not a subsidiary. SPECTRE stays out of sight and lets others do the dirty work.

    Ah yes, because we all know that the latest films still adhere to Fleming. /s
  • BondAficionadoBondAficionado Former IMDBer
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    But isn’t that where the discussion had gone to? Trying to fit Quantum into the Fleming SPECTRE structure.

    Yes, but I was merely pointing out that the films don't intend to follow that structure. Unless you were both talking hypothetically and not rationalizing something that isn't.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Definitely not, considering they didn't re-acquire the rights until, when, late 2013? If anything, having a 2010 installment akin to the feel of QoS with an even greater focus on the organization would've been fantastic.
  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou, but I now hear a new dog barkin'
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    Does anybody still think that calling the organisation "Quantum" has any other reason whatsoever besides making a "quantum" of remote sense of calling that movie "Quantum of Solace"? I don't. And I think it is about as relevant as discussing why Blofeld looks different in each movie he appears. I'm all for keeping the instalments independent from each other and consider the attempt to throw it all together in order to try and make a coherent sense the biggest fault, and the most cringe-inducing element, of SPECTRE (the movie). Nobody would have worried about continuity, had they not so utterly amateurish tried to create it.
  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou, but I now hear a new dog barkin'
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    j_w_pepper wrote: »
    Does anybody still think that calling the organisation "Quantum" has any other reason whatsoever besides making a "quantum" of remote sense of calling that movie "Quantum of Solace"?

    No, completely shoehorned in. But it works.

    Thank you. It's a bit like choosing the name of the Denise Richards character in TWINE so one could make those Christmas puns, no more.
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    j_w_pepper wrote: »
    Birdleson wrote: »
    j_w_pepper wrote: »
    Does anybody still think that calling the organisation "Quantum" has any other reason whatsoever besides making a "quantum" of remote sense of calling that movie "Quantum of Solace"?

    No, completely shoehorned in. But it works.

    Thank you. It's a bit like choosing the name of the Denise Richards character in TWINE so one could make those Christmas puns, no more.

    Yes indeed, as if that was needed with her. Still, she was the hottest thing on two legs at the time.

    But I digress. I don'ttake any theory on how it all falls together seriously. I do like the excercise though as it makes it all work a little bit better. SP was the one-and only Bond film I thought lasted too long whilst I saw it the first time in the cinema. Even with DAD I didn't feel like that. There were too many things to take you out of the story and the 'interconnection' was certainly one of them. But with White as liason in the back of my mind it doesn't irritate me as much.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Never noticed this before, but isn t QOS the only Bond film where Bond doesn t get captured ?
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    Never noticed this before, but isn t QOS the only Bond film where Bond doesn t get captured ?

    He almost does though, by his own people.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Never noticed this before, but isn t QOS the only Bond film where Bond doesn t get captured ?

    He almost does though, by his own people.

    Yes, I thought about that scene, but it isn t quite the same.
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    Never noticed this before, but isn t QOS the only Bond film where Bond doesn t get captured ?

    He almost does though, by his own people.

    Yes, I thought about that scene, but it isn t quite the same.

    No, it's not, but that's actually one of the things I like about that sequence.
  • mattjoesmattjoes Julie T. and the M.G.'s
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    j_w_pepper wrote: »
    Does anybody still think that calling the organisation "Quantum" has any other reason whatsoever besides making a "quantum" of remote sense of calling that movie "Quantum of Solace"?

    No, completely shoehorned in. But it works.

    As someone said, "Quantum of Solace" = "Terrorist Organization of Comfort".
  • MooseWithFleasMooseWithFleas Philadelphia
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    My wife pointed out while we were watching Thunderball that when Derval's double is in the jet, about to poison the rest of the crew, that with the oxygen mask on, he looks very much like Sean Connery. Without any context, if you walked into the scene when watching the film for the first time, you may have thought Bond went nuts and turned to the dark side!

    https://bplusmovieblog.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/thunderball-163.png
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    he does resamble him a bit indeed.
  • GettlerGettler USA
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    I noticed how Silva's entrance in SF (the long walk towards Bond) is similar to the end of the film where he walks between the pews of the church toward M. Silva's rat tale could be applied to the final act where he mentions trapping the rats (Bond luring Silva into a trap), ideas of how to get rid of the rats through burning them (Mansion explosion) or throwing them into the water (Bond falling through the ice), all to inevitably end with Bond as the 'last rat standing'. I will admit that I feel like I'm reaching a bit, but couldn't help but notice.
  • goldenswissroyalegoldenswissroyale Switzerland
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    My wife pointed out while we were watching Thunderball that when Derval's double is in the jet, about to poison the rest of the crew, that with the oxygen mask on, he looks very much like Sean Connery. Without any context, if you walked into the scene when watching the film for the first time, you may have thought Bond went nuts and turned to the dark side!

    https://bplusmovieblog.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/thunderball-163.png

    It could really be him. Good catch.
    Talk about catching:
    Never noticed this before, but isn t QOS the only Bond film where Bond doesn t get captured ?

    I love such statistics.
    Is he captured in FRWL? Does the scene before the train fight count?
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Yes, that one counts.
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    Captured, but not taken to the villain's hideout. Which might also be a unique occurrence.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Revelator wrote: »
    Captured, but not taken to the villain's hideout. Which might also be a unique occurrence.

    He isn t taken to the villain s hideout in TLD, unless you count the Afghanistan sequence, and think the Soviets are the villains. He goes to Whitaker s base on his own account.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    Apparently Barbara Broccoli appears in OP and TLD, according to the podcast?
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    echo wrote: »
    Apparently Barbara Broccoli appears in OP and TLD, according to the podcast?
    Interesting! IMDB lists Babs as 'opera patron' in TLD. She is sitting next to MGW, to the left of Saunders at the opera (later in the film).
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    QBranch wrote: »
    echo wrote: »
    Apparently Barbara Broccoli appears in OP and TLD, according to the podcast?
    Interesting! IMDB lists Babs as 'opera patron' in TLD. She is sitting next to MGW, to the left of Saunders at the opera (later in the film).

    So need to check that out!
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