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  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    I'll admit my reaction when first seeing it in cinemas was slight disappointment, mainly due to its short duration and expecting something as amazing as CR. But after viewing it a second time, I started to appreciate it more. Great action, nice scenery and colour palette, decent score, and the performances are spot on.

    This is one for the controversial thread: I don't have a problem with the theme song or title sequence. Love it all.
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
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    QBranch wrote: »
    But I also rate TLD very highly. Probably top 5.

    Good man. Me too.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    QBranch wrote: »
    But I also rate TLD very highly. Probably top 5.
    Good man. Me too.
    TLD and LTK are pretty interchangeable, but if I had to rate them, TLD would sit on top purely for its cold war/espionage theme.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    QBranch wrote: »
    I'll admit my reaction when first seeing it in cinemas was slight disappointment, mainly due to its short duration and expecting something as amazing as CR. But after viewing it a second time, I started to appreciate it more. Great action, nice scenery and colour palette, decent score, and the performances are spot on.

    This is one for the controversial thread: I don't have a problem with the theme song or title sequence. Love it all.

    @QBranch, I love the title sequence and enjoy AWTD without issue as well.
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    QBranch wrote: »
    I'll admit my reaction when first seeing it in cinemas was slight disappointment, mainly due to its short duration and expecting something as amazing as CR. But after viewing it a second time, I started to appreciate it more. Great action, nice scenery and colour palette, decent score, and the performances are spot on.

    This is one for the controversial thread: I don't have a problem with the theme song or title sequence. Love it all.

    Ouch! I love QoS, and have ever since the start, allthough I too needed to 'digest'it first. But I love every bit of it.... except that horrid 'titlesong'. I can hardly listen to that screaming.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    It took me time to see QoS for its own thing, and not attached to CR. But when I did I appreciated a very strong performance piece led by Dan who gives one of the strongest performances as Bond that I've seen with great nuance and power. It's acting like that that makes him who he is, and that makes his Bond feel so natural and real, which I of course appreciate.

    I don't think anyone will call AWTD the best Bond title song at any point in history, but I do love the instrumental by Arnold that really gives it so much impact; I could listen to just his arrangement all day. I do think that the song would've been better received if just Alicia was singing the vocals, or if there was a different singer entirely on it. At slight points in the song you can hear Alicia and Jack sort of battling with their voices and they don't have a great sound chemistry with one another, so the result is a sometimes messy and incongruous mixing of vocals.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    One moment I really like is when Bond steals the photo of Vesper & Yusef and covers his motions by taking the drink with his other hand as M turns around.
    QBranch wrote: »
    I'll admit my reaction when first seeing it in cinemas was slight disappointment, mainly due to its short duration and expecting something as amazing as CR. But after viewing it a second time, I started to appreciate it more. Great action, nice scenery and colour palette, decent score, and the performances are spot on.

    This is one for the controversial thread: I don't have a problem with the theme song or title sequence. Love it all.
    Ouch! I love QoS, and have ever since the start, allthough I too needed to 'digest'it first. But I love every bit of it.... except that horrid 'titlesong'. I can hardly listen to that screaming.
    The song doesn't bother me when watching the film. I like anything Jack White does and have liked some of Alicia Keys earlier stuff, but- it's not one of the Bond themes I would play by choice outside of the films. Having said that, I did buy the CD single when I spotted it in stores.
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    That's the strange thing, As @OBrady i like the instrumentals, especially when it's used later in the film. Alicia has a very good singing voice, and White I don't know much about. But the combination just ends up in utter noise. It's a pitty, I think Alicia, if she had been just singing, could've made a wonderful score.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    QBranch wrote: »
    I'll admit my reaction when first seeing it in cinemas was slight disappointment, mainly due to its short duration and expecting something as amazing as CR. But after viewing it a second time, I started to appreciate it more. Great action, nice scenery and colour palette, decent score, and the performances are spot on.

    This is one for the controversial thread: I don't have a problem with the theme song or title sequence. Love it all.

    @QBranch, I love the title sequence and enjoy AWTD without issue as well.

    Me, too.
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    Is that oil company fake?
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    I tried to look it up, failed. I believe it is fake.

    But I also saw evidence a Bond fan had a can in his collection. Turns out, his own creation. I want one.
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  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    QBranch wrote: »
    One moment I really like is when Bond steals the photo of Vesper & Yusef and covers his motions by taking the drink with his other hand as M turns around.

    Absolutely, @QBranch. My favorite is on the plane when Bond pretends to forget the name of his martini when speaking to Mathis, to avoid saying Vesper's name. Lovely little touches like that are all throughout that movie.
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    I tried to look it up, failed. I believe it is fake.

    But I also saw evidence a Bond fan had a can in his collection. Turns out, his own creation. I want one.
    https://ajb007.co.uk/topic/34602/quantum-beer-cozi/
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    Not to be mistaken for legitimate motor oil.

    You're talking about the stuff on the left there I presume?

    It just occured to me that the info M has on Sciara probably came from Yusef, the only member of Quantum/SPECTRE they caught and didn't die.

  • mattjoesmattjoes Julie T. and the M.G.'s
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    I don't think anyone will call AWTD the best Bond title song at any point in history, but I do love the instrumental by Arnold

    What instrumental, please?
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    mattjoes wrote: »
    I don't think anyone will call AWTD the best Bond title song at any point in history, but I do love the instrumental by Arnold

    What instrumental, please?

    @mattjoes, I'm simply talking about the composition of music Arnold created for the song with Keys and White:



    I enjoy the sound of it.
  • CASINOROYALECASINOROYALE Somewhere hot
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    I tried to look it up, failed. I believe it is fake.

    But I also saw evidence a Bond fan had a can in his collection. Turns out, his own creation. I want one.
    https://ajb007.co.uk/topic/34602/quantum-beer-cozi/
    Landscape_006.jpg


    Not to be mistaken for legitimate motor oil.

    It just occured to me that the info M has on Sciara probably came from Yusef, the only member of Quantum/SPECTRE they caught and didn't die.

    Hmm. Yeah always wondered how she got that information.. It was also pre recorded so it seems she was secretly monitoring the situation but when she found she was being somewhat fired she should tell Bond since he had a personal connection.
  • mattjoesmattjoes Julie T. and the M.G.'s
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    mattjoes wrote: »
    I don't think anyone will call AWTD the best Bond title song at any point in history, but I do love the instrumental by Arnold

    What instrumental, please?

    @mattjoes, I'm simply talking about the composition of music Arnold created for the song with Keys and White:



    I enjoy the sound of it.

    Ah, I see. Arnold didn't have anything to do with that, though. The song was produced by Jack White, according to Wikipedia. I think I got a little confused about what you were talking about because @CommanderRoss mentioned liking "the instrumental, especially when used later in the film." But as far as I can tell, the song is not featured in the film score in instrumental form.

    Arnold did compose a potential title theme (No Good About Goodbye), but apparently he didn't finish it in time to be recorded as a song. He did weave it prominently into the score, though.

    Now that you mention it, the Another Way to Die instrumental is pretty cool. It packs a punch. In fact, the melody isn't bad either. You're absolutely right; a different direction in terms of voices would've made a substantial difference in the final product.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    @mattjoes, well, Arnold's name is credited on it, so if he wasn't involved there's been some error somewhere. My understanding has been that in many cases the film composer will work with the song artist/s in question to compose the instrumental to fit the vocals, and that instrumental will appear either in a small or large way in the film itself (as was Barry's practice). I've always assumed that Arnold worked with Keys and White to make the instrumental, as nothing presented itself to challenge that.

    If anyone has any information on the making of AWTD from behind the scenes that shines more of a light on this, I'm happy to hear it.
  • Arnold incorporated parts of AWTD into his score for QoS—as per tradition—but had no hand in writing the song (lyrics or music).

    Songs he collaborated on: Surrender, The World Is Not Enough, You Know My Name

    Songs he did not: Tomorrow Never Dies, Die Another Day, Another Way to Die
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Arnold incorporated parts of AWTD into his score for QoS—as per tradition—but had no hand in writing the song (lyrics or music).

    Songs he collaborated on: Surrender, The World Is Not Enough, You Know My Name

    Songs he did not: Tomorrow Never Dies, Die Another Day, Another Way to Die

    Thanks for the clarification, @Some_Kind_Of_Hero. Weird that Arnold worked on the rejected TND song and not the one that would end up in the film. I wonder how close "Surrender" was to actually being the main song.

    In the areas of Bond trivia, I think I'm weakest when it comes to the music. Love listening to the scores, but haven't been able to study much of the ins and out of their creation.
  • I believe it was a "name" thing. Apparently Sheryl Crow was a big thing in the 90s. k.d. lang, by comparison, was not.

    At least in the case of Tomorrow Never Dies, Arnold and lang were allowed the end credits to showcase their work. I like both songs. I'm actually happy the way things worked out in the finished film. Crow's slinky number sets up the Paris stuff in the first half, and Surrender is a helluva way to send out the film.

    Surrender is a great theme. I'm glad Arnold made good use of it in the score, most notably in "White Knight," "Backseat Driver," and "All In a Day's Work."
  • mattjoesmattjoes Julie T. and the M.G.'s
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    Arnold incorporated parts of AWTD into his score for QoS

    Could you indicate at least some of the tracks in which AWTD can be heard, and in which moments? I don't recall hearing the theme in the score, but I admit it's possible it was integrated in subtle, brief ways. The TWINE song received such a treatment.


    I believe it was a "name" thing. Apparently Sheryl Crow was a big thing in the 90s. k.d. lang, by comparison, was not.

    At least in the case of Tomorrow Never Dies, Arnold and lang were allowed the end credits to showcase their work. I like both songs. I'm actually happy the way things worked out in the finished film. Crow's slinky number sets up the Paris stuff in the first half, and Surrender is a helluva way to send out the film.

    Surrender is a great theme. I'm glad Arnold made good use of it in the score, most notably in "White Knight," "Backseat Driver," and "All In a Day's Work."

    I like the TND song, too. My only wish is that it had been integrated, even slightly, into the score.
  • Arnold's use of AWTD was even more subtle than TWINE. One of the more easily recognizable quotes can be found at 0:06 into "Field Trip."

  • mattjoesmattjoes Julie T. and the M.G.'s
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    The phrase played by the flute? Hmm, I just can't tell what part of the song that comes from.
  • Listen to the way Keys sings "Another gun thrown down in surrender..." at around 3 minutes into the song. It's the same melody. There might be a better example in the song. It's been awhile since I've down a really close listen and analysis of how all Arnold's quotes matched up with the song.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    @Some_Kind_Of_Hero, do you have a music background of any kind?
  • mattjoesmattjoes Julie T. and the M.G.'s
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    Listen to the way Keys sings "Another gun thrown down in surrender..." at around 3 minutes into the song. It's the same melody. There might be a better example in the song. It's been awhile since I've down a really close listen and analysis of how all Arnold's quotes matched up with the song.

    I hear it! The phrase played by the flute is transposed one semitone up from the one in the song. "I've never noticed that before..." :D

    Like with TWINE, I do wish Arnold hadn't used the song in such a fragmented way.

    We really should have a list of title song quotations from all the films.
  • @Some_Kind_Of_Hero, do you have a music background of any kind?

    Only my passionate interest in film scores. Been enjoying them all my life. :D

    But I've never studied music or learned an instrument. I've tied teaching myself songs on the piano a few times and composed some "film music" on the computer I thought turned out half decent. I wish I knew more about music. Maybe one day I'll have to invest in some classes.
    mattjoes wrote: »
    Listen to the way Keys sings "Another gun thrown down in surrender..." at around 3 minutes into the song. It's the same melody. There might be a better example in the song. It's been awhile since I've down a really close listen and analysis of how all Arnold's quotes matched up with the song.

    I hear it! The phrase played by the flute is transposed one semitone up from the one in the song. "I've never noticed that before..." :D

    Like with TWINE, I do wish Arnold hadn't used the song in such a fragmented way.

    We really should have a list of title song quotations from all the films.

    That would actually be a great idea. Something like one of those "by the numbers" type threads.
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
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    In the eco party in QOS, all the quantum agents are wearing Q pins on their suits ( supposedly an updated version of the spectre ring)
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    In the eco party in QOS, all the quantum agents are wearing Q pins on their suits ( supposedly an updated version of the spectre ring)
    I didn't notice this until recently too. Was kind of hoping the Colonel of Police would be wearing one, as a hint that he's dirty.
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