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I still see them the odd time. Halloween Kills had one.
I mean in any reboot. We can assume that Connery's Bond had experienced Vesper on his first mission. They could start mid-career with the next guy, he could reflect on "his" Vesper. I wouldn't past EON still not getting over this Vesper thing.
A similar manner done in TSWLM. Brief and moving on.
I wouldn’t mind mentioning Vesper the way Fleming did in the novels where they were also brief and carried on rather than dwelling on it.
-There is the drug induced dream sequence in GF when he muses how awkward it is going to have to be to introduce Tilly to Vesper in Heaven.
-Then late in the series he mentions (for the first and only time) that he visits her grave annually. Was that in OHMSS?
Did I miss any?
The Craig films took it way further.
...and it would certainly add fuel to the fire regarding the people who want one timeline.
GF, chapter 16: "There must be a whole lot of them, going up together. Would Tilly be on the same trip? Bond squirmed with embarrassment. How would he introduce her to the others, to Vesper for instance?"
OHMSS, chapter 2: "He had come a long way since then, dodged many bullets and much death and loved many girls, but there had been a drama and a poignancy about that particular adventure that every year drew him back to Royale and its casino and to the small granite cross in the little churchyard that simply said 'Vesper Lynd. RIP.'"
While it's true that each Bond could reflect on "his" Vesper, I think folks might then wonder if each Bond has his own version of Madeline as well--if one character from an enclosed timeline can exist in a different one, why can't others? Best to forget both and create a new continuity without them.
"...there had been a drama and a poignancy about that particular adventure that every year drew him back to Royale..."
Ironic considering it was his one and only visit to her grave in NTTD. Had QOS not lay so heavily on Vesper, I think the moments in SP/NTTD would have hit harder.
I would have preferred the film had adhered to Fleming's asceticism. What we got struck me as ostentatious.
Python makes a good point: Fleming has Bond visit Vesper’s grave in another country every year whereas Craig’s Bond visits it only once, and that’s in order to say goodbye and never visit again.
They should show both Tracy and Vesper in the title sequence. They could have some cool animation where a bunch of lines come together and their faces are formed. Hopefully the lyrics would include the word "past" in that part.
Just let me know beforehand, EON, so I can take a sick bucket to the theater.
Absolutely, hopefully they keep Vesper to Craig's Bond like they did Tracy with the previous Bond's. I'd love to see Gala Brand be used well in the future
It is like an unhealthy relationship.
Sounds like the film won't be half bad, and may or may not leave a bitter aftertaste.
I hope Judi Dench plays Vesper, and Eva Green plays M.
That’s toxic fandom for you. I know I’m guilty of it. I don’t think James Bond fans are as guilty of it as Star Wars or Harry Potter fans.
Understood. Interestingly, there COULD not be mention (or depiction) of Vesper in films prior to CR 06 because the rights were held elsewhere.
The more significant point is that Fleming did no more than briefly mention Vesper twice in the books that followed Casino Royale, whereas Vesper had a significant presence in three of Craig's subsequent films. Fleming's Bond didn't spend large sections of later novels trying to get over Vesper. It's not even clear if Bond would still visit Vesper's grave if it wasn't in Royale-les-Eaux. Nor does Fleming devote any time to describing Bond's visit to the grave (unlike NTTD)--instead Bond goes to the casino.