Where does Bond go after Craig?

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  • mattjoesmattjoes Julie T. and the M.G.'s
    edited January 2022 Posts: 7,021
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    There is a trend these days to have a simple title that's already been used before and just add the word THE.

    THE SUICIDE SQUAD, THE BATMAN, etc
    Yeah, it's a trend. Not one I like.
    THE NO TIME TO DIE
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Perhaps THE JAMES BOND could be akin to the Truman-Lodge Seinfeld episode THE JIMMY where he refers to himself in the third person?
    "Mr. Bond's name is Bond, James Bond, Mr. Bond will have a vodka martini, shaken not stirred".
    Could have some strange results...
    -Ooh, Commander Bond!
    -Call Commander Bond James. It's five days to Alaska.
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    I’d actually be quite happy with the film being titled COMMANDER JAMES BOND.
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
    edited January 2022 Posts: 4,343
    Baz confirms that EoN is searching for a young actor, ruling out Elba, in order to make a new series of hopefully 5 films with a connected narrative arc. No time to standalone adventures.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-10450349/BAZ-BAMIGBOYE-Javier-Bardems-close-encounter-Nicole-Kidman.html
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    Yea to young actor. Nay to another arc. Definitely kills some of my excitement already.
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
    edited January 2022 Posts: 4,343
    Nowadays all franchises produce films that are connected by a self contained story arc. Even M:I…
    I mean… even Fleming did it.
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    It's getting so old so fast. Doesn't offer the same rewatchability and accessibility to viewers. I can only hope it's at least extremely well done and doesn't make the films super super connected. I'm fine with another Bond in his own universe, but eliminating standalone films is a mistake IMO.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    It also seemingly rules out an established leading man. Unless we can narrow down some names ourselves who have one or two credits in mid-sized movies who are also stage champions.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    It also seemingly rules out an established leading man. Unless we can narrow down some names ourselves who have one or two credits in mid-sized movies who are also stage champions.

    Could anyone have honestly guessed that Connery, Lazenby, Moore, Dalton and Craig were the guys who would land the role? I doubt it. EON also looked through esoteric means. Connery caught Cubby's eye because his wife Dana Broccoli saw him in DARBY O'GILL AND THE LITTLE PEOPLE. Daniel Craig was spotted by Barbara Broccoli in the film ELIZABETH (as opposed to the oft mentioned LAYER CAKE). They weren't even leading men in those films.

    Brosnan remains the only exception as an obvious pick for Bond, and EON parted ways with him as soon as his contract was finished. Makes me think they probably would have never picked him for GE if MGM wasn't so insistent on getting him, and if they weren't in such a vulnerable position post-LTK box office.
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
    edited January 2022 Posts: 4,343
    FoxRox wrote: »
    It's getting so old so fast. Doesn't offer the same rewatchability and accessibility to viewers. I can only hope it's at least extremely well done and doesn't make the films super super connected. I'm fine with another Bond in his own universe, but eliminating standalone films is a mistake IMO.

    Point is continuity works only if films are release kinda close to each other with a maximum three years time frame. They can’t tell connected stories with a 4/5 years gap… so perhaps that’s a good thing.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    edited January 2022 Posts: 8,217
    It also seemingly rules out an established leading man. Unless we can narrow down some names ourselves who have one or two credits in mid-sized movies who are also stage champions.

    Could anyone have honestly guessed that Connery, Lazenby, Moore, Dalton and Craig were the guys who would land the role? I doubt it. EON also looked through esoteric means. Connery caught Cubby's eye because his wife Dana Broccoli saw him in DARBY O'GILL AND THE LITTLE PEOPLE. Daniel Craig was spotted by Barbara Broccoli in the film ELIZABETH (as opposed to the oft mentioned LAYER CAKE). They weren't even leading men in those films.

    I know that, for sure. The only reason I mentioned it is that a lot of the suggestions made on this forum so far have been actors who made their name on TV/streaming, or ones that do have a bit of big screen experience but little theatre/stage clout.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    It also seemingly rules out an established leading man. Unless we can narrow down some names ourselves who have one or two credits in mid-sized movies who are also stage champions.

    Could anyone have honestly guessed that Connery, Lazenby, Moore, Dalton and Craig were the guys who would land the role? I doubt it. EON also looked through esoteric means. Connery caught Cubby's eye because his wife Dana Broccoli saw him in DARBY O'GILL AND THE LITTLE PEOPLE. Daniel Craig was spotted by Barbara Broccoli in the film ELIZABETH (as opposed to the oft mentioned LAYER CAKE). They weren't even leading men in those films.

    I know that, for sure. The only reason I mentioned it is that a lot of the suggestions made on this forum so far have been actors who made their name on TV/streaming, or ones that do have a bit of big screen experience but little theatre/stage clout.

    It's definitely an important distinction. It makes me glad EON still runs casting to this very day. A pick like Daniel Craig would have NEVER happened under any other studio/producer, but Broccoli saw something in him nobody else would hav,e and proved to be a major win, especially after all the initial media backlash.
  • 00Heaven00Heaven Home
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    matt_u wrote: »
    Baz confirms that EoN is searching for a young actor, ruling out Elba, in order to make a new series of hopefully 5 films with a connected narrative arc. No time to standalone adventures.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-10450349/BAZ-BAMIGBOYE-Javier-Bardems-close-encounter-Nicole-Kidman.html

    Anyone know what he means by that last line? Cryptic.

    Could be baz just taking an educated guess. If I recall he didn't have the same scoops for NTTD as he did for SP?
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
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    Well he spoiled Waltz.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited January 2022 Posts: 16,420
    matt_u wrote: »
    Baz confirms that EoN is searching for a young actor, ruling out Elba, in order to make a new series of hopefully 5 films with a connected narrative arc. No time to standalone adventures.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-10450349/BAZ-BAMIGBOYE-Javier-Bardems-close-encounter-Nicole-Kidman.html

    Not exactly a scoop, or requiring any inside info at all in fact. I think we all guessed they want a leading man who can make several films! :D
    I wonder if Baz has any info on whether the Pope is a catholic…
    matt_u wrote: »
    Well he spoiled Waltz.

    Didn’t we all? The guy well-known for playing brilliant baddies is cast in a film called Spectre, who could he be playing…? ;)
  • ImpertinentGoonImpertinentGoon Everybody needs a hobby.
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    It also seemingly rules out an established leading man. Unless we can narrow down some names ourselves who have one or two credits in mid-sized movies who are also stage champions.

    Could anyone have honestly guessed that Connery, Lazenby, Moore, Dalton and Craig were the guys who would land the role? I doubt it. EON also looked through esoteric means. Connery caught Cubby's eye because his wife Dana Broccoli saw him in DARBY O'GILL AND THE LITTLE PEOPLE. Daniel Craig was spotted by Barbara Broccoli in the film ELIZABETH (as opposed to the oft mentioned LAYER CAKE). They weren't even leading men in those films.

    Brosnan remains the only exception as an obvious pick for Bond, and EON parted ways with him as soon as his contract was finished. Makes me think they probably would have never picked him for GE if MGM wasn't so insistent on getting him, and if they weren't in such a vulnerable position post-LTK box office.

    Hearing that in Being James Bond was interesting. There she basically says it was one shot (!!) in Elizabeth of Craig walking down a corridor in billowing black clothes that convinced her he was their man. In my eyes they choice turned out to be fantastic, but to think that was the main impetus (I'm sure they looked at more of his work and would have pulled the plug if there was nothing there) is wild to me.

    As for useless, wild speculations: Based on the last sentence of the Bamigboye piece (which seems to mean he is speculating about someone quite famous) and the other parameters set out (theatre experience and younger than Tom Hardy) I looked at the Laurence Olivier Awards for Best Actor (and the nominees) and there are two that kind of fit: James McAvoy, but I can't see him in the role and ... drum roll ... Andrew Garfield who I also cannot see doing it at all (mainly because I always thought he was American...), but might be a speculation that would lead to someone like Baz writing a line like that.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    I think if he really had heard a rumour and was willing to say that he had then there would be nothing stopping him from printing it. It's just a way to try and claim he's good at his job without actually backing it up.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
    edited January 2022 Posts: 3,152
    Hopefully, they'll have noticed that calling a film 'Jason Bourne' did nothing to re-establish that character or series!
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
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    mtm wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    Baz confirms that EoN is searching for a young actor, ruling out Elba, in order to make a new series of hopefully 5 films with a connected narrative arc. No time to standalone adventures.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-10450349/BAZ-BAMIGBOYE-Javier-Bardems-close-encounter-Nicole-Kidman.html

    Not exactly a scoop, or requiring any inside info at all in fact. I think we all guessed they want a leading man who can make several films! :D
    I wonder if Baz has any info on whether the Pope is a catholic…
    matt_u wrote: »
    Well he spoiled Waltz.

    Didn’t we all? The guy well-known for playing brilliant baddies is cast in a film called Spectre, who could he be playing…? ;)

    He spoiled Waltz being spotted at Pinewood filming NTTD.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    I think they’re setting up a more organized version of DC’s timeline. I think we’re going to see Blofeld again and possibly another big baddie return. My guess for that would be Goldfinger or Trevelyan. I expect a origin story of some kind as well, maybe some back to back filming. I also expect an unknown actor for Bond, and maybe Ralph Fiennes back as M, being Miles. I would like to May in there as it’s time for more characters from the books to come to the movies. One last thing that I fear is this timeline is being written by Purvis and Wade. The number one best way to set up a new Bond is to get rid of them. End rant.
  • LucknFateLucknFate 007 In New York
    edited January 2022 Posts: 1,649
    I really really do not think we'll get Spectre and Blofeld by name again. They really blew the load calling Spectre what they did, as it poisons that storyline for the audience in anything going forward. "Wasn't that a movie already?" Etc.

    We'll get a retread of the main points though; secret organization with a big baddie and bunch of other guys that get in the way. Any "real-world" geopolitics will just be a line or two of exposition that doesn't even make sense, as it's been with the last three.

    The current production model does not really fit a longer Bond arc. If this is really the plan again, it makes me wonder how they will convince three-to-five directors to sign on (who don't just need a job!) and still have a five-film arc that makes sense. They don't exactly have the Harry Potter novels to follow point by point; Fleming's material has been completely disambiguated already.
  • GadgetManGadgetMan Lagos, Nigeria
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    MaxCasino wrote: »
    I think they’re setting up a more organized version of DC’s timeline. I think we’re going to see Blofeld again and possibly another big baddie return. My guess for that would be Goldfinger or Trevelyan. I expect a origin story of some kind as well, maybe some back to back filming. I also expect an unknown actor for Bond, and maybe Ralph Fiennes back as M, being Miles. I would like to May in there as it’s time for more characters from the books to come to the movies. One last thing that I fear is this timeline is being written by Purvis and Wade. The number one best way to set up a new Bond is to get rid of them. End rant.

    Yeah, I feel so too. I would have preferred standalone adventures, but if you serialize a story properly, it works. Maybe we might hear someone's name in the first film of Bond 7's era, only to see the mentioned person in the 2nd or 3rd film. Craig's films were experiments that still worked in a way, because Craig was magnificent in the role.
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    LucknFate wrote: »
    I really really do not think we'll get Spectre and Blofeld by name again. They really blew the load calling Spectre what they did, as it poisons that storyline for the audience in anything going forward. "Wasn't that a movie already?" Etc.

    We'll get a retread of the main points though; secret organization with a big baddie and bunch of other guys that get in the way. Any "real-world" geopolitics will just be a line or two of exposition that doesn't even make sense, as it's been with the last three.

    The current production model does not really fit a longer Bond arc. If this is really the plan again, it makes me wonder how they will convince three-to-five directors to sign on (who don't just need a job!) and still have a five-film arc that makes sense. They don't exactly have the Harry Potter novels to follow point by point; Fleming's material has been completely disambiguated already.

    Well said on your variety of points ! A FIVE film arc ? Too many. Three, tops, would work better. But here's the larger question: WHAT arc ? Another traumatized, troubled Bond ? It worked out great with Daniel Craig, but now, what, change the details and do it again ? I've written this elsewhere on this site - it is time for a tonal change. I have enjoyed all the films as they came out. I definitely preferred Connery's Bond to that of Moore, but even I recognized the obvious: it was time for a change. Moore recognized the absurdities and played it with a wink. The tone of Moore's films started, really, before he came on board, with DAF. It's time again for a tonal change. Go with Tom Hardy ? You'll get another intense Bond -- tormented, perhaps, by realizing he is too short for the part. Won't that be rather like watching repeats ? I know, I know, the early films, in their way, were repetitive, too. I just think it's time to strive for that which Brosnan hoped for - a blend of the tones employed before him. Go light on the backstory. Go heavy on plot and remarkable action. The MI films are eating their lunch, with a mix of just some backstory, some drama, great action sequences, great humor and just enough of it, and just enough plot. (They could use more on that but it has been enough.) Improve on plot and WOW !
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
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    Andrew Garfield who I also cannot see doing it at all (mainly because I always thought he was American...), but might be a speculation that would lead to someone like Baz writing a line like that.
    It's funny - I thought: Andrew Garfield?! But he's a child! Turns out he's six years older than Connery was in Dr. No! :))
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    I want the next Bond directed by Martin Scorsese with Joe Pesci as Bond and De Niro as M.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    Venutius wrote: »
    Andrew Garfield who I also cannot see doing it at all (mainly because I always thought he was American...), but might be a speculation that would lead to someone like Baz writing a line like that.
    It's funny - I thought: Andrew Garfield?! But he's a child! Turns out he's six years older than Connery was in Dr. No! :))

    That's crazy... Garfield has an incredibly youthful look compared to someone like Connery.
  • mattjoesmattjoes Julie T. and the M.G.'s
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    I want the next Bond directed by Martin Scorsese with Joe Pesci as Bond and De Niro as M.
    God, I love this. If I had a gazillion dollars, I would spend all the money needed to make it happen.

    -Where the f*** do you get off developing a nanobot weapon behind my back, going over my head?
    -What weapon?
    -What weapon, d'ja think I wasn't gonna find out?
    -I don't even know what you're talking about, Bond...
    -No? You told the PM the explosion was a gas leak? You sent 007 to Jamaica to threaten me? I gotta go die on an island to save your job? You better send a f***** army pal!
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    A Goodfellas Bond ? Do I like it ? A little bit..A little bit.
  • mattjoesmattjoes Julie T. and the M.G.'s
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    Haha! I'm gonna go capture Blofeld, capture Blofeld.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    edited January 2022 Posts: 8,217
    I would like to see a Q and Bond scene in the vain of the Jimmy and Johnny scene where the latter has bought his wife a nice new car.

    What did I tell you? Didn't I tell you not to break anything? To bring it back in one piece? What did I tell you?
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    Or Bond and M hitting each other in the face. Then, I could respect Judi Dench coming back. “You throw a Purvis like you take it up the Wade, come on.”
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