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Oh wow, what a great Top 8!
Something like that.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=iikyCYGBg-s
Oh, wow. What an almost great Top 8! Just eject SF and replace it with GE. NOW.
Nothing but a lie right here. We all know @Thunderfinger's Top 8 looks a little like this:
1.) DAD
2.) TND
3.) DAD
4.) GE
5.) TND
6.) GE
7.) TWINE
8.) DAD
And you don't have an idea in your head but rather gobs of criticism you can't back up.
Wow. Just goes to show that it really does take all kinds. DAD alone has probably 50 lines that are markedly inferior to that one.
...and that video comes from Awesome Movie Quotes
because it's an awesome quote. Like pretty much anything in Spectre, highly quotable and memorable.
The only thing remembered from SF will be...well you know...
The Bulldog?
DAD is an embarrassment in its entirety.
You obviously have a different view, which you're entirely entitled to. Hinx turned your crank. I'm happy for you. He did nothing for me outside of the eyeball gouge, which I've already indicated was impressive, as was the fight. In between, it could have been any other lackey going about the motions.
To each their own.
PS: Still think your suggestions above are far from brilliant, unless it was an attempt at sarcastic wit at my expense rather than having a genuine discussion, in which case I missed it, and then it's not bad.
This is where we differ in viewpoint. I found the early Jaws scenes in TSWLM, including the aforementioned three encounters in Egypt to be infinitely more interesting and threatening than the eye gouge sequence on its own. The latter was disturbing, but not as tensely pulled together as the Pyramid, phone booth or Temple encounters, which were expertly directed by Gilbert despite limited 'gore' factor, at least imho.
The train fight was definitely more visceral in SP compared to the earlier film, but it was derivative of the one in TSWLM (and other earlier Bond films that had fights on trains) and consequently that took away some of the 'wow' and iconic factor for me.
While the humour was limited in the car chase (it is others who have suggested here that it was humorous - I certainly didn't feel that way), the lack of tension (intentional?) during the chase removed any sense of apprehension in the theatre for me. Bond talking casually on the phone in particular took away from the moment, which is why I would have preferred another lackey being the one doing the chasing - and not the recently introduced 'scary' Hinx.
Again, just my view.
Yes I agree with this too. More of a problem I thought is that Hinx doesn't even look like he's trying to kill Bond at all, he looks more like he's engaging in a friendly race. There really is no menace in his character besides his opening scene (which I might have even yawned at, it felt cliche) and the train fight. Somehow, even if he was played for laughs a lot of the time, Jaws always felt more menacing.
That's certainly part of the problem with Hinx. The other would be that, other than his brief introduction and then the fight with Bond on the train, he doesn't do anything. The rest of his screen time is devoted to either driving or sitting in a vehicle while just letting Bond do his thing almost uninterrupted.
Spectre still coming in for a hard time around here, despite the pre-credits scene ranking high in the elimination game. Despite its flaws (and what Bond movie doesn't have flaws?) I love it. Am toying with the idea of moving it up from number 7 on my list. Will give it another watch this week and see!
Well that's kind of what Bond henchmen do. They are silent but deadly types who have a few--if any--spoken lines, and their purpose is to be the brawn behind the evil brains. The characters are almost never developed, and they don't "do" much of anything other than fight, assassinate and drive vehicles of sundry sort. People are not critiquing Hinx according to the standards of previous henchmen; they are critiquing him according to irrelevant standards, and then panning him when he fails to meet them. It's really a case of grasping at thin reeds to bash SP, when there are plenty of legitimate failings in that film that are worthy of legitimate criticism.
The problem is, he doesn't even rise to the level of doing what we've seen from the previous henchmen. Yes, you're correct in say that he's supposed to be the "brawn behind the evil brains", but aside from his introduction scene and his final one, he doesn't even accomplish anything that would raise him up onto the level of even some of the more mediocre Bond henchmen.
He makes his eye-gouging kill in his introduction. Then his menace is reduced to tailgating, pointing a gun (albeit a cool one), and staring into a security camera, before his big fight with Bond.
Then what of Krasno Granitskii, generally reckoned the acme of Bond henchmen? He offs a flunky in the PTS, gets slugged in the gut by Klebb, then spends almost the entirety of the film loosely shadowing Bond before the terminal punch-up. You see, henchmen are not usually the main adversaries. They are generally handmaidens to the primary villain. Hinx was used about the way most henchmen are, but his impact was far greater than his screen time.
Grant and Bond never meet until the end. Grant shadowing Bond created a sense of foreboding for me, because I didn't know what would happen when they finally would meet. When they did, there was no disappointment at all. From Grant impersonating Nash, to red wine with fish, to the brilliant fight. It built up to the conclusion nicely and when they met, it was as expected - thrilling. That is the key point for me.
With Hinx, he does meet Bond, when he chases him. Then again at the clinic and car chase, where he is beaten, and then finally in the train. So we see how Bond reacts to him, and it's with relative calm and disdain (at least in the clinic and during the car chase) rather than fear. Moreover, he beats him each time. Only in the train do we see some real fear from Bond, when he realizes he can't beat him one on one, but that would have been much more effective (in my view) if we didn't have the intervening lacklustre confrontations between the two. Go straight from the Spectre meeting to the fight in the train, and have Hinx kill others in between (even White potentially).
Regarding different standards being used to judge Hinx, as @Birdleson said with the Star Wars example, when you keep doing something that you've done before, you can do it bigger and better (and that's arguable with Hinx) but after a while it's just repetitive. The standard 'moves' when you have the fourth train fight, or umpteenth car chase. It's not judged by the same level as DN or even TSWLM for that matter, but by a higher one, as it should, precisely because it's increasingly derivative the more times you do it. That's why I found the QoS chase interesting - because it was quite visceral. Same goes for the CR Aston flip. Very unexpected, that.
And all of this is subjective anyway. There is no objective 'standard'. Just the one in the eye of the beholder.
Excellent post @bondjames.
You have to say that it is only having one of the top 5 fights in the series that saves Hinx from ignominy.
Swap the fight between Hinx and Bond for Hans v Bond or Kriegler v Bond and he would be absolutely abysmal.
I didn't read a word of those press clippings and I strongly suspect few other movie-goers did either. Hinx is simply a top-tier henchman and the SP-bashers can't deal with it. Not my problem.