The Last Jedi SPOILER THREAD

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  • RC7RC7
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    But on the plus side, he does create more compelling characters than Lucas ended up doing with his prequels and his dialogues are better.
    This was the key point for me, given how poor the prequels were in this respect. I know some disagree, but all these new characters were very compelling for me. They resonated, despite the fact that some have said that they are not written all that well.

    Moreover, all the principal characters (Rey in particular, Finn, Poe & BB8) had some pluck/spirit to them (well maybe not Finn initially, but Rey brought something courageous out of him, and at least he is honourable). I liked that. It was old school.

    I agree. The new characters were the strongest point of TFA, a hark back to the original trilogy, while the prequels were rigged with lifeless characters while destroying the classic ones (Obi Wan Kenobi especially) into dry movie props.

    A nine-year-old could write more rounded characters than those found in the prequels. TFA wasn't a vast step up for me, certainly better, but not a patch on the originals.
  • It's funny- there are theories out there, questioning whether it was Kylo Ren or Han who ignited the lightsaber....
    It wasn't Han or Kylo.... it was Harrison Ford! (que dramatic music)
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    It's funny- there are theories out there, questioning whether it was Kylo Ren or Han who ignited the lightsaber....
    It wasn't Han or Kylo.... it was Harrison Ford! (que dramatic music)

    Be it as it may, it is the worst plot twist ever and possibly the highest crime ever committed in Hollywood.
    For me it has killed of the franchise (live action).

    I still will enjoy the first 6 movies.
    And I absolutely loved Star Wars The Clone Wars and I can't get enough of Star Wars Rebels.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    It's funny- there are theories out there, questioning whether it was Kylo Ren or Han who ignited the lightsaber....
    It wasn't Han or Kylo.... it was Harrison Ford! (que dramatic music)

    My friend actually mentioned that to me two days ago: you don't see who activates the lightsaber, which is a good point. Hadn't thought about that.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    It's funny- there are theories out there, questioning whether it was Kylo Ren or Han who ignited the lightsaber....
    It wasn't Han or Kylo.... it was Harrison Ford! (que dramatic music)

    My friend actually mentioned that to me two days ago: you don't see who activates the lightsaber, which is a good point. Hadn't thought about that.

    What fracking sense would it make if Han Solo activated it himself? Did he want Kylo to finally completely turn to the dark side?

    Well, I thank JJ for Star Trek (which I love) but he failed miserably with Star Wars imho.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    It's funny- there are theories out there, questioning whether it was Kylo Ren or Han who ignited the lightsaber....
    It wasn't Han or Kylo.... it was Harrison Ford! (que dramatic music)

    Be it as it may, it is the worst plot twist ever and possibly the highest crime ever committed in Hollywood.
    For me it has killed of the franchise (live action).

    I still will enjoy the first 6 movies.
    And I absolutely loved Star Wars The Clone Wars and I can't get enough of Star Wars Rebels.

    http://i68.tinypic.com/5waveq.png

    Apologies, just can't help myself ;)
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
    Posts: 9,020
    It's funny- there are theories out there, questioning whether it was Kylo Ren or Han who ignited the lightsaber....
    It wasn't Han or Kylo.... it was Harrison Ford! (que dramatic music)

    Be it as it may, it is the worst plot twist ever and possibly the highest crime ever committed in Hollywood.
    For me it has killed of the franchise (live action).

    I still will enjoy the first 6 movies.
    And I absolutely loved Star Wars The Clone Wars and I can't get enough of Star Wars Rebels.

    http://i68.tinypic.com/5waveq.png

    Apologies, just can't help myself ;)

    :)) that's ok.
    so I gather you don't like the animated shows of Star Wars :)
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    They are very good.

    For kids.
  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    I quite enjoy having new Star Wars stories every week in the form of Rebels, plus there's a strong cast.

    I just don't get what the problem is with Han's death. I love Han's character, and his arc, and felt it was a strong moment. Had the prequels come first, it would have been the same with Obi-Wan Kenobi. An important mentor dies in every first movie in the trilogy, Han was not only the logical but the perfect choice because audiences were invested in him.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    They are very good.

    For kids.

    so is TFA, for kids, but not good.
  • I hope you guys don’t mind me resurrecting an old thread- formerly The Force Awakens spoiler thread, now retitled.
    For the same reason as before, the whole thread is all spoiler tags! :))

    Let loose with the spoilers here!!
    I'll understand if this gets closed right away, but I figure it was worth a shot.

    The general Star Wars thread is 99% spoiler tags and that shite's annoying on your cellphone, lol!
    This movie was big enough to warrant it's own thread where you can let the spoilers loose!

    What do you think: want to keep the general Star Wars talk on the other thread and keep the spoilers and wild theories for TFA & EpisodeVIII in here, just for the people who've seen it?

  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    Greet idea, @Master_Dahark.
    Your insight serves you well, my friend.
  • It does me credit, but it could be made to serve the emperor.


    Now..... how the hell did Maz get Luke’s saber?
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    It does me credit, but it could be made to serve the emperor.


    Now..... how the hell did Maz get Luke’s saber?

    From the same place Kylo got Granddad s helmet?
  • ggl007ggl007 www.archivo007.com Spain, España
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    - Jedi do not fly
    - Snoke is stronger and 1000 times better than Kylo and Rey together
    - Rey seeing a man torso and her words are ridiculous
    - Mary Popppins is not a SW character
    - Phasma is a gag from Monty Python, isn't she?
    - Absolutely nothing new in Williams' work
    - Don't laugh of Jedi books
    - Yoda's ghost is stronger than a human?
    - Chewie, C3PO and R2D2... If you don't know what to do with them, do nothing
    - Superman in a SW film?... Oh, wait, it's Carrie Fisher's last film, let's do something new, brave and never seen... She can fly! Bad idea ever.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited December 2017 Posts: 23,883
    ggl007 wrote: »
    - Mary Popppins is not a SW character
    No but she's a Disney one. ;)
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    Captain Phasma is to these new movies whst Boba Fett was to the old ones. Cool looking character, but basically there to sell toys , msybe have better story arcs and character exposition in expanded universe.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Phasma is boring. They are killing off the interesting characters. Only Rey and Ben left now. Hope there will be a lot of those two in IX, to make it worthwhile.
  • Luke had a beautiful exit. I really hope Mark will return in Episode IX as a ghost.

    It’s just that the end of The Force Awakens filled me with such hope; I thought we’d see Luke come back, join Leia, and have some sort of happy ending. In reality, he never left that damn planet.

    Now that I know this is how Luke’s story ends, and I’ve come to accept it, I’d like to see the movie again.

    The Last Jedi might just improve with multiple viewings- a sign of a good movie is when you notice something new every time, and there’s obvious great direction here.

    I guess I wanted the fairytale ending, but got harsh realism (for Luke) and I’m starting to appreciate it. Does that make any sense? :-(
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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    I need to see it again to try and get a better grasp on it. Have to say the first viewing left me 50/50
    Liked a lot.
    Didn't like a lot. At all.
    Biggest gripes, Flying Leia in space, killing Ackbar and being told secondhand, way too much humour. Most of it works, but I felt too much. General Hux is becoming a buffoon character. I like the power struggle between him and Kylo. But he's getting too jokey. Thrown around via the force.
    The animals Finn and Rose ride evoked memories of the prequel trilogy. Too much CGI, and a scene that just isn't needed.
    I did like the space battles, the connection and characters Rey and Kylo. I loved Mark Hamill and can forgive them killing off Luke. I even liked the Finn and Rose sub story. Poe is a good supporting character, and the fight in Snokes chambers with Kylo and Rey and the guards was pretty good.
    On first viewing I preferred TFA. At present I'd put this as a middle of the road entry.

    TESB
    ANH
    TFA
    ROTJ
    RO / TLJ
    ROTS
    TPM
    AOTC
  • Agreed on Hux, @Benny - that guy’s a great actor but here he’s a dope
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited December 2017 Posts: 23,883
    @Master_Dahark absolutely agree, and that's how I feel too. This film should improve with multiple viewings. Life is like that too after all. Most of us don't get to go out on a high (well, some are hoping to ;) ).
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    I think Hux has been over the top character ever since he delivered that nazi speech to the first order troops in TFA.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Did people find that some of the characters lacked oomph (for lack of a better word)? Like they were just 'there' without resonating. That's not something I normally associate with SW. I felt a lack of emotional heft, which is something this series normally excels with.
  • @bondjames The Force Awakens introduced some cool new characters. This go-around, only Rey & Poe were worth a damn.

    I hope they give Finn something important to do next time
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited December 2017 Posts: 23,883
    I agree @Master_Dahark. I loved Finn in TFA, but found him quite superfluous in this one. His whole plot line was somewhat useless imho. A pity because Boyega is quite watchable.

    I think even Poe was misused here (and I really like Isaac in the role). The opening scene with Hux was great though.

    I'd say only Rey and Kylo were really compelling in this one.
  • bondjames wrote: »
    I'd say only Rey and Kylo were really compelling in this one.

    Good thing, because they may have to carry Episode IX on their own.
    Not the way I thought it would go...
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    bondjames wrote: »
    I'd say only Rey and Kylo were really compelling in this one.

    Good thing, because they may have to carry Episode IX on their own.
    Not the way I thought it would go...
    Good point, and that's indeed the way it seems to be shaping out.
  • edited December 2017 Posts: 2,107
    I agree Finn was used much better in TFA.

    I feel the whole "find the hacker" plotline was there just to give Finn something to do.

    That part of the movie also felt very prequel-ish...

    When Finn was going to sacrifice himself, two thoughts crossed my mind; they're really just going to kill a new character introduced just one movie before. But then I thought that he at least get a meaningful death, having been on the run from the first order ever since TFA and now gets to save the day and help the resistance against the first order. I was kinda bummed out that Rose stole that moment from him. But afterwards was glad they saved him for episode 9 and that Luke got that meaningful death.
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
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    Alright I'll post my thoughts here...
    Let me begin by saying I am not a massive star wars fan in so far as I wont dress up as kylo ren to the theater. I do however like to watch the movies and have done so at least 4-5 times for each one, if not more for some of the better installments. I saw the force awakens 2 years ago and hated it because it was a rehash and just over all boring with garbage action, then I saw RO a year ago, and came out of the theater stunned thinking that it was perhaps the best star wars film ever. Now this year I was really looking forward to TLJ. I had faith that they would not do a rehash again and that they would steer the saga in a new direction with hopefully a couple twists along the way, and to their credit they did half of that. I came out of this film appalled at how bad it was, I almost wanted to laugh at all the star wars fans clapping at the end credits because what I had just seen was egregiously terrible. Lets go in order shall we, The crawl is fine, nothing really spectacular but I guess not much really happens in between the last film and this one, then we are trusted into this space battle with Po and the empire which is really stupid because they are like 4 massive imperial ships and one tiny rebel ship is able to show them dust. Anyway that was okay but it went on for too long. Then there was that long sort of action thing that kept going on for the whole film with the rebel ships trying to flee the empire but they're running out of gas and the empire cant simply shoot them becuase?? Anyway that whole story arc is boring and shit. Also it has flying carrie fisher which is nonsense. Then we have Rey and Luke and their time on the island. Now, two things happen on this island which I genuinely enjoy, the thing about Luke attempting to Kill ben, which is awesome, and force ghost yoda(they should have got force ghost Kenobi/Guinness too). On the flip side the whole force communication between Rey and Ben is bullshit, and nothing interesting happens on this island, Lukes a bit shit and does nothing. Then we have a terrible sequence on some casino planet, Im not even going to bother with this one, it should be clear why I hate it. Then there is an awesome sequence with Rey, Ben, and Snoke, everything about that is awesome except for the part when Snoke gets killed. What a bloody cock tease that character is. The whole rest of the final act is shit on that dumb salt planet and the whole Luke is using the force to teleport there but hes not really there, thats all nonsense. Then Luke dies, what an unfulfilling use of that character. terrible. Then we end the film still at square one, the only difference is that Luke is dead for no reason so thanks Ryan Johnson. This film took no risks, it felt like a tv show phoning it in for one episode in a much larger season. There was nothing remarkable there was no big reveal like ESB. On the contrary I found it silly and unremarkable. I cant even recommend anyone to see this.... ever, even if its on tv I mean why?, Its a waste of time.
    2/10

    My new ranking
    1.ROJ
    2.RO
    3.ANH
    4.ESB
    5.ROS
    6.AOC
    7.TFA
    8.TLJ
    9.PM

    Next time I do a marathon, the only way I could see this list changing would be the phantom menace going 2 higher, and ROJ being the new low. At least that one had a cool Darth Maul fight at the end.

    I cant even be one of those people who say"Oh disney should stop making star wars films" because I loved RO.

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