James Bond dies ?

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  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Now THAT... would work!
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    If it leads to the Code Name theory being made official then no.
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    Murdock wrote: »
    If it leads to the Code Name theory being made official then no.

    Yeah, interestingly a friend of a friend thought Skyfall was messing with Bond lore by having his parents' graves because of the code theory - despite the fact that Bond's parents are in Fleming's novels!
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    tanaka123 wrote: »
    Murdock wrote: »
    If it leads to the Code Name theory being made official then no.

    Yeah, interestingly a friend of a friend thought Skyfall was messing with Bond lore by having his parents' graves because of the code theory - despite the fact that Bond's parents are in Fleming's novels!
    *groan* Back to the drilling machine..
    X(
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    I'm not saying let's immediately bring in his young son. Years later, his son (whether legitimate or illegitimate) does turn up to become a spy. Decades later.

    Congratulations on your 'Shittest Idea of The Year Award' following on from the inaugural winners last year - P&W for Blofeld as Bond's stepbrother.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    I'm not saying let's immediately bring in his young son. Years later, his son (whether legitimate or illegitimate) does turn up to become a spy. Decades later.

    Congratulations on your 'Shittest Idea of The Year Award' following on from the inaugural winners last year - P&W for Blofeld as Bond's stepbrother.
    Eon started it! :))

    But, I always appreciate your input, Wiz.

    That said, in 25-30 years time, the perspective of the Bond fans will not be the same as it is now. My 'Shittiest Idea', which I understand why it got the rise out of everyone in a majorly negative manner, will seem to be something very regular to suggest in the future. It happened with Sherlock Holmes. Many interpretations. It happened with Monte Cristo. It happened with Zorro. It happened with many characters. Even Bulldog Drummond (who had an American nephew in the first film with Richard Johnson, yet nothing of that sort was present in the books). But, that will be the future.
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    No.

    No as well.
  • edited April 2016 Posts: 1,661
    I don't think the idea of Bond's son is that far fetched. If the franchise is to endure another 50 years then why not shake up the formula? Bond Snr could die and his son takes over. Craig era Bond was a reboot and I doubt anyone expected that when DAD came out in 2002. Things can't stay the same forever.

    Okay this idea may suck but it's not as sucky as Bond as a woman! ;))
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    fanbond123 wrote: »
    I don't think the idea of Bond's son is that far fetched. If the franchise is to endure another 50 years then why not shake up the formula? Bond Snr could die and his son takes over. Craig era Bond was a reboot and I doubt anyone expected that when DAD came out in 2002. Things can't stay the same forever.

    I actually wrote a letter to them in 2000 (I was 13) that I wanted them to do Casino Royale and reboot. Bond's son? Just no.
  • RC7RC7
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    Some of you have absolutely lost the plot. Open the window.
  • Mark_HazzardMark_Hazzard Classified
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    I like @tanaka123's idea for ending an actor's era. I could be roughly the same as the ending of the Bourne trilogy though, and given the similarities between DC's run and that franchise, I'd be careful with that.

    The FRWL novel left it more ambiguous indeed. Combining that with the YOLT novel ending and TMWTGG novel beginning, that would be very intriguing.

    This could work with one actor stopping and another one picking up. Since DC is always looking for that angle with unique character development, he might find it appealing.

    Based on the novels I mentioned it could be something along the line of this:
    So: Bond sacrifices himself for Queen and Country, gets heavily injured and is presumed dead. He has received a hard blow on the head, resulting in amnesia. Subsequently he is brainwashed and recruited by SPECTRE, send on a mission to cause havoc at MI6 with ultimately an attempt on M's life (or the PM, perhaps the Queen?). As Bond returns to MI6, Moneypenny feels things are wrong and thinks is not the same James he was. The attack is just avoided thanks to her. Bond goes through a more thorough assessment and training than in SF and is send on a mission to redeem himself and bring a blow to SPECTRE. He uses information he gathered while being with them in his brainwashed state. I'd love to see a more ruthless side of SPECTRE's training and some backend of their operations, akin to SMERSH in the novels and a more in-depth look in a 'SPECTRE Island' facility like the one in the FRWL movie. There is a personal side to this story for Bond, obviously, but we would finally be returning to a proper spy story. The spy story to end all spy stories...

    This would be a rather unusual and non-formulaic Bond movie, yet very interesting and spy-fi to the bone.
  • edited April 2016 Posts: 337
    The films made it painfully obvious that the Bond's are one and the same, even without the graves in Skyfall. I wouldn't mind if the codename theory was actually true, though - we could have Lazenby's Bond resigning because of his wife's death, Moore's Bond retiring, one of the others killed in action, etc.

    Anyway, no, he shouldn't die in a film.
  • Mark_HazzardMark_Hazzard Classified
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    The only codename that the series should have is "007". And James Bond IS 007.
  • RC7RC7
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    The film's made painfully obvious that the Bond's are one and the same, even without the graves in Skyfall. I wouldn't mind if the codename theory was actually true, though - we could have Lazenby's Bond resigning because of his wife's death, Moore's Bond retiring, one of the others killed in action, etc.

    What do you mean, you wouldn't mind if it was true? Your comment suggests there is some debate. There isn't a debate.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
    edited April 2016 Posts: 9,117
    RC7 wrote: »
    Some of you have absolutely lost the plot. Open the window.

    Well said Sir.

    This is all getting out of hand. Someone's already suggested a female Bond so in a minute someone else will suggest a gay Bond and then we'll round to a black Bond and the interminable Idris Elba will hove into view like some sort of sop to PC liberalism iceberg (if you can imagine such a thing).

    Son of Bond is a shit idea who should be aborted while he's still in the womb.

    Apart from anything I keep seeing people say 'it would shake things up' or 'it would stop the series getting stale' without actually asking how and why this would be the case.

    Would we have son of Bond getting into a DB5 and winking to Q 'My Dad always said that the clutch was a bit sticky' Ho ho.

    Or mugging to camera as he said 'Shaken not stirred. As my old man used to say.' Chortle.

    If he is constantly referencing his Dad it would be an embarrassment if he doesn't what's the point of the whole f**king exercise?

    Utter bollocks which as @ClarkDevlin says will no doubt come to pass one day when some f**kwitted studio exec gets his hands on the rights but hopefully I'll be dead by then.
    RC7 wrote: »
    The film's made painfully obvious that the Bond's are one and the same, even without the graves in Skyfall. I wouldn't mind if the codename theory was actually true, though - we could have Lazenby's Bond resigning because of his wife's death, Moore's Bond retiring, one of the others killed in action, etc.

    What do you mean, you wouldn't mind if it was true? Your comment suggests there is some debate. There isn't a debate.

    Well said again Sir. Glad to know I'm not the only one who doesnt need sectioning on here.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    RC7 wrote: »
    Some of you have absolutely lost the plot. Open the window.

    This, 10,000% this.

  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    I'm sure Lee Tamahori is reading this thread and rubbing his hands, thinking of all these wonderful ideas he can put into motion if EON ever get totally drunk again like in 2002 and sign him to do another Bond film.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    I'm sure Lee Tamahori is reading this thread and rubbing his hands, thinking of all these wonderful ideas he can put into motion if EON ever get totally drunk again like in 2002 and sign him to do another Bond film.

    Or Zac Snyder. If anyone can put Bond to death it's him.
  • edited April 2016 Posts: 12,837
    I think this thread is sort of going off track here. What I think @Problem_Eliminator was suggesting was simply the death of Bond as the end of an actors era. Which I think, if done right, could be a great idea.

    The Craig era has changed things and any notion of every Bond actor existing in the same continuity has pretty much gone out the window (you could actually go further and argue this actually happened as far back as OHMSS). I think from now on we'll get more different/experimental interpretations of the character, each in their own universe (sort of like Batman going from the 80s ones to the Nolan trilogy to the new one). Like they did with the Craig era, I think there's a good chance that EON will probably try the overarching story thing in the future. Rather than just having stand alone films, at some point down the line another Bond actor will have a clear beginning middle and end to his tenure. I can see Bond's death being a great end to an era. Whether they do a big dramatic sacrificing himself to save the world or a more simple dying in battle death (I'm reminded of Walter White's death in Breaking Bad, he knows this is the end, his last stand, but he's killed by a single stray bullet that doesn't actually finish him off until he's finished taking care of things; this sort of thing could work for Bond) I think it could be a great ending.

    I vaguely remember an interview with Brosnan where he suggested Bond dying saving the world. Shame he couldn't have got a great final film that used this plot device. How great would that have been. Brosnan goes out on a high note, the old Bond dies in a blaze of glory making way for the origin story of CR.
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    I think this thread is sort of going off track here. What I think @Problem_Eliminator was suggesting was simply the death of Bond as the end of an actors era. Which I think, if done right, could be a great idea.

    The Craig era has changed things and any notion of every Bond actor existing in the same continuity has pretty much gone out the window (you could actually go further and argue this actually happened as far back as OHMSS). I think from now on we'll get more different/experimental interpretations of the character, each in their own universe (sort of like Batman going from the 80s ones to the Nolan trilogy to the new one). Like they did with the Craig era, I think there's a good chance that EON will probably try the overarching story thing in the future. Rather than just having stand alone films, at some point down the line another Bond actor will have a clear beginning middle and end to his tenure. I can see Bond's death being a great end to an era. Whether they do a big dramatic sacrificing himself to save the world or a more simple dying in battle death (I'm reminded of Walter White's death in Breaking Bad, he knows this is the end, his last stand, but he's killed by a single stray bullet that doesn't actually finish him off until he's finished taking care of things; this sort of thing could work for Bond) I think it could be a great ending.

    I vaguely remember an interview with Brosnan where he suggested Bond dying saving the world. Shame he couldn't have got a great final film that used this plot device. How great would that have been. Brosnan goes out on a high note, the old Bond dies in a blaze of glory making way for the origin story of CR.

    That is exactly what I was going for.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    They'll never kill off the goose that lays the golden eggs so this debate is a non-starter in my opinion.
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    I'm sure Lee Tamahori is reading this thread and rubbing his hands, thinking of all these wonderful ideas he can put into motion if EON ever get totally drunk again like in 2002 and sign him to do another Bond film.

    Or Zac Snyder. If anyone can put Bond to death it's him.

    He could create a Bond League. He has all the characters - Female Bond, Black Bond, Son of Bond etc. Each could have it's own spin off. If Bond died, just a drop or two of Blofeld's blood and he's back - if somewhat large and angry.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Let's get a gritty reboot of James Bond Jr.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Can we get a period piece Bond set in the 23rd century?
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    chrisisall wrote: »
    Can we get a period piece Bond set in the 23rd century?

    No.
  • edited April 2016 Posts: 337
    RC7 wrote: »
    What do you mean, you wouldn't mind if it was true? Your comment suggests there is some debate. There isn't a debate.

    My comment doesn't suggest that there's a debate in the slightest. Read what I said:
    The films made it painfully obvious that the Bond's are one and the same, even without the graves in Skyfall.

    I don't know how it's possible to get "there's some debate" from someone saying that something is "painfully obvious".

    All I'm saying is that even if this wasn't the case and if the codename theory was true, I wouldn't be too fussy about it. But regardless, it is the case, so it doesn't really matter.
  • RC7RC7
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    RC7 wrote: »
    What do you mean, you wouldn't mind if it was true? Your comment suggests there is some debate. There isn't a debate.

    My comment doesn't suggest that there's a debate in the slightest. Read what I said:
    The films made it painfully obvious that the Bond's are one and the same, even without the graves in Skyfall.

    I don't know how it's possible to get "there's some debate" from someone saying that something is "painfully obvious".

    All I'm saying is that even if this wasn't the case and if the codename theory was true, I wouldn't be too fussy about it. But regardless, it is the case, so it doesn't really matter.

    I got there from the comment, 'If it 'was' true', which you wrote again, above. That implies debate - ie. it may or may not be true. What I'm saying is quite simple. There is no debate.
  • @RC7 - I'm using the word "if" because it's a fantasy. It's obviously not true, as I made extremely clear earlier in my post.
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    Pure no no for me! Long live the Bond!
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
    edited April 2016 Posts: 5,131
    Agreed. I wouldn't mind a film that ended ambiguously like FRWL the novel. But die.....no.
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