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Bigotry goes both ways. Hating on people with religious views isn't productive; let people believe what they want. Everyone is raised differently and is allowed to believe what they want.
People should treat the bible as the fiction it is, and like all fiction we read, learn things about life from the experiences of the characters and their trials. It is also crucial for people to realize that because the bible was written at a time when society was in a nascent age and massively unprogressive and cruel, our laws or beliefs in our modern age should no longer have to conform to the sick views of long ago.
It just disappoints me that people throw their lives away in pursuit of such a thing, and in many ways, only serve to halt the progress we could realize as a socially accepting and overall, educated and informed mass.
Sorry to disagree but some people's beliefs, should Not be respected. :(
Not everyone who believes in God thinks it's okay to commit terrorist acts. My policy is, if you're not hurting anyone/anthing and are abiding by the law, you should be left alone and not ridiculed, whether you believe in God or not.
Did the IRA represent Catholicism? Are all Catholics terrorists?
Just before anyone believes I will be dragged into an endless round of debate on a subject unconnected with 'Do You Believe In Ghosts?' I won't. There has been enough Jasper Maskelyn shenanigans as it is without setting course on another path which takes us away from the subject at hand.
My suggestion is start another thread perhaps where it can be discussed at length.
Just to get my hand on the tiller for a moment. The flaws I mentioned on the previous page - actually flaws which encompass not one but two posts - haven't been replied to.
Well, since a belief in ghosts and a belief in God exist for some of the same reasons, I'd say the latter is a natural extension of the debate of the former.
As I said, I don't have an issue with spirituality or people choosing to pray and go to church and all that, though it does still depress me a bit-the issue I have is when the religious see progressive changes to laws like federally backed gay marriage as a violation of their religious rights, after which they often claim that there is now a war on Christianity going on. It is sickening when I watch these God fearing lunatics with the audacity to curl into a ball and play victim over the simple and harmless idea of a man and a man or a woman and a woman wanting to find the same happiness as a heterosexual couple can in a matrimonial agreement.
This kind of shit is why gays are still murdered in broad daylight all over the world and people barely bat an eye because it's viewed as unnatural and worthy of punishment in so many cultures. We can thank religion for all that. I just find it funny that people actually believe they were created by a man in the clouds, and am even more baffled that people are more willing to listen to a book written by the best con men in history than follow their own heart and minds. The religious don't seem too keen to think about anything for themselves, as all they have to say is just recycled statements their preacher told them, or more amusing are those who give you exact quotes from the bible down to the book, page and verse. Imagine what these folks could do to help the world if they invested that time and energy into something that would actually help other people? But no, it's much easier to get on your knees and pray your heart away, hoping your problems will just go away instead of actually doing something to change the way things are.
One big reason to point towards God not existing is the simple fact that we're not extinct. In the bible God flooded the world in Noah's time because his creations were wicked and didn't believe in him. Nowadays we've got mass poverty, violence, war, disease and endless suffering in its many forms worldwide orchestrated by cruel and crooked people, so you'd think God would look down at us and say, "I'm so disappointed with you all, what have I done? I must wipe the slate clean." And yet, here we still stand.
Christ, I am losing IQ points just talking about these hypotheticals. Pick up my slack here, @DarthDimi, and burn a few bibles for me while I go take a nap.
What question specifically did you feel hasn't been answered yet?
In their big magic book !
People who work on the Sabbath, are to be Killed !
Same with teenage or unmarried women who have sex, a bit
More killing :))
You guys really do believe in some crazy y shit ! :))
Or ......
Because you aren't following the rules, do you just hate a bit of man on man action ?
Stick the religious tag on anything, and it becomes acceptable, as in I will not let a
Gay coup!e stay in my bed & breakfast as it's against my religious teachings, or I will
Not ice that cake for a gay couple because it's against my religious beliefs. :))
Call it what it is guys, Religion is a great way to justify bigotry ;)
If you look on my post of the previous page - I think it's somewhere in the last third of posts - I pointed out that someone made an error. Different errors were posted by two people on the same subject. I will say no more but those errors should be obvious to anyone who has knowledge of court procedures (I'm guessing, only guessing mind) that USA protocols don't differ so widely from those in the UK as to acceptable - thus prejudicial - to participants in hearings.
It s the arrogance of ignorance.
noun
1An idiosyncratic belief or impression maintained despite being contradicted by reality or rational argument, typically as a symptom of mental disorder.
‘the delusion of being watched’
This thread has developed a pattern I have seen many many times. It stems from the fact that non beleivers have expectations re the debate. These are based on their collective values of evidence based research, logic, reason etc. By defition, these are not values held by everyone within the debate and, therefore, its simply not possible to have a long term, meaningful exchange. Non beleivers get frustrated as they are waiting for evidence. Beleivers get upset when they perceive that they have been insulted (see above that the defintion is perfect) but it is perceived as an insult and this leads to the victimisation route.
Just for the record, forum members can call me what ever they like, it wont change anything. The only thing that alters the balance is evidence plus, as a beleiver in free speech, if you want to call me a fruitcake for not beleiving in ghosts, then fair enough. I support your right to do so.
As these debates develop, it is normally the beleivers who call for the debate to end as the perceived victimisation becomes intolerable and the "bigotry" is just too much the take.
People who make extraordinary claims should expect to have their beliefs scrutinised. But many seem to want to run a coach and horses through basic physics without such scrutiny.
Believers in certain areas of faith have completely succeeded in this tactic of closing down debate. I can guarantee that if I started a thread entitled "do you beleive in Islam", the mods would close it prety quickly. (not having a go at them) but the topic has become hyper sensitive within our society. So debate is locked down. Debate should always be seen as a very healthy thing and we should do everything we can to support debate in all areas of life.
You are pleading for special knowledge: we share the same ignorance about ghosts. The difference is that the skeptic acknowledges the lack of evidence. Also, if one make an extraordinary claim of course it can be compared with other extraordinary claims.
Or a slight softening of those opinions ?
Or are we still as divided as before ? :D
These are massive issues and there is no way one thread like this will change people from one side to the other.
But that is no reason not to have the debate.
Been questioned, perhaps maybe for the first time .
It absolutely should.
The Mod who closed the frivolous 'Dragon in my garden' thread did so saying the following:
'Well thank you for throwing down the gauntlet, daring a mod to close this thread.
Why will I do so? Because you can include the belief in dragons in the ghost thread. Happy to change the title of the ghost thread to incorporate everything that's unexplained.'
I'm in full agreement with that. Dragons, ghosts, aliens, the Loch Ness monster and indeed God all full under the umbrella of 'The unexplained' or better still 'Irrational beliefs based on no empirical evidence.'
I think it's time this thread's title was altered to encompass all things that have to be taken on 'faith'- be that spirits of the dead visiting us or a bloke with a beard sat on a cloud who is responsible for creating the universe.
How dare you, I hope my dragon is not logged on,
Our Xenia
Who art on top
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Thy squeeze come
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Justin, please. It's one thing to beg me to be allowed here on the forum using the alias "Thunderfinger", it's another thing altogether to openly declare our paid friendship on this forum. You still owe me £2000 from last month, by the way.