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  • DarthDimi wrote: »
    GoldenGun wrote: »
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    In for a penny, in for a pound....


    Steve McQueen was not the King of Cool, his barely saying a word style of acting, was like watching white paint dry.

    I'm inclined to partially agree. I never thought of him as the King of Cool but... he was cool enough for me. (Same with people calling Wes Craven the "Master Of Horror". He wasn't in my opinion, but he did contribute quite a bit to the genre.)

    I wasn't expecting that from you, @DarthDimi. You've really surprised me, there. Coming up with the idea for Freddy, alone, was genius, and would allow Craven to be called a Master Of Horror. Then going on to reinvent the slasher genre for the 90's with Scream (even if I am not a fan of the Scream films).

    I get that, @MajorDSmythe ;) The problem for me is that while Craven made some pretty solid films, one of which originated my favourite horror icon (the immortal dream demon, the man of my dreams, Mr Freddy Krueger esquire), he also dropped some stinkers in our catalogue, several of which suggest anything but mastery over the horror genre ('The Hills Have Eyes 2, Cursed, ...) Apart from 'Last House', 'The Hills Have Eyes' and 'Nightmare', Craven worked better with other people's material (e.g. Scream, Red Eye).

    John Carpenter would be my preferred 'master of horror'. Halloween is a masterpiece, The Thing possibly one of the scariest films ever made; Prince Of Darkness an underrated jewel; The Fog, Eyes Of Laura Mars, Christine and They Live delicious little gems as well. Carpenter isn't perfect either, but he did manage to build great films from his own scripts, low budgets and unjustifiable attacks from critics.

    There's also a new generation of potential masters of horror ready to claim that title (but not yet getting it due to low quantity of output, rather than quality.) I'm thinking about Ari Aster, Robert Eggers, Benson & Moorhead, Jordan Peele, ...

    Even Rob Zombie and Eli Roth, heavily criticised for their extreme brutality, are better candidates for the Master of Horror title than Craven, at least in my opinion. ;-)

    For me ‘The Master of Horror’ title goes to Dario Argento. I know lately it’s been a rough ride for him, but Argento in the 70’s and 80’s is unbeatable for me. No-one can quite make the horrors on screen look so gorgeous as dear old Dario, the Emperor of Shock Art.

    I’d say Mario Bava comes in second. Carpenter is my number 3.

    Yes, Argento, Bava and Fulci for me as well: great filmmakers, great contributors to the genre.

    I agree with seeing Carpenter as the one true cinematic master of horror, though his truly fertile period was really from 1976 (Assault on Precinct 13) to 1994 (In the Mouth of Madness). Writer, director, composer...he did it all. Every one of his best films was truly the work of his own mad genius. Even his “lesser” films from that period can be considered cult classics or underrated gems, and even films he produced but didn’t direct, like Halloween II and Halloween III, have his classic signature all over them and are all the better for it.

    But Argento, Romero, Fulci, Bava, Craven, Cronenberg—all giants of the genre nonetheless. What all of these directors had that makes their films so enjoyable is their own indelible style. You couldn't get very far into any one of their films without knowing exactly who made it.

    mattjoes wrote: »
    Johnny Depp was fantastic in The Ninth Gate. Superb performance.

    Granted I haven’t seen every Johnny Depp film (The Ninth Gate included), but my own favorite performances of his would be:

    Edward Scissorhands
    Ed Wood
    Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas
    Sleepy Hollow
    Pirates of the Caribbean
    Finding Neverland

    However you find him as an actor, he truly delivers unique characters and performances with every film.
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
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    Mathis1 wrote: »
    Have to defend McQueen and 'Buillitt' here! One of my favourite thrillers. British Director Peter Yates does a great job filming in San Francisco locations! McQueen IS cool here, Robert Vaughan is a wonderful slimy foil to him, Jackie Bisset is gorgeous, and It presents her as the beautiful, gentle, innocent part of Buillitts life, the total opposite to his nasty horrible violent work life. The car chase is the icing on the cake, Oh and I musnt forget Lalo Schifrins score, and one of the coolest title sequences in films. Nope, you're all wrong!!😄

    I must give it a re-watch soon. Been way too long.
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
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    Risico007 wrote: »
    I hate Christmas Vacation I know everyone loves it claims its so funny... I don't get it. I enjoy comedy I enjoy physical comedy I hate this bloody film and honestly the whole franchise!

    It actually is a pretty crap film, but I enjoy it all the same. I love the Christmas bonus scene 😄
  • mattjoesmattjoes Julie T. and the M.G.'s
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    Edward Scissorhands
    Ed Wood
    Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas
    Sleepy Hollow
    Pirates of the Caribbean
    Finding Neverland

    Out of those I've only seen Ed Wood. I like the fact the broadness of the performance doesn't prevent it from having emotional depth.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    Depp is fantastic across from Pacino in Donnie Brasco, too.
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    mattjoes wrote: »
    Johnny Depp was fantastic in The Ninth Gate. Superb performance.

    Ninth Gate is one of my all time favourite films. Great soundtrack too. I bought the CD on a whim a few years ago and to my happy astonishment the CD booklet contains all the woodcut illustrations! Depp didn’t need to go around the world looking for all the diabolical volumes, he only needed to buy the CD
    :))
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
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    The only think I can say against Depp, is that he should have stopped the Pirates films after the first. But given the money he must have earned from them, I couldn't blame him for grabbing that Phat Disney Paycheque.

    It's not looked at favourably, but I liked The Secret Window. Fear And Loathing In Las Vegas, and Sleepy Hollow are two others personal favourites.
  • mattjoesmattjoes Julie T. and the M.G.'s
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    Depp is fantastic across from Pacino in Donnie Brasco, too.
    That's probably going to be my next watch from the Deppmography.

    mattjoes wrote: »
    Johnny Depp was fantastic in The Ninth Gate. Superb performance.

    Ninth Gate is one of my all time favourite films. Great soundtrack too.
    @IGotABrudder One of my favorite parts is Balkan setting himself on fire. What an idiot. And "mumbo jumbo!"
    And I agree about the music, terrific stuff. Corso's theme is delightful.

    I bought the CD on a whim a few years ago and to my happy astonishment the CD booklet contains all the woodcut illustrations! Depp didn’t need to go around the world looking for all the diabolical volumes, he only needed to buy the CD
    :))
    Haha!
  • mattjoes wrote: »
    Edward Scissorhands
    Ed Wood
    Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas
    Sleepy Hollow
    Pirates of the Caribbean
    Finding Neverland

    Out of those I've only seen Ed Wood. I like the fact the broadness of the performance doesn't prevent it from having emotional depth.

    There is definitely a veneer of broadness to his portrayal of Wood, but as you say the depth and the humanity he brings keep it from being purely campy.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    I think i have said here earlier that I was bored when I saw Casablanca, and that Citizen Kane was overrated. I think I was a kid last I saw those. and seeing them again not long ago, I found that they are indeed great films. Perhaps not the best ever made, but as an adult viewer I take back what I said before.
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    I think the Lord Of The Rings trilogy is extremely boring.I struggled finishing the first movie and gave up halfway through the second.And those were the theatrical cuts.

    Just endless scenes of people walking.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    AstonLotus wrote: »
    I think the Lord Of The Rings trilogy is extremely boring.I struggled finishing the first movie and gave up halfway through the second.And those were the theatrical cuts.

    Just endless scenes of people walking.

    I think it starts out well enough, but the third one is indeed extremely boring.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    AstonLotus wrote: »
    I think the Lord Of The Rings trilogy is extremely boring.I struggled finishing the first movie and gave up halfway through the second.And those were the theatrical cuts.

    Just endless scenes of people walking.

    I think it starts out well enough, but the third one is indeed extremely boring.

    I find the original Rings trilogy quite exciting. It's those Hobbit films that I struggle with, well, at least the first one.
  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou, but I now hear a new dog barkin'
    edited February 2022 Posts: 9,019
    AstonLotus wrote: »
    I think the Lord Of The Rings trilogy is extremely boring.I struggled finishing the first movie and gave up halfway through the second.And those were the theatrical cuts.

    Just endless scenes of people walking.

    I think it starts out well enough, but the third one is indeed extremely boring.

    I agree. I saw all those at the cinema first, and still think the first was the best of them all. The second was a "filler", kind of like "Attack of the Clones" in a certain other franchise, which was at best superfluous. And the third one was overlong, with the final scene (in the harbour) being the only one where I sat there thinking, "Hey, can they please stop that conversation?"

    PS: Just to clarify, I absolutely loved "Fellowship of the Ring". Great movie, it's just that the other two instalments didn't quite follow suit.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    AstonLotus wrote: »
    I think the Lord Of The Rings trilogy is extremely boring.I struggled finishing the first movie and gave up halfway through the second.And those were the theatrical cuts.

    Just endless scenes of people walking.



    Warning: strong language.🤓
  • Posts: 16,148
    Here's a devastatingly controversial opinion:

    I prefer the 1941 Spencer Tracy version of
    DR JEKYLL AND MR HYDE
    to the 1932 Fredric March version.

    Although I'd probably agree the March adaptation is definitive, the 1941 remake has Lana Turner and Ingrid Bergman. That's enough for me to chose Tracy's JEKYLL over March's.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    Here’s one I’ve been thinking about since last week when I saw the Jurassic World Dominion trailer. People who read my opinions on the threads, know that I think it’s one of the many Member Berries (see South Park) movies that have been popular lately. Looking back at movie history, one of the movies that kicked this trend off was Superman Returns (2006). It did everything that the average Member Berries movie does:

    rehashing previous plots (namely the villains).
    Bringing back a previous cast member (Marlon Brando as Jor-El).
    A failed relationship.
    Family problems.
    A rescuing montage.
    Over powering a hero character.

    These are just some of the reasons why SR is more of a landmark movie than people realize. I have always enjoyed it for what is, same with the Jurassic World movies. But at their cores, they are all just Member Berries movies.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Let’s be brutally honest, his brother Ridley will never make a scene as exquisite as this from BEVERLY HILLS COP II

  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    Agree with Tony being better than Ridley.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Regarding Ridley, I think the only genuinely GREAT with a capital G movies he’s made are ALIEN and BLADE RUNNER, and that he’s been overhyped for the rest of his career just from those two movies alone.

    That’s not to say he hasn’t made good movies since. I liked his latest film THE LAST DUEL. But there’s a slew of films he’s made that are just flat out boring. Tony Scott has his share of bad films, but I wouldn’t accuse most of them of being boring. I’d rather watch a bad Tony movie like DAYS OF THUNDER rather than something from Ridley like ROBIN HOOD.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    Regarding Ridley, I think the only genuinely GREAT with a capital G movies he’s made are ALIEN and BLADE RUNNER, and that he’s been overhyped for the rest of his career just from those two movies alone.

    That’s not to say he hasn’t made good movies since. I liked his latest film THE LAST DUEL. But there’s a slew of films he’s made that are just flat out boring. Tony Scott has his share of bad films, but I wouldn’t accuse most of them of being boring. I’d rather watch a bad Tony movie like DAYS OF THUNDER rather than something from Ridley like ROBIN HOOD.

    +1. I also really enjoyed True Romance (1993). Great cast (particularly Christopher Walken and Gary Oldman). Ridley Scott is overrated, and in a lot of people’s minds, Blade Runner took a cuts to beloved. Gladiator is overrated. It’s just a director and lead actor lost in their egos. Prometheus was one of the worst movies I’ve ever seen. Alien might be great, but holy moly, it’s just so slow in buildup, (that includes Aliens, sue me). There both like Eddie Murphy in a way: there’s no middle ground. But I give both brothers credit: They weren’t afraid to try new things, as I defend Richard Donner to the death with, even with his misses, which the next director can’t say.

    I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again: James Cameron is NOT a great director. He can’t write something without plagiarizing, he tortures people with his ego, and his last good movie was almost 30 years ago. He also thinks he talks like a average person, but he really speaks and does things like a rich person. Had Titanic or Avatar bombed financially and critically, he’d be the next Michael Cimino. Just a mean person with little talent that went to waste, with the expectation of computer technology. The Donald Trump of directors, sorry to get political, everyone.Avatar 2 is either going to be really good financially and critically, or really bad. There will be no one to blame but James Cameron, either way it seems. P.S. JC’s top 5 favorite movie list is the most boring, generic list ever. Everyone calls these one of their favorites.

    https://editorial.rottentomatoes.com/article/five-favorite-films-with-james-cameron/

    Tim Burton could make a comeback, but I don’t expect him too.
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    I’ll sort of echo in saying that when Scott hits, he hits INCREDIBLE, but when he misses it can be rough. Alien and Blade Runner, while just 2 of many films he’s directed, are literally both probably in my Top 30 films ever which is remarkable in itself. I’m also a big fan of Gladiator, Legend, Thelma & Louise, Matchstick Men. He isn’t the most consistent, but I do still personally hold him as a Top 15 or so director for myself at least.
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    Ridley Scott is an artist, Tony Scott was an entertainer. I must say I prefer entertainment to art.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Overall, I prefer Ridley over Tony, although both had their highs and lows.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Imagine if THE HUNGER was a major hit instead of a flop. The trajectory of his career would have been DRASTICALLY different.

  • Last_Rat_StandingLast_Rat_Standing Long Neck Ice Cold Beer Never Broke My Heart
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    The Harry Potter movies are boring and overrated.
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    The Harry Potter movies are boring and overrated.

    I don’t fully agree, but I respect this. Definitely overrated, though I do enjoy most of them. Order of the Phoenix and Half-Blood Prince were the dullest IMO and the others have their moments that drag too.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    FoxRox wrote: »
    The Harry Potter movies are boring and overrated.

    I don’t fully agree, but I respect this. Definitely overrated, though I do enjoy most of them. Order of the Phoenix and Half-Blood Prince were the dullest IMO and the others have their moments that drag too.

    I agree, HP proved to me that fans can ruin their own selling points to gain new fans. Just because I forgot a few things from the stories, a pair of fans put me down like JK Rowling and Marvel fans (which they were). The stories repeat themselves as James Bond does. The movies did ruin cinema in one way: now EVERY young adult book series has to be adapted for the screen. Most fail.
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    The Harry Potter movies are boring and overrated.

    Boring that's a question of taste, but overrated? Are they held in such high regard? I think they're pretty much "rated": nobody say they're cinematic masterpieces, except the die-hard fans.
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    The Harry Potter movies are boring and overrated.

    I only saw one of those films. I thought it was enjoyable, but I never had the desire to see any of the others.
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