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  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    What I love about Tom is he never stops acting, never forgets his character. In a fight scene, he generally looks like a person in a fight: like he'd rather not be fighting, and and like he hopes he doesn't get his ass kicked. It's great.

    Spot on. That's really evident in the bathroom fight scene in Fallout.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    And he's also not afraid to take the mick out of his height and himself in a fight; see the opera fight scene in Rogue Nation.

    I see the reviews embargo has lifted for the new Top Gun; it's getting five stars almost everywhere. Seems to be a smash.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    Speaking of Tom Cruise (and I agree with you all positively) I want to talk about a animated movie with his likeness used as the main character. In honor of its 30th anniversary this year, I have a few points to make about Disney’s animated classic, Aladdin. I believe that the movie would have still been a hit without Robin Williams. They’re a number of great things about the movie that don’t involve him. Jafar is a all time classic villain, and we couldn’t have been luckier to have Jonathan Freeman voice him. To think, he got the part after so many big names had to turn it down (Tim Curry, Kelsey Grammer, John Hurt, Christopher Lloyd, and Ian McKellen were some of the names considered), with Sir Patrick Stewart originally cast, but had to turn it down because of STTNG. He also said this is the biggest regret of his career. He retired from performing him on Broadway in January, and will leave behind a great legacy.

    As for the songs, they are classics with and without the Genie. Aladdin and Jasmine are a great couple who really feel like they grow in their relationship. My point is that even without Robin Williams, the movie would still been a hit.
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    MaxCasino wrote: »
    Speaking of Tom Cruise (and I agree with you all positively) I want to talk about a animated movie with his likeness used as the main character. In honor of its 30th anniversary this year, I have a few points to make about Disney’s animated classic, Aladdin. I believe that the movie would have still been a hit without Robin Williams. They’re a number of great things about the movie that don’t involve him. Jafar is a all time classic villain, and we couldn’t have been luckier to have Jonathan Freeman voice him. To think, he got the part after so many big names had to turn it down (Tim Curry, Kelsey Grammer, John Hurt, Christopher Lloyd, and Ian McKellen were some of the names considered), with Sir Patrick Stewart originally cast, but had to turn it down because of STTNG. He also said this is the biggest regret of his career. He retired from performing him on Broadway in January, and will leave behind a great legacy.

    As for the songs, they are classics with and without the Genie. Aladdin and Jasmine are a great couple who really feel like they grow in their relationship. My point is that even without Robin Williams, the movie would still been a hit.
    For me it's a number of factors, but Robin Williams was certainly one of them. Aladdin is, with The Lion King, one of the last time we had a Disney movie with a male as the main protagonist. There was Hercules after them, but it was not really successful.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    How does TARZAN not count??
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Or Jungle Book?
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    mtm wrote: »
    Or Jungle Book?

    The original truly animated movie was made in 1967. Tarzan (1999) was a hit as well. Some Disney movies with male after TLK were successful, even if not right away with fandom and box office.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    Agreed. Cruise was pretty good in Collateral. I also liked his look in the film, what with the grey hair and all. And he played a baddie, which is rare for him. Then again, who wouldn't want to play the criminal in a Michael Mann film? De Niro's role in HEAT may be my very favourite of his.

    De Niro is always commanding on screen but he's especially fiery and terrifying in that one. The scene where he busts into the motel room to confront Charlene? Scary stuff.

    Or confronting Waingro. Epic scene. Damn, I love that film!
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    Agreed. Cruise was pretty good in Collateral. I also liked his look in the film, what with the grey hair and all. And he played a baddie, which is rare for him. Then again, who wouldn't want to play the criminal in a Michael Mann film? De Niro's role in HEAT may be my very favourite of his.

    De Niro is always commanding on screen but he's especially fiery and terrifying in that one. The scene where he busts into the motel room to confront Charlene? Scary stuff.

    Or confronting Waingro. Epic scene. Damn, I love that film!

    "Look at me!" And Waingro's gasping after those first two shots, only for De Niro to finish off that Mozambique Drill with the headshot before instantly walking out. Perfection.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    Agreed. Cruise was pretty good in Collateral. I also liked his look in the film, what with the grey hair and all. And he played a baddie, which is rare for him. Then again, who wouldn't want to play the criminal in a Michael Mann film? De Niro's role in HEAT may be my very favourite of his.

    De Niro is always commanding on screen but he's especially fiery and terrifying in that one. The scene where he busts into the motel room to confront Charlene? Scary stuff.

    Or confronting Waingro. Epic scene. Damn, I love that film!

    "Look at me!" And Waingro's gasping after those first two shots, only for De Niro to finish off that Mozambique Drill with the headshot before instantly walking out. Perfection.

    Yes. Oh gawd, yes! And then that look. De Niro is an ugly man in my opinion, but with that little beard and his classy outfits in HEAT, he looks positively "ace".
  • mattjoesmattjoes Julie T. and the M.G.'s
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    Waingro's death really hurts. I can feel myself losing the ability to breathe along him.
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    How does TARZAN not count??
    Was it successful? I thought it had a modest success at best.
    mtm wrote: »
    Or Jungle Book?

    That's an older one. Unless you mean the live action one, which I guess count if you count live action remakes.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited May 2022 Posts: 16,420
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Or Jungle Book?

    The original truly animated movie was made in 1967.

    And the remake was a Disney film in 2016..?
    Ludovico wrote: »
    That's an older one. Unless you mean the live action one, which I guess count if you count live action remakes.

    I think the only thing not animated in it is Mowgli.

    Aside from that I can think of Big Hero 6 too. Otherwise there's Ron's Gone Wrong, Luca, Soul, Onward etc. etc.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
    edited May 2022 Posts: 8,188
    What’s weird is that THE LION KING was sold as a live action remake, and yet Disney submitted the film for the animation categories during awards season.
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    What’s weird is that THE LION KING was sold as a live action remake, and yet Disney submitted the film for the animation categories during awards season.

    I don't see the point of these live action remakes, but that's hardly controversial.
    mtm wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Or Jungle Book?

    The original truly animated movie was made in 1967.

    And the remake was a Disney film in 2016..?
    Ludovico wrote: »
    That's an older one. Unless you mean the live action one, which I guess count if you count live action remakes.

    I think the only thing not animated in it is Mowgli.

    Aside from that I can think of Big Hero 6 too. Otherwise there's Ron's Gone Wrong, Luca, Soul, Onward etc. etc.

    Jungle Book I'd still live action remake of an animated movie. Allegedly with a lot of CGI. But all the animals are meant to be life like, not cartoonish. Regarding the others you mention, a lot of them are produced by companies owned by Disney, with their own aesthetic, approaches and brand. I understand the Alien franchise is owned by Disney, that doesn't make Ripley a Disney princess.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    What’s weird is that THE LION KING was sold as a live action remake, and yet Disney submitted the film for the animation categories during awards season.

    I don't see the point of these live action remakes, but that's hardly controversial.
    mtm wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Or Jungle Book?

    The original truly animated movie was made in 1967.

    And the remake was a Disney film in 2016..?
    Ludovico wrote: »
    That's an older one. Unless you mean the live action one, which I guess count if you count live action remakes.

    I think the only thing not animated in it is Mowgli.

    Aside from that I can think of Big Hero 6 too. Otherwise there's Ron's Gone Wrong, Luca, Soul, Onward etc. etc.

    Jungle Book I'd still live action remake of an animated movie. Allegedly with a lot of CGI.

    Allegedly? It's 100% animated, apart from Mowgli and some of the stuff he stands on. The jungle backgrounds are all CG. I agree it's not a traditional cartoon, but it's not really live action either. I don't think they make any traditionally-styled cartoons which don't feature CG now.
    Ludovico wrote: »
    But all the animals are meant to be life like, not cartoonish. Regarding the others you mention, a lot of them are produced by companies owned by Disney, with their own aesthetic, approaches and brand. I understand the Alien franchise is owned by Disney, that doesn't make Ripley a Disney princess.

    That's an awful lot of 'yeah buts!' :) They're animated films, for kids, from Disney.
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    mtm wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    What’s weird is that THE LION KING was sold as a live action remake, and yet Disney submitted the film for the animation categories during awards season.

    I don't see the point of these live action remakes, but that's hardly controversial.
    mtm wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Or Jungle Book?

    The original truly animated movie was made in 1967.

    And the remake was a Disney film in 2016..?
    Ludovico wrote: »
    That's an older one. Unless you mean the live action one, which I guess count if you count live action remakes.

    I think the only thing not animated in it is Mowgli.

    Aside from that I can think of Big Hero 6 too. Otherwise there's Ron's Gone Wrong, Luca, Soul, Onward etc. etc.

    Jungle Book I'd still live action remake of an animated movie. Allegedly with a lot of CGI.

    Allegedly? It's 100% animated, apart from Mowgli and some of the stuff he stands on. The jungle backgrounds are all CG. I agree it's not a traditional cartoon, but it's not really live action either. I don't think they make any traditionally-styled cartoons which don't feature CG now.
    Ludovico wrote: »
    But all the animals are meant to be life like, not cartoonish. Regarding the others you mention, a lot of them are produced by companies owned by Disney, with their own aesthetic, approaches and brand. I understand the Alien franchise is owned by Disney, that doesn't make Ripley a Disney princess.

    That's an awful lot of 'yeah buts!' :) They're animated films, for kids, from Disney.

    Like Marvel and Star Wars, they are indirectly Disney.
    mtm wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    What’s weird is that THE LION KING was sold as a live action remake, and yet Disney submitted the film for the animation categories during awards season.

    I don't see the point of these live action remakes, but that's hardly controversial.
    mtm wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Or Jungle Book?

    The original truly animated movie was made in 1967.

    And the remake was a Disney film in 2016..?
    Ludovico wrote: »
    That's an older one. Unless you mean the live action one, which I guess count if you count live action remakes.

    I think the only thing not animated in it is Mowgli.

    Aside from that I can think of Big Hero 6 too. Otherwise there's Ron's Gone Wrong, Luca, Soul, Onward etc. etc.

    Jungle Book I'd still live action remake of an animated movie. Allegedly with a lot of CGI.

    Allegedly? It's 100% animated, apart from Mowgli and some of the stuff he stands on. The jungle backgrounds are all CG. I agree it's not a traditional cartoon, but it's not really live action either. I don't think they make any traditionally-styled cartoons which don't feature CG now.
    Ludovico wrote: »
    But all the animals are meant to be life like, not cartoonish. Regarding the others you mention, a lot of them are produced by companies owned by Disney, with their own aesthetic, approaches and brand. I understand the Alien franchise is owned by Disney, that doesn't make Ripley a Disney princess.

    That's an awful lot of 'yeah buts!' :) They're animated films, for kids, from Disney.

    They are indirectly Disney movies. Marvel and Star Wars are also owned by Disney, that doesn't make Princess Leia or Mrs Marvel Disney princesses. Regarding The Jungle Book, not only is it not a traditional animated movie, but it belongs to actress of live action remakes of Disney movies.
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    Controversial opinion:

    My favorite Batman is Robert Lowery!

    Adam West is second, and Mickey G's dad ranks third for me :)

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  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Controversial opinion:

    My favorite Batman is Robert Lowery!

    Adam West is second, and Mickey G's dad ranks third for me :)

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    I am vengeance!
    ~ Kevin Conroy, the real Batman

    😉

    I have nothing against Lowery, but I wouldn't call him my favorite Batman.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Controversial opinion:

    My favorite Batman is Robert Lowery!

    Adam West is second, and Mickey G's dad ranks third for me :)

    tumblr_pjfs7rIzKd1s9g0yko1_1280.jpg

    I am vengeance!
    ~ Kevin Conroy, the real Batman

    😉

    I have nothing against Lowery, but I wouldn't call him my favorite Batman.

    but is it perchance your favourite suit?
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Controversial opinion:

    My favorite Batman is Robert Lowery!

    Adam West is second, and Mickey G's dad ranks third for me :)

    tumblr_pjfs7rIzKd1s9g0yko1_1280.jpg

    I am vengeance!
    ~ Kevin Conroy, the real Batman

    😉

    I have nothing against Lowery, but I wouldn't call him my favorite Batman.

    but is it perchance your favourite suit?

    Only to sleep in.
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    Batman and Robin's suits are costume shop awful. More likely to strike giggles than terror in the hearts of criminals. But back then comic books were the stuff of cheap serials and nothing more at the movies.
  • Posts: 16,169
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Controversial opinion:

    My favorite Batman is Robert Lowery!

    Adam West is second, and Mickey G's dad ranks third for me :)

    tumblr_pjfs7rIzKd1s9g0yko1_1280.jpg

    I am vengeance!
    ~ Kevin Conroy, the real Batman

    😉

    I have nothing against Lowery, but I wouldn't call him my favorite Batman.

    but is it perchance your favourite suit?

    Haha! I do like his suit alright as far as serial costumes go. Kirk Alyn's Super suit was better, IMO, and Lewis Wilson's Bat suit was better as well. I love Lowery's bat emblem, though.
    Apparently Robert Lowery's cape, cowl, etc. were a maroon/burgundy in color.
  • Agent_Zero_OneAgent_Zero_One Ireland
    edited May 2022 Posts: 554
    The Johnny English films are better than the Austin Powers ones, particularly in Atkinson vs Meyers.
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    The Johnny English films are better than the Austin Powers ones, particularly Atkinson vs Meyers.

    I agree without hesitation.
  • Last_Rat_StandingLast_Rat_Standing Long Neck Ice Cold Beer Never Broke My Heart
    edited May 2022 Posts: 4,589
    The Johnny English films are better than the Austin Powers ones, particularly in Atkinson vs Meyers.

    As an adult, I can agree. The teenage version of me would disagree. However, I can respect both franchise attempt to spoof the Bond films. The first two Austin Powers films haven't aged well but I still get some laughs out of them. The third was just an overload of grossness and toilet humor. It was like parodying a parody.

    The VR scene in Johhny English 3 was the hardest I'd ever laughed in a long time.
  • edited May 2022 Posts: 9,847
    A few from me though I am sure I posted some of these before

    1. The batman is now my favorite batman movie it took this long to finally get voice over in movies god
    2. Macgyver the movie should of happened and should of been as successful as the mission impossible films
    3. Jaws should be a longer franchise
    4. Jaws 2 is not as bad as everyone claims
    5. Jaws 3 if told by a good director would actually of made money
    6. Jaws 4 was doomed for failure at the beginning however if they got rid of the revenge aspect the amity stuff and just had the Brody’s on vacation in the Bahamas where a great white shark shows up it could of been b movie fun but way better
    7. I love the Saint staring Val Kilmer I have been told by many here that it was a bad film but I thought it was a fun spy film that I loved hearing Kilmer do different accents and all being named for saints is a cool gimmick I hear it’s nothing like the show but I don’t care
    8. The A-team should of been a franchise how the expendables got franchise money and not the a-team is beyond me
    9. Meg was actually scary to me and I can’t wait for the sequel
    10. I feel a movie about the Band Yes about the making of the Drama album where Jon Anderson and Rick Wakeman left the band and the rest of the band not only have to replace them but have an album and tour coming is such an Oscar worthy idea and a box office gold mine of an idea it annoys me no one except me sees the potential
    11. Also I am tired of the joker I haven’t even seen Joker the movie nor will I why because if any villain deserved his own film Bane (think Rocky but much darker) and Ra’s Al ghul (picture a dark James Bond film) stories are far more fascinating


    That’s about it for now
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    Controversial opinion:

    The hockey mask is criminally overrated. Jason looks cooler and more dangerous in that burlap sack thingy.

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  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
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    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Controversial opinion:

    The hockey mask is criminally overrated. Jason looks cooler and more dangerous in that burlap sack thingy.

    Friday-the-13th-Part-II-scaled.jpg

    No that F13 is cinema gold for me, but I like Part 2 the best.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Controversial opinion:

    The hockey mask is criminally overrated. Jason looks cooler and more dangerous in that burlap sack thingy.

    Friday-the-13th-Part-II-scaled.jpg

    I disagree. They stole the design from The Town That Dreaded Sundown. Hockey mask Jason is where it's at for me.
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