NTTD Gun Barrel Sequence OOO O O O

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  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    I'm actually not keen on Skyfall. I think he looks a bit stiff and unnatural. Feels a bit rehearsed.

    QoS is unusal amongst gunbarrels as he puts the gun in front of his face- most Bonds don't do that. Pierce probably comes the closest.
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
    edited November 2022 Posts: 3,787
    His best was in Skyfall, he captured the classic Bond pose.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
    edited November 2022 Posts: 7,546
    In QoS he's way too rushed, not positioned in the circle well, and doesn't look good.
    Skyfall's is better, but it's still nothing special to me, and I didn't like that it was at the end (same with QoS).
    It's hard to include CR in the ranking because of how different it is, but for me, it's:
    CR
    SP
    NTTD
    SF
    QOS

    EDIT: Just rewatched the Skyfall gunbarrel, and Craig certainly is good in it. I can see why they put it at the end for Skyfall, but still... don't love it there.
    QoS' really should have been at the beginning.
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
    edited November 2022 Posts: 3,787
    In QoS he's way too rushed, not positioned in the circle well, and doesn't look good.
    Skyfall's is better, but it's still nothing special to me, and I didn't like that it was at the end (same with QoS).
    It's hard to include CR in the ranking because of how different it is, but for me, it's:
    CR
    SP
    NTTD
    SF
    QOS

    EDIT: Just rewatched the Skyfall gunbarrel, and Craig certainly is good in it. I can see why they put it at the end for Skyfall, but still... don't love it there.
    QoS' really should have been at the beginning.

    But the gunbarrel at the end turned into the 50th anniversary design, that's the special thing about it too.
    None of the gunbarrels have ever done that before.
    It's very rare and doubt will ever happen again, because it's anniversary.
    So, I think it does makes sense that it's moved at the film's ending.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    One thing I always quite liked about the QoS one is that it's the only one where he's walked off after shooting! :)
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
    edited November 2022 Posts: 1,988
    mtm wrote: »
    One thing I always quite liked about the QoS one is that it's the only one where he's walked off after shooting! :)

    Yeah, it seems there's always one unique thing going on in Craig's Bond Gunbarrels. I noticed the SF Gunbarrel looks very illuminating....almost too much and a first for Bond.
  • LucknFateLucknFate 007 In New York
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    Who knows, by the time B26 gets ready to roll, hats may be back in style.

    Bond wearing a flat cap in mid-stride flings it at the camera then fires, 2-dimensional blood runs down the screen.

    Possibilities there.

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  • RyanRyan Canada
    edited November 2022 Posts: 692
    I'd rank the Craig barrels something like this:

    1. Casino Royale (brilliantly worked into the opening scene and Craig's best pose to my eyes)

    2. No Time To Die (I like the design and the blending of tradition with something new - absolutely love the way we move up the barrel and into the opening shot)

    3. Spectre (great pose by Daniel, but not a huge fan of the design which I think looks a little too polished versus the Brosnan-era Binder variant)

    4. Skyfall (it's okay, but the timing and the design feel way off)

    5. Quantum of Solace (rushed, mediocre design, and Craig's worst pose)
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Ryan wrote: »
    2. No Time To Die (I like the design and the blending of tradition with something new - absolutely love the way we move up the barrel and into the opening shot)

    It’s a good update on the traditional iris opening up on the PTS. I would hope we see that part become a mainstay.

    Funnily, it’s something we’ve seen before in GE, with the beginning and ending of the main titles.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Yeah I liked the zoom in; didn't particularly miss the blood even.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
    Posts: 7,546
    Ryan wrote: »
    I'd rank the Craig barrels something like this:

    1. Casino Royale (brilliantly worked into the opening scene and Craig's best pose to my eyes)

    2. No Time To Die (I like the design and the blending of tradition with something new - absolutely love the way we move up the barrel and into the opening shot)

    3. Spectre (great pose by Daniel, but not a huge fan of the design which I think looks a little too polished versus the Brosnan-era Binder variant)

    4. Skyfall (it's okay, but the timing and the design feel way off)

    5. Quantum of Solace (rushed, mediocre design, and Craig's worst pose)

    Great points. The Brosnan gunbarrel generally (GE specifically) is my favourite of them all.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    My only ding on the Brosnan gun barrel is Brosnan himself. He comes off stiff, which I felt he was throughout GE. I would have liked to see him reshoot it for each film, he probably would have nailed it better in DAD (which has his strongest performance).
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Yes, I'm always surprised how, on Twitter especially, folks seem to really rate Brosnan's one. To me he's a bit pigeon-chested and stiff, as you say - for me a proper gunbarrel involves bending your knees a bit! :)
    I would say it's Dalton for the perfect one, although I do love Roger's second too. The man knew how to strike a pose.
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
    edited November 2022 Posts: 3,787
    mtm wrote: »
    Yes, I'm always surprised how, on Twitter especially, folks seem to really rate Brosnan's one. To me he's a bit pigeon-chested and stiff, as you say - for me a proper gunbarrel involves bending your knees a bit! :)
    I would say it's Dalton for the perfect one, although I do love Roger's second too. The man knew how to strike a pose.

    Yeah, Brosnan's pose is someone that you couldn't take seriously.
    Very much an action hero kind of thing, not realistic at all.

    Dalton's pose are great, as he did that gunbarrel pose in one of the scenes in the film itself (TLD).

    There are so many variations of pose when it comes to Moore, I though liked his pose in his earlier outings (LALD & TMWTGG), with his left hand touching his right arm while the other right hand was striking a shooting pose, yes, I though liked the bending of his knees, but didn't liked much of his pose in the later entries (particularly in FYEO), with both of his hands striking a shooting pose, both holding the gun, looked a bit policeman to me 😅.

    The Connery and Lazenby ones were too much dramatic, not realistic either, the earlier Connery pose where he's jumping was almost a bit funny for me, but still standing at least, but the later gunbarrel pose, it's not knee bent, but a kneeling position, I mean none of the spies really doing that pose, there's an inability to move safely from the enemy if you're kneeling, it's such a difficult pose!

    So, I think Dalton's pose is the best and the most realistic with Craig coming in at second, very much realistic pose for someone whose aiming a shooting strike!
  • RemingtonRemington I'll do anything for a woman with a knife.
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    CR - perfection.

    QOS - I like Craig's pose and the design is similar to NTTD but it's just too damn fast.

    SF - I don't like anything about this one. Awful design, not crazy about the grey suit, Craig's walk and pose feel off, and I don't like that it's at the end.

    SP - a mixed bag. I think Craig does fine apart from swinging his gun like a madman. I appreciate the return of the Binder design but it looks too flat for my liking.

    NTTD - my only nitpick is the sound effect used for the gunshot. I dig everything else. As far as I'm concerned, this rifling design should've been used for all the Craig films.
  • mattjoesmattjoes Julie T. and the M.G.'s
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    Next time I want a really flamboyant gunbarrel pose, in the style of Connery. I don't know who came up with that, but my sincere congratulations to them.
  • 23skidoo23skidoo Canada
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    NTTD is my favorite of the Craig gunbarrels. I like the fact they combined the traditional style with the new element of fading into the story. I saw this in Canada so we also got the Universal Studios logo morphing into the dot - that was a fantastic idea and it's a shame it's not included on the Blu-ray as a bonus (the BR here in Canada doesn't have the Universal opening). I don't have many complaints on the Craig sequences (I don't count CR, though, and QoS was like they realized they'd forgotten to do a gunbarrel and literally filmed Daniel as he was running out the door headed for the taxi to the airport and his next acting job! LOL). But SF and SP were fine.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    Welcome to a fellow Canadian!
    The NTTD gunbarrel was great for my money, and I can see why you don't count Casino Royale, which if counted, would be my #1 for Craig, maybe my #1 for the whole franchise.
    Otherwise, for the Craig films, Spectre is my favourite gunbarrel. 100% agree about QoS! :))
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    To be fair, I haven't liked a gunbarrel since 1999. So, almost 25 years of rotten gunbarrels, IMHO, no counting CR's, obviously, which was something completely different and part of the ethos of said film.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Univex wrote: »
    To be fair, I haven't liked a gunbarrel since 1999. So, almost 25 years of rotten gunbarrels, IMHO, no counting CR's, obviously, which was something completely different and part of the ethos of said film.

    Any particular reason for that? I'm assuming it's because they haven't been as straightforward as they were pre-DAD, which I can understand.
  • edited March 25 Posts: 6,709
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    Univex wrote: »
    To be fair, I haven't liked a gunbarrel since 1999. So, almost 25 years of rotten gunbarrels, IMHO, no counting CR's, obviously, which was something completely different and part of the ethos of said film.

    Any particular reason for that? I'm assuming it's because they haven't been as straightforward as they were pre-DAD, which I can understand.

    Well, there's that, yes, but also because they all lack real oomph. With the exception of CR's, they are not exciting or energetic. It seems as though Craig is just going through the motions, and you can't really feel that shot (the literal shot through Bond's gun and the adrenaline shot on the viewer's end).

    I remember hating the GE N64 gunbarrel for the same reason, it was just too robotic and bland, no matter what they do with them, 3d bullets, different bloods, no blood, ... they all are just boring. Sometimes simplicity with panache, which is a very British thing, is the way to go. Overcomplicate the plot (as Bond would put it) and you end up with something forced and unnatural to the senses.

    At least with the way Brosnan turned, one got that speed and, well, oomph, even thought he was as stiff as a Board (which suited him perfectly), and it played nicely with the tune, at least until up until TWINE.

    Craig seems bored and uncomfortable in his gunbarrels post CR. And they are all very pro forma.

    Also, the interior of Brosnan's gunbarrel was far superior to anything they've come up with ever since. Shiny and smooth and a tad dark. Very stylish for its time. Even by today's standards.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
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    I still remember the delight that rippled around the theatre from the CR gunbarrel on that first viewing in the cinema. Wonderful moment.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
    edited April 3 Posts: 1,988
    Venutius wrote: »
    I still remember the delight that rippled around the theatre from the CR gunbarrel on that first viewing in the cinema. Wonderful moment.

    Yeah. Same here. Chris Cornell, David Arnold, Daniel Kleinman and of course, Daniel Craig made the gunbarrel really work.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
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    Yeh, they really did. It took everyone by surprise too - in a good way. Loved it.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
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    Venutius wrote: »
    Yeh, they really did. It took everyone by surprise too - in a good way. Loved it.

    Yeah. Martin Campbell too.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
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    I'm just here trying to envisage a modern gunbarrel sequence for Bond 7's era where the gunbarrel rotates anticlockwise as Bond is walking and immediately stays normal and upright at the centre of the screen, with Bond shooting immediately.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    @SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Not bad, I like it. Would that show Bond from more of a 3/4 front/side view angle, initially?

    Always wanted to see a realistic drop of the gun barrel, where Bond fires, there's a jolt, and the gun barrel drops straight down to the floor, showing only Bond's lower legs. Then a puddle of blood appears at the tip of the barrel and flows into the barrel, the blood filling the screen upwards instead of trickling down.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
    edited September 10 Posts: 1,988
    QBranch wrote: »
    @SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Not bad, I like it. Would that show Bond from more of a 3/4 front/side view angle, initially?

    Always wanted to see a realistic drop of the gun barrel, where Bond fires, there's a jolt, and the gun barrel drops straight down to the floor, showing only Bond's lower legs. Then a puddle of blood appears at the tip of the barrel and flows into the barrel, the blood filling the screen upwards instead of trickling down.

    Yeah, something like that.
    Oh, that's an inventive one too @QBranch
    I also just thought of one where the white dots doesn't show the design of the gunbarrel at first. But once Bond gets to the centre of the screen and shoots, the full design suddenly pops up.

    OR

    Another one that starts with Bond being a silhouette as he walks, but once he reaches the centre of the screen and shoots, he then becomes visible. A sort of reverse version of Spectre's gunbarrel.
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