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  • EmilioEmilio Palmyra, Nassau
    Posts: 175
    Anyone knows if the soundtrack will be delated as well? Thx

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    Emilio wrote: »
    Anyone knows if the soundtrack will be delated as well? Thx

    For sure.
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    km16 wrote: »
    Tenet tanked because it tried opening in the middle of a pandemic.
    In the middle? So it's almost all over? :-) All I am saying is, that more people would have seen it, if it wasn't so damn confusing and hard to follow. Of course Covid-19 had an impact on revenue as well.

  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    edited January 2021 Posts: 8,392
    You are both describing how Bond 25 is likely to fail at the boxoffice, an outcome people like me are terrified by. If Bond is the first big hitter out of the gates it will likely fall victim to the same fate as Tenet and Wonder Woman 84. I don't know how you can say that one is more crowd pleasing than the other if they both end up with around the same boxoffice. Tenet made around 350 million, and if 500 - 600 for Bond 25 is a pipe-dream then what can we expect? If this movie LOSES money, it's not exactly good news, as MGM will likely fold like a cheap suitcase, as Bond revenue was keeping them afloat to begin with.

    If the movie releases in October it'll make less than half of Spectres 880 million. Thats about the same as Die Another Day in 2002.
  • I still think that if NTTD had come out when Tenet did, it would made more money purely because it's a Bond film (so people mostly know what to expect) and you wouldn't have to explain the concept of the film to persuade people to see it, unlike Tenet. It wouldn't have done as well as normally (because of the restricted seating and the pandemic) but I do feel that it would done significantly better than Tenet. Oh well, we'll never know now. 😐
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    Comparing NTTD to a movie that has 5,4 on IMDB and aired on streaming at the same time?
  • edited January 2021 Posts: 1,314
    Zekidk wrote: »
    Life may never fully return back to the normal we once remembered it pre 2020.

    That's the most pessimistic post I've read recently. Personally I don't believe that we all are wearing facemasks in 2030. Even the spanish flu died out.

    There will come a point when Covid reached a level where we live with it rather than Eradicate it. However I am in agreement with the original post. I fear that we are not going to go back to global travel as it was for example for many years - and those who do travel are taking and making unnecessary risks to themselves and others.

    Fauci reckons some return of normality in winter (some, not all) dependent on the success of the vaccines; the WHO says no chance of herd immunity this year. The UK chief medical officer says some normality but dependent on vaccines success. In short we are not going to be going back to sitting on crowded tubes and standing at the bar in pubs for years I think. Well reach a relationship with Covid where we accept 30-50000 deaths a year maybe. We have to. It’s not going anywhere

    Personally I expect the virus to evolve to multiple strains to become resistant to the vaccine in a way that we all need to be vaccinated regularly.

    NTTD will therefore have a short window of opportunity to make the best of a bad situation.

    It will struggle to break even and I think we may not get a new bond film for many many years.

    I know this sounds pessimistic but I don’t see any other reality
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    edited January 2021 Posts: 8,392
    Matt007 wrote: »
    Zekidk wrote: »
    Life may never fully return back to the normal we once remembered it pre 2020.

    That's the most pessimistic post I've read recently. Personally I don't believe that we all are wearing facemasks in 2030. Even the spanish flu died out.

    It will struggle to break even and I think we may not get a new bond film for many many years.

    I know this sounds pessimistic but I don’t see any other reality

    This is the exact situation that I and many others have feared. That the fallout of this film will finish MGM, and that EON will be stuck in limbo for a number of years, perhaps eventually selling too. There will definitely be a lot of behind the scenes shuffling to come in the years ahead. And I think it's safe to say that we won't see another Bond film during Bidens presidency, after B25.
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    Matt007 wrote: »
    Zekidk wrote: »
    Life may never fully return back to the normal we once remembered it pre 2020.

    That's the most pessimistic post I've read recently. Personally I don't believe that we all are wearing facemasks in 2030. Even the spanish flu died out.

    There will come a point when Covid reached a level where we live with it rather than Eradicate it. However I am in agreement with the original post. I fear that we are not going to go back to global travel as it was for example for many years - and those who do travel are taking and making unnecessary risks to themselves and others.

    Fauci reckons some return of normality in winter (some, not all) dependent on the success of the vaccines; the WHO says no chance of herd immunity this year. The UK chief medical officer says some normality but dependent on vaccines success. In short we are not going to be going back to sitting on crowded tubes and standing at the bar in pubs for years I think. Well reach a relationship with Covid where we accept 30-50000 deaths a year maybe. We have to. It’s not going anywhere

    Personally I expect the virus to evolve to multiple strains to become resistant to the vaccine in a way that we all need to be vaccinated regularly.

    NTTD will therefore have a short window of opportunity to make the best of a bad situation.

    It will struggle to break even and I think we may not get a new bond film for many many years.

    I know this sounds pessimistic but I don’t see any other reality

    We will get a new Bond film sooner than later after this but it likely won't be with MGM. Id say within' 4 years. Under any normal circumstances, Bond is a gold mine. Studios will fight tooth and nail for it for sure so the wait likely won't be too long.
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    edited January 2021 Posts: 5,970
    It's interesting that people think this will affect the franchise so much considering this is an issue all production companies and films are experiencing, and also that EON and the franchise itself has survived a lot more internal problems.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    edited January 2021 Posts: 8,392
    Denbigh wrote: »
    It's interesting that people think this will affect the franchise so much considering this is an issue all production companies and films are experiencing, and also that EON and the franchise itself has survived a lot more internal problems.

    Yes, they certainly have a knack of weathering storms but, at some point the luck has to run out, and things can turn nasty. There have been certain times in the franchise history where EON, MGM and everyone else involved have known with resounding certainty "everything is on the line here" and they have somehow managed to make it a success. Live And Let Die, Spy, Goldeneye, Casino Royale and Skyfall. And this is like that again, except the stakes are bigger than ever. If the movie fails to covers its expenses, it'll be 6 years work down the drain, MGM will go belly up, they struggle to begin the ball rolling for a number of years, as the background deals take place. I suspect we won't see another film until Biden has left office.
  • ImpertinentGoonImpertinentGoon Everybody needs a hobby.
    Posts: 1,351
    Denbigh wrote: »
    It's interesting that people think this will affect the franchise so much considering this is an issue all production companies and films are experiencing, and also that EON and the franchise itself has survived a lot more internal problems.

    Yes, they certainly have a knack of weathering storms but, at some point the luck has to run out, and things can turn nasty. There have been certain times in the franchise history where EON, MGM and everyone else involved have known with resounding certainty "everything is on the line here" and they have somehow managed to make it a success. Live And Let Die, Spy, Goldeneye, Casino Royale and Skyfall. And this is like that again, except the stakes are bigger than ever. If the movie fails to covers its expenses, it'll be 6 years work down the drain, MGM will go belly up, they struggle to begin the ball rolling for a number of years, as the background deals take place. I suspect we won't see another film until Biden has left office.

    Well, yeah. Even if they can hold the October date, from then on it will be only 3 years and a bit until Biden's successor is inaugurated. And they haven't consistently put out films in 3 year intervals for a long time, even without all the circumstances that come into it now.

    What I do not understand about these doom posts is that some of you seem to think, the Bond series could end with NTTD. We are in the golden age of previously established IP in films. For years now, there have been very few movies (and basically none in the budget regions we are talking about for Bond) made that weren't based on something. And on top of that everything gets re-booted and redone and what not all the time. They just announced an origin movie about Willy Wonka for crying out loud!
    Even if it all goes tits up for MGM and possibly even EON in the next 5 years, there is simply no way that a franchise with this type of established credentials just stops.
    We could then argue, whether those would be "real" Bond films. But there will be Bond films as long as there is a film industry.
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    Mr_Beach wrote: »
    This makes a lot of sense. Why release it in April when they can delay it half a year and release it when life is back to normal? This feels like the final delay.

    The problem is: there is no indication, that life will be back to normal in October.
    The release of a movie in October 2021 will be the same as a release in August 2020, when Tenet came out.

    So I'm 100% sure, that the movie will be postponed again, unless a miracle happens and there will be no more social distancing and masks in October. But I doubt it.

    So a Covid-Release without red carpet events, with reduced seating etc. - they could have done that last summer or this spring. They don't need October for that.
    BUT all these side events and meeting fans from all around the world in London etc. - that's what I wish to experience again with the premiere of NTTD. So I'm willing to wait until that is possible again.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    Posts: 8,205
    antovolk wrote: »
    antovolk wrote: »
    km16 wrote: »
    That date is not gonna hold. Not falling for it this time. Way too much competition.

    Which films should we be worried about? The only ones I see are Dune and Halloween, and I think Dune is slightly handicapped by its simultaneous debut on HBOMax.

    Dune is very likely to be a traditional release again, FYI..competing for IMAX will be a factor

    Are they using Godzilla vs Kong as a sacrificial lamb with regards to HBO Max, then?

    Legendary (the production company behind both films) actually wanted to sell that to Netflix but WB kiboshed that deal... only to turn around and put it on their own service instead without warning. Apparently a traditional release for Dune is what's being negotiated for by Legendary to avoid a lawsuit between both companies - and probably a bargaining chip that let WB go through now with putting GvK on HBO Max (trailer is out Sunday)

    Thought as much. "We'll give you Dune if you give us Godzilla vs Kong." etc.
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
    edited January 2021 Posts: 4,343
    This October release date feels like a placeholder to me. Previous delays were made with statements from MGM and EoN saying they wanted “the film to be seen by the wider audiences possible... we understand will be disappointing bla bla...”. Now feels like: “Let’s say uhm October but who knows what will happen”.
  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
    Posts: 4,582
    Matt007 wrote: »
    Zekidk wrote: »
    Life may never fully return back to the normal we once remembered it pre 2020.

    That's the most pessimistic post I've read recently. Personally I don't believe that we all are wearing facemasks in 2030. Even the spanish flu died out.

    There will come a point when Covid reached a level where we live with it rather than Eradicate it. However I am in agreement with the original post. I fear that we are not going to go back to global travel as it was for example for many years - and those who do travel are taking and making unnecessary risks to themselves and others.

    Fauci reckons some return of normality in winter (some, not all) dependent on the success of the vaccines; the WHO says no chance of herd immunity this year. The UK chief medical officer says some normality but dependent on vaccines success. In short we are not going to be going back to sitting on crowded tubes and standing at the bar in pubs for years I think. Well reach a relationship with Covid where we accept 30-50000 deaths a year maybe. We have to. It’s not going anywhere

    Personally I expect the virus to evolve to multiple strains to become resistant to the vaccine in a way that we all need to be vaccinated regularly.

    NTTD will therefore have a short window of opportunity to make the best of a bad situation.

    It will struggle to break even and I think we may not get a new bond film for many many years.

    I know this sounds pessimistic but I don’t see any other reality

    Actually, he said the end of summer.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
    Posts: 13,978
    A wise choice, but I wouldn't rule out a further push.

    When we arrive at the point where we finally are on top of this situation, doesn’t mean that people will rush out to the cinema, as good as it might sound. It will take time for confidence to return. Best to just expect a 2022 release, and be pleasantly surprised if it releases earlier.
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    It does amuse me how it was literally, title and date, and nothing else.

    Didnt even try and dress this one up.
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    @Mendes4Lyfe Still doesn't understand how fundamentally different the situation will be in October compared to last December when WW 1984 was released.
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
    Posts: 15,127
    Mr_Beach wrote: »
    @Mendes4Lyfe Still doesn't understand how fundamentally different the situation will be in October compared to last December when WW 1984 was released.
    No-one can predict or say how anything will be in October or anytime in the future.
    Nothing is written!
  • edited January 2021 Posts: 1,314
    @TripAces Actually, he said the end of summer.

    Actually, No he didn’t ...

    https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.marketwatch.com/amp/story/fauci-says-degree-of-normality-possible-by-fall-if-85-of-population-vaccinated-by-end-of-summer-2021-01-21

    https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bostonglobe.com/2021/01/19/nation/dr-fauci-nation-could-return-some-form-normality-by-fall/?outputType=amp

    I’m sure you can find months old quotes but it’s worth using the most up to date scientific opinions.

    Regarding bond being a gold mine.... bond is a goldmine in a none Covid world. There are no goldmines anymore. And studios that make money in the future will be the ones who have adapted to change (not MGM) have a strong online presence (not MGM) and have strength in the depth of their intellectual property (not MGM)
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    Benny wrote: »
    Mr_Beach wrote: »
    @Mendes4Lyfe Still doesn't understand how fundamentally different the situation will be in October compared to last December when WW 1984 was released.
    No-one can predict or say how anything will be in October or anytime in the future.
    Nothing is written!
    The US, UK, and Germany are all saying everyone who wants to get vaccinated will get vaccinated by fall. It's actually quite easy to predict what the situation will be like in October.
  • Bentley007Bentley007 Manitoba, Canada
    Posts: 575
    I am taking some solace in the fact that despite this delay already being widely known for weeks the delayed announcing the date of October 8th. I am likely giving EON and Universal more credit yhan they deserve but I dont think they would have picked that date for no particular
    reason. I would have to assune they are basing this on when they believe Vaccine rollout will impact the global population enough to release a movie in theatre. I am remaining optimistic that this will be the final delay. As others have pointed out July, August and September were the "best" times for reduced transmission and that was without a vaccine. It stands to reason this summer will be markedly better which explains an early fall release.
  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
    edited January 2021 Posts: 4,582
    Matt007 wrote: »
    @TripAces Actually, he said the end of summer.

    Actually, No he didn’t ...

    https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.marketwatch.com/amp/story/fauci-says-degree-of-normality-possible-by-fall-if-85-of-population-vaccinated-by-end-of-summer-2021-01-21

    https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bostonglobe.com/2021/01/19/nation/dr-fauci-nation-could-return-some-form-normality-by-fall/?outputType=amp

    I’m sure you can find months old quotes but it’s worth using the most up to date scientific opinions.

    Regarding bond being a gold mine.... bond is a goldmine in a none Covid world. There are no goldmines anymore. And studios that make money in the future will be the ones who have adapted to change (not MGM) have a strong online presence (not MGM) and have strength in the depth of their intellectual property (not MGM)

    I did. Read the title of your own link. It does contradict your original argument that we're looking at winter.

    His quote: "Fauci went on to say that if the US could vaccinate 70% to 85% of people by the end of summer, it could approach a "degree of normality" by fall. He described this as the "best-case scenario."

    We can spend time splitting hairs all day long over when Summer ends and when Fall begins. Where I live, it remains summer until October. LOL
  • ResurrectionResurrection Kolkata, India
    Posts: 2,541
    Zekidk wrote: »
    Life may never fully return back to the normal we once remembered it pre 2020.

    That's the most pessimistic post I've read recently. Personally I don't believe that we all are wearing facemasks in 2030. Even the spanish flu died out.

    Agreed, if history has taught us anything i don't believe that we will have to live with this virus and theatres won't ever get back to normal like before. It will happen, the big question is when?
  • Good date - hopefully the conditions for a safe release will be in place in as many key markets as possible by then. Worst case scenario - they move it again to April or something.
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    Zekidk wrote: »
    Life may never fully return back to the normal we once remembered it pre 2020.

    That's the most pessimistic post I've read recently. Personally I don't believe that we all are wearing facemasks in 2030. Even the spanish flu died out.

    I don't think so either, but I don't expect by October that everything is 100% back to normal, as though the whole thing was a bad dream. I think for the next few years we will be in and out of lockdowns and battling through various strains of the virus with many different vaccines, where we all need top ups and booster jabs every year.

    I also think for at least the next couple of years the hospitality sector (including cinemas) will be opened in a controlled fashion like it was last summer, and football stadiums and concerts will allow limited numbers, with crowds all spread out.

    Depending on how long this drags on for, the real change to society will all depend on how damaged people will get mentally from this, and how bad the economy also gets hit in the aftermath. No one really knows what the world will look like when we are completely through to the other side.
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    Matt007 wrote: »
    Zekidk wrote: »
    Life may never fully return back to the normal we once remembered it pre 2020.

    That's the most pessimistic post I've read recently. Personally I don't believe that we all are wearing facemasks in 2030. Even the spanish flu died out.

    There will come a point when Covid reached a level where we live with it rather than Eradicate it. However I am in agreement with the original post. I fear that we are not going to go back to global travel as it was for example for many years - and those who do travel are taking and making unnecessary risks to themselves and others.

    Fauci reckons some return of normality in winter (some, not all) dependent on the success of the vaccines; the WHO says no chance of herd immunity this year. The UK chief medical officer says some normality but dependent on vaccines success. In short we are not going to be going back to sitting on crowded tubes and standing at the bar in pubs for years I think. Well reach a relationship with Covid where we accept 30-50000 deaths a year maybe. We have to. It’s not going anywhere

    Personally I expect the virus to evolve to multiple strains to become resistant to the vaccine in a way that we all need to be vaccinated regularly.

    NTTD will therefore have a short window of opportunity to make the best of a bad situation.

    It will struggle to break even and I think we may not get a new bond film for many many years.

    I know this sounds pessimistic but I don’t see any other reality

    Spot on!
  • edited January 2021 Posts: 3,327
    Mr_Beach wrote: »
    Benny wrote: »
    Mr_Beach wrote: »
    @Mendes4Lyfe Still doesn't understand how fundamentally different the situation will be in October compared to last December when WW 1984 was released.
    No-one can predict or say how anything will be in October or anytime in the future.
    Nothing is written!
    The US, UK, and Germany are all saying everyone who wants to get vaccinated will get vaccinated by fall. It's actually quite easy to predict what the situation will be like in October.

    We are already now experiencing vaccine roll-out problems in the UK, and there are now rumours the new strain will beat the vaccines. Your ridiculously optimistic (unrealistic) opinion doesn't factor in any complications whatsoever, either in the roll-out of the vaccines, or the several new strains developing from different countries, or how much protection we actually get from the vaccines. We are in complete unknown territory, and have been ever since March last year.

    The UK government have handled the virus pretty bad last year, which is why we currently have the highest per ratio death rate in the world, and are still on the back foot now, so to suddenly think this vaccine will be a smooth-as-silk roll-out with no problems whatsoever is seriously deluded.

    One thing 2020 has taught us is, you cannot plan for anything anymore and say with 100% that it will definitely happen. Last year changed all that, yet for some reason it must have passed you by...
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