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Yes, I believe that. This series has never focused much on continuity and the Craig films seem to function as their own self-contained universe like The Dark Knight Trilogy. I think with Bond 26 we'll have a new Bond, new Mi6 staff, and that everything from CR - B25 never happened.
I'd think the most likely scenario is Bond still doesn't officially return to service at the end of this.
I think they'll find a way in the story to handle this very thing, I'm sure they're aware. At the same time, on a more general note, people have also become more understanding of reboots etc and therefore won't have a problem accepting that B26 won't carry on the events of B25 etc.
I am not so sure. True, the franchise never cared about continuity, but this would be extreme.
Which would be a great shame, I think. Irrespective of all the other details like who is 007 in the film and who isn't, I'd like to see Craig's Bond finally find some comfort in his work, especially after a five year gap.
But, I digress.....whatever suits the story they want to tell.
Well, they are definitely aware. I'm more curious now than before. But now, since we live in the MeToo era, I think the chances of James gaining back his 007 status are close to 0.
But I have to say swichting from Lynch as 007 to Turner or whatever people hope it is not the same that switching from Bale to Affleck, or Garfield to Holland, speaking about people accepting reboots.
I don't think that's quite where they're gonna go with it.
Yes! I’d like to echo @CraigMooreOHMSS and say thank you @peter , the voice of reason.
Thanks, @CraigMooreOHMSS and @TR007 ! I trust your voice of reason as well, and I know that you have some spectacular characters in your own stories... This is what we strive for-- great stories, great characters (so actors want to play them)!
The papers will spin B25 as "woke", but I love the women from the 60s films (the best outside of the Craig era). They were wayyyyy ahead of the independent curve. Take Sylvia Trench. 1962. Out, very late at night, gambling, drinking, smoking. Just like our James Bond.
She challenges him after losing and tries to go for the win.
Although she loses, she breaks into this stranger's apartment to have sex with him (obviously)... That's one helluva an independent woman!!!! She knows what she wants, and she took it!
The 70s was a slightly weaker era, until Triple X and Naomi, and Holly Goodhead (although she had clunky and wooden lines); all were not damsels in distress.
In the 80s, apart from Stacy in AVTAK and Kara (TLD), we had Melina (out to kill); Octopussy (an international smuggler/gangster), Pam Bouvier (CIA) and Lupe (tough, street-wise moll);
In the 90s, I personally loved Xenia, but hated, HATED, the screaming, mothering Natalya...
I'd say the Brosnan era had the weakest women outside of Xenia-- Natalya was the mother, Lois Lane was good on paper, Wai Ling was soooooo unbelievably not attracted to Bond (and vice versa); Elektra was a great foil (Christmas Jones was, uh.........) , and; the less said about Halle Berry the better (an actress I love; I think of as sexy; she did her job in X-Men and; was amazing and vulnerable in Monsters Ball)
Historically, Bond has had an amazing run of mostly interesting women in most of the eras...
What we will see in B25 will be no different, just updating what we have already seen in the series!!!
By creating the Nomi character as the new 007, it doesn't seem so much like Eon being PC, but rather an "Eff you" to the endless media speculation that Bond himself should be female or of African descent. Seems they taken these constant rumors and turned it on it's head hopefully with a story and characters that will result in a classic Bond film.
I imagine the end result will be: James bond will remain as he's always been and will be reinstated as 007. They could probably just call the film LICENCE RENEWED if that's the case.
Or Licence Expired... :)
Flattery will get you everywhere, @peter ;)
I love Natalya, Xenia and Elektra. But yes, outside of those three the Brosnan era didn't live up to its potential on the Bond girl front.
I'm not quite as enthusiastic about the Craig era women as you are, as the last two films left a lot to be desired on that front (though Skyfall more than made up for it with a great performance from Dame Judi), but it looks like Lynch will have a fair bit to chew on in Bond 25, and under Fukanaga I think she'll certainly leave a mark, one way or another. As will a certain Cuban bombshell, too.
I like that, actually!
So it's back to execution. First, I don't automatically believe Daily Mail and other sources.
I am on board with the concept that Bond "shouldn't be PC", but confronting the character with that is different and can be good storytelling.
So I won't rush to judgment on something like this until all the facts are in.
Regarding "Licence Expired", that may have a Canada copyright of all things.
PC alarmists bound to spring up, but I'm not worried at all.
We'll see how this shakes out. This could be a great move and a good, solid story. I'm very interested, but I don't want to know more details about the plot. I'll do my best to keep my boundaries intact enough.
And correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure this isn't a new idea. It's a recycled one they had originally for Die Another Day and didn't end up using after the extreme rewrites in preproduction around/after the time Halle Berry came aboard.
Originally, I believe, Bond was to have returned from North Korea to find that a fellow agent named Gala Brand (who would later become Miranda Frost) now held the 007 number, and the film was essentially his story of earning it back. I always thought it a novel concept, so if that backstory's indeed true, I'm glad they've dusted it off.
I mean, it makes too much sense. If he's retired, why would he still 'have' that number?
She's impressed by Bond in the field?
He wouldn't, not after five years, and especially after he quit in SP. People just get their knickers in a twist over race and gender.
And blofield was in the bassinet next to him plotting to make sure he got the breast milk from the nurse before Bond
Sounds like a knowing piss take at the idea of Bond being either black or a woman. Hugely suspect Bond will have the 007 number at the end. Suspect this is some kind of retelling of YOLT somehow. Bond given a different number as in YOLT the novel. Suspect he's missing presumed dead and they honour him by given him the 007 number and 'retiring' it like sports teams do for a famous player who has worn a particular number.
I doubt this article. It’s Daily Mail, but it isn’t from Baz, so it could very well be complete garbage. Remember when they reported that the Rapide E would be Bond’s car? So far we’ve seen basically every Aston except the Rapide appear in this production. This story also claims that the term “Bond girl” has been banned and replaced with “Bond woman.” Didn’t Barbara herself recently say how some actresses preferred “woman” while others preferred “girl”? It certainly didn’t sound like she was ready to ban the use of the word girl.
If true, I agree completely. It’s ham-fisted and as heavy-handed as a Sunday afternoon animated morality tale. The latest in fad ethics shoved down your throat in an effort to stick a finger in the eye of tradition. A black, female 00 would be completely fine and the interplay between her and Bond could be very entertaining, but 007 is Bond.
who killed largo... way back when...
Maybe in tribute to Feldman there can be multiple OO7s in the film.
That was neither ham-fisted nor did it usurp Bond as 007. Having anyone other than Bond carry the 007 number is a sacrilege. It’s the the stylized, trademarked, logo of the series; it is Bond.
One thing that I look forward to in any Bond are beautiful women; with all deserved respect to her acting abilities, I don’t find Lashana the least bit attractive.
I’m hoping what she brings to the role makes my personal taste irrelevant.
I'm all in for Wade and a "Jimbo" phrase. But only if he is played by Joe Don Baker.
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Bond has been gone for five years. Has MI6 gone down the toilet in the meantime? Probably not. The 00 section is still operational, they even reattributed the 007 code number to another agent, as if it weren't some holy relic that should be retired. This should be humiliating to Bond, who might have assumed he was irreplaceable and a factor in him now wanting to show everybody how much of an asset he can be. They may have even deliberately reassigned the number to another agent to piss him off and to lure him out of retirement to prove everybody something.
That may not be the route they're going with. I'm just saying that this idea can have potential if the writers take advantage of it. The key is the execution, as always.
One of the main reasons people were turned off by Spectre was because it felt like over 2 hours of homage. (I know not everyone thinks this) But this quite popular opinion shows you that change can be good.
The two both successful James Bond films had their own style, a new story, interesting newly constructed characters and still honoured the series for what it was. So why can't Bond 25 do that with an interesting black female character taking on the 007 title.
Now, while I understand people's connection with James Bond as 007 this isn't really about James Bond being replaced with someone else as the 00 because we all know even if Nomi is 007 by the end of the film, she won't be 007 in Bond 26.
We know that for a fact because Barbara herself has spoke about her opinion of a female James Bond and how it isn't necessary and so forth. So what's the problem?
If you're problem is that 007 is James Bond, that's at fault, because it's been proven over and over again that James Bond is still James Bond without the number. He doesn't introduce himself as "The names 7, 007."