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  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
    Posts: 8,216
    Denbigh wrote: »
    Ok I'm just gonna say something quickly, we all know the franchise is having problems. That's a fact. Whats stopping that and what is holding them back is the idea of tradition and formula and homage.

    One of the main reasons people were turned off by Spectre was because it felt like over 2 hours of homage. (I know not everyone thinks this) But this quite popular opinion shows you that change can be good.

    The two both successful James Bond films had their own style, a new story, interesting newly constructed characters and still honoured the series for what it was. So why can't Bond 25 do that with an interesting black female character taking on the 007 title.

    Now, while I understand people's connection with James Bond as 007 this isn't really about James Bond being replaced with someone else as the 00 because we all know even if Nomi is 007 by the end of the film, she won't be 007 in Bond 26.

    We know that for a fact because Barbara herself has spoke about her opinion of a female James Bond and how it isn't necessary and so forth. So what's the problem?

    If you're problem is that 007 is James Bond, that's at fault, because it's been proven over and over again that James Bond is still James Bond without the number. He doesn't introduce himself as "The names 7, 007."

    Yes, I just posted this over on the Daily Mail.

    Bond has left MI-6, if she has been assigned the agent number of 007 it's because it was available and was a spot that needed to be filled. The thing is, she may, for a time be 007 but she will never be, and never can be. James Bond


    This is also a bit of toying with the PC crowd who have been calling for a female, and or black James Bond.
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    edited July 2019 Posts: 5,970
    talos7 wrote: »
    Denbigh wrote: »
    Ok I'm just gonna say something quickly, we all know the franchise is having problems. That's a fact. Whats stopping that and what is holding them back is the idea of tradition and formula and homage.

    One of the main reasons people were turned off by Spectre was because it felt like over 2 hours of homage. (I know not everyone thinks this) But this quite popular opinion shows you that change can be good.

    The two both successful James Bond films had their own style, a new story, interesting newly constructed characters and still honoured the series for what it was. So why can't Bond 25 do that with an interesting black female character taking on the 007 title.

    Now, while I understand people's connection with James Bond as 007 this isn't really about James Bond being replaced with someone else as the 00 because we all know even if Nomi is 007 by the end of the film, she won't be 007 in Bond 26.

    We know that for a fact because Barbara herself has spoke about her opinion of a female James Bond and how it isn't necessary and so forth. So what's the problem?

    If you're problem is that 007 is James Bond, that's at fault, because it's been proven over and over again that James Bond is still James Bond without the number. He doesn't introduce himself as "The names 7, 007."

    Yes, I just posted this over on the Daily Mail.

    Bond has left MI-6, if she has been assigned the agent number of 007 it's because it was available and was a spot that needed to be filled. The thing is, she may, for a time be 007 but she will never be, and never can be. James Bond

    This is also a bit of toying with the PC crowd who have been calling for a female, and or black James Bond.

    Or its because she's a competent agent so she was the best person for the job, and you could say that it's "toying with the PC crowd", but I don't think it is. It actually makes more sense because a James Bond film always has three Bond girls, so having one of the Bond girls be the new 007 just makes sense to me personally.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
    edited July 2019 Posts: 8,216
    Denbigh wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    Denbigh wrote: »
    Ok I'm just gonna say something quickly, we all know the franchise is having problems. That's a fact. Whats stopping that and what is holding them back is the idea of tradition and formula and homage.

    One of the main reasons people were turned off by Spectre was because it felt like over 2 hours of homage. (I know not everyone thinks this) But this quite popular opinion shows you that change can be good.

    The two both successful James Bond films had their own style, a new story, interesting newly constructed characters and still honoured the series for what it was. So why can't Bond 25 do that with an interesting black female character taking on the 007 title.

    Now, while I understand people's connection with James Bond as 007 this isn't really about James Bond being replaced with someone else as the 00 because we all know even if Nomi is 007 by the end of the film, she won't be 007 in Bond 26.

    We know that for a fact because Barbara herself has spoke about her opinion of a female James Bond and how it isn't necessary and so forth. So what's the problem?

    If you're problem is that 007 is James Bond, that's at fault, because it's been proven over and over again that James Bond is still James Bond without the number. He doesn't introduce himself as "The names 7, 007."

    Yes, I just posted this over on the Daily Mail.

    Bond has left MI-6, if she has been assigned the agent number of 007 it's because it was available and was a spot that needed to be filled. The thing is, she may, for a time be 007 but she will never be, and never can be. James Bond

    This is also a bit of toying with the PC crowd who have been calling for a female, and or black James Bond.

    Or its because she's a competent agent so she was the best person for the job, and you could say that it's "toying with the PC crowd", but I don't think it is. It actually makes more sense because a James Bond film always has three Bond girls, so having one of the Bond girls be the new 007 just makes sense to me personally.

    No need to be defensive, the fact that she’s a competent agent and qualified for the position is a given so there was no need to point that out.
    The point is , while she may have the number, she is not the new James Bond.

  • FrankXavierFrankXavier
    Posts: 678
    I'm pretty sure it was already said before but I don't think it's a great look if Bond takes the 007 designation from her at the end.
  • RossiRossi
    Posts: 157
    You know the name
    You know the number
    7777
  • BMW_with_missilesBMW_with_missiles All the usual refinements.
    Posts: 3,000
    talos7 wrote: »
    Denbigh wrote: »
    Ok I'm just gonna say something quickly, we all know the franchise is having problems. That's a fact. Whats stopping that and what is holding them back is the idea of tradition and formula and homage.

    One of the main reasons people were turned off by Spectre was because it felt like over 2 hours of homage. (I know not everyone thinks this) But this quite popular opinion shows you that change can be good.

    The two both successful James Bond films had their own style, a new story, interesting newly constructed characters and still honoured the series for what it was. So why can't Bond 25 do that with an interesting black female character taking on the 007 title.

    Now, while I understand people's connection with James Bond as 007 this isn't really about James Bond being replaced with someone else as the 00 because we all know even if Nomi is 007 by the end of the film, she won't be 007 in Bond 26.

    We know that for a fact because Barbara herself has spoke about her opinion of a female James Bond and how it isn't necessary and so forth. So what's the problem?

    If you're problem is that 007 is James Bond, that's at fault, because it's been proven over and over again that James Bond is still James Bond without the number. He doesn't introduce himself as "The names 7, 007."

    Yes, I just posted this over on the Daily Mail.

    Bond has left MI-6, if she has been assigned the agent number of 007 it's because it was available and was a spot that needed to be filled. The thing is, she may, for a time be 007 but she will never be, and never can be. James Bond


    This is also a bit of toying with the PC crowd who have been calling for a female, and or black James Bond.

    I suppose my opinion of it (if even true) will come down to how it’s handled; primarily how long Bond goes without his 007 designation and whether or not he ends the film in possession of his rightful number. The initial unease I felt when first reading this has subsided a little thinking of how it could possibly be done in ways that might not reek of pandering.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
    Posts: 8,216
    FrankXavier wrote: »
    I'm pretty sure it was already said before but I don't think it's a great look if Bond takes the 007 designation from her at the end.

    And he may not; Bond’s entire involvement in this situation may be unofficial; he may never be reinstated.
  • FoxRoxFoxRox
    Posts: 12,473
    BMW_with_missiles wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    Denbigh wrote: »
    Ok I'm just gonna say something quickly, we all know the franchise is having problems. That's a fact. Whats stopping that and what is holding them back is the idea of tradition and formula and homage.

    One of the main reasons people were turned off by Spectre was because it felt like over 2 hours of homage. (I know not everyone thinks this) But this quite popular opinion shows you that change can be good.

    The two both successful James Bond films had their own style, a new story, interesting newly constructed characters and still honoured the series for what it was. So why can't Bond 25 do that with an interesting black female character taking on the 007 title.

    Now, while I understand people's connection with James Bond as 007 this isn't really about James Bond being replaced with someone else as the 00 because we all know even if Nomi is 007 by the end of the film, she won't be 007 in Bond 26.

    We know that for a fact because Barbara herself has spoke about her opinion of a female James Bond and how it isn't necessary and so forth. So what's the problem?

    If you're problem is that 007 is James Bond, that's at fault, because it's been proven over and over again that James Bond is still James Bond without the number. He doesn't introduce himself as "The names 7, 007."

    Yes, I just posted this over on the Daily Mail.

    Bond has left MI-6, if she has been assigned the agent number of 007 it's because it was available and was a spot that needed to be filled. The thing is, she may, for a time be 007 but she will never be, and never can be. James Bond


    This is also a bit of toying with the PC crowd who have been calling for a female, and or black James Bond.

    I suppose my opinion of it (if even true) will come down to how it’s handled; primarily how long Bond goes without his 007 designation and whether or not he ends the film in possession of his rightful number. The initial unease I felt when first reading this has subsided a little thinking of how it could possibly be done in ways that might not reek of pandering.

    I’ve calmed down a bit too, but I’m definitely very concerned. They better realize they’d be alienating their true fans if they don’t execute this right.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
    Posts: 13,807
    Rossi wrote: »
    You know the name
    You know the number
    7777
    Spoken: Double-double-seven(?).

    Of course that means keeping Craig to film the Gardner books.
  • Tuck91Tuck91
    Posts: 1,680
    Eon are getting wackier as time goes on. I don’t like this latest news one bit. There gonna turn people off.
  • CASINOROYALECASINOROYALE Somewhere hot
    Posts: 1,003
    Cue Connery

    “But Sir. Women belong in the kitchen. Not the field.”

  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
    edited July 2019 Posts: 13,807
    "This is the big one, OO7. Your toughest assignment. Ever."
  • RemingtonRemington I'll do anything for a woman with a knife.
    edited July 2019 Posts: 1,534
    CASINOROYALE wrote: »
    Cue Connery

    “But Sir. Women belong in the kitchen. Not the field.”

    😂
  • MinionMinion Don't Hassle the Bond
    edited July 2019 Posts: 1,165
    FrankXavier wrote: »
    I'm pretty sure it was already said before but I don't think it's a great look if Bond takes the 007 designation from her at the end.
    Unless its to make a statement that women and people of color don't need to replace James Bond, and instead can be their own characters. BB, MGW and even DC have all made similar comments recently, possibly during one of the many interviews in Jamaica. I can clearly envision a moment where Lynch willingly hands back the 007 title, making a statement that she doesn't need it - she can have her own number.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
    Posts: 10,591
    Serious question: Do you think they'll omit the "007" in "Daniel Craig as Ian Fleming's James Bond 007"?
  • TR007TR007
    Posts: 1,165
    jake24 wrote: »
    Serious question: Do you think they'll omit the "007" in "Daniel Craig as Ian Fleming's James Bond 007"?
    Good question. It’s possible.
    Do you think the producers would entertain the idea of a PTS with Lynch’s 007 over Bond?

  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
    Posts: 14,584
    jake24 wrote: »
    Serious question: Do you think they'll omit the "007" in "Daniel Craig as Ian Fleming's James Bond 007"?
    Was just thinking about this. I can just imagine:

    Daniel Craig as Ian Fleming's James Bond 008: Relief Agent
  • ZekidkZekidk
    Posts: 3,276
    Pierce2Daniel wrote: »
    Lashana Lynch to play '007' in Bond 25
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7244671/Thought-007-never-woman-black-shes-James-Bond-hand-number-over.html

    This caught my attention even more:

    "Daniel Craig’s desire to do all his own stunts on the new Bond film has been thwarted by injury.

    Special-effects wizards have created a computer avatar of the 51-year-old star, which will enable his face to be digitally superimposed on to the body of his stunt double – Frenchman Jean-Charles Rousseau, 31.

    A source said: ‘Daniel is in great shape but there are some scenes he can’t do because they are too physically challenging. "

    Like driving a car?

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  • M_BaljeM_Balje Amsterdam, Netherlands
    edited July 2019 Posts: 4,520
    Yesterday there was mi6 feeling scene of Lynch chacter in Bulletproof, i get a litle bit sad by it.
    It was very good and i thinking what a shame Naomi Harris is Moneypenny.

    Some of develop of her chacter or from others you feel coming, but don',t mind.
    First i found her chacter boring.

    Very good bit of old Bond humor and sometimes serius of Luther. Dislike the moost balance between dialogue and action. Dialogue are to low and action to loud, hope there fix this. Sound like it is a easy series to follow, but no. So far i need second episode to get in it.
  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
    Posts: 4,585
    Junglist_1985 wrote: »
    AgentM72 wrote: »
    An additional (key) nugget in Perez's updated story:

    https://theplaylist.net/christoph-waltz-bloefeld-bond-25-20190711/

    He claims Blofeld indeed returns in a sort of "Silence of the Lambs" type scene, being mined for information while imprisoned by -- get this -- Lea Seydoux. So that would suggest Madeleine indeed survives the pretitles, and has a larger role to play in the story than some might assume.

    I can personally add that I've heard conflicting reports about her character's fate from various sources whom I'd (all) consider trustworthy, so I've no idea what's what at this point. But I hope the take Perez offers here turns out to be true.
    Perhaps this explains the flashback scene! Is it possible during the interrogation by Maddie the flashback occurs? (Recall that in Spectre Blofeld said he “came to your house when you were a little girl”) Also, Maddie is a psychologist - this makes perfect sense.

    It doesn't explain that at all. Instead...
    It further suggests that the girl is her daughter, in danger.
  • BMW_with_missilesBMW_with_missiles All the usual refinements.
    Posts: 3,000
    jake24 wrote: »
    Serious question: Do you think they'll omit the "007" in "Daniel Craig as Ian Fleming's James Bond 007"?

    Ugh that sinking feeling is back again. If this is the case I’ll be most displeased.
  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
    Posts: 3,157
    FoxRox wrote: »
    I envy the optimism. I won’t pass full judgment, but on paper this seems like a PC-type move. Specifically making the new character 007. Bond IS 007, and that’s what upsets me. Maybe the execution can surprise me.
    This. I don't care if the new 007 is a guy or a girl, white or black. I'm not angry because it's a woman. I'm angry because it's someone else, while 007 should always be James Bond, not Jane Smith or Winston Williams or Chris Jones.
  • ColonelSunColonelSun
    Posts: 1,493
    peter wrote: »
    Before anyone gets their knickers in a bunch: times are changing around James Bond-- whether you agree or disagree, it's happening.

    It's happening all around you.

    However, as one of the lead writers (PWB) has already stated: Bond has to stay true to his character.

    To me, that was an incredible statement, and I re-read it several times after it was published-- it made me that happy; she "got" the character. James Bond shouldn't change and he should remain firmly entrenched in his roots. That's what Ian Fleming's Bond is all about, after all... He doesn't exactly belong to the external world... He's a stranger...

    And, as PWB has rightly ascertained, the women in the Craig era have all been quite three dimensional (I'd even include Madeleine, as far as backstory and character are concerned, it's just the way it was executed where it fell short, but; Vesper, Camille (even Fields, who knew she let her inexperience overwhelm her), Severine... these are the best collection of Bond women-- for me-- since Connery.

    B25 is not kissing the ass of PC, no matter the spin. We have one of the lead, female, writers saying how good this era has been for women; she says Bond doesn't change, since he must stay true to his character, and; she has said she just wants the female actresses to pick up the script and be happy with their role-- that the characters are real and they can connect to the material. But that's what ALL writer's of films want. PWB just happens to write amazing female characters and puts them into amazing and uncomfortable scenes.

    After watching her body of work, especially Fleabag, I'm sold on her unique talent to tackle and depict truthfulness and reality (from the absurd). She's a unique voice. I think the Bond community should embrace her, and; this idea of James Bond being replaced as 007? He's been gone for five years! He may have tried to disappear and stay off the grid. It's a very unique idea and one, I feel, is closer to Fleming (when Bond is given a different government number in YOLT as a diplomat).

    100% agree. I'm personally not surprised by this news, it had already been hinted at, and it makes perfect sense that, with Bond inactive, 007 should be given to another Mi6 agent. How this will all dramatically (and playfully) unfold will be very interesting. And I like the journey, in CR Bond earns the 00 status and by Bond 25 he's lost it, but may strive to get it back.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489
    At the end of the film, we see Nomi serving food in the MI6 cantina, as she has realized it is a job much more suitable for her.
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
    Posts: 4,343
    ColonelSun wrote: »
    peter wrote: »
    Before anyone gets their knickers in a bunch: times are changing around James Bond-- whether you agree or disagree, it's happening.

    It's happening all around you.

    However, as one of the lead writers (PWB) has already stated: Bond has to stay true to his character.

    To me, that was an incredible statement, and I re-read it several times after it was published-- it made me that happy; she "got" the character. James Bond shouldn't change and he should remain firmly entrenched in his roots. That's what Ian Fleming's Bond is all about, after all... He doesn't exactly belong to the external world... He's a stranger...

    And, as PWB has rightly ascertained, the women in the Craig era have all been quite three dimensional (I'd even include Madeleine, as far as backstory and character are concerned, it's just the way it was executed where it fell short, but; Vesper, Camille (even Fields, who knew she let her inexperience overwhelm her), Severine... these are the best collection of Bond women-- for me-- since Connery.

    B25 is not kissing the ass of PC, no matter the spin. We have one of the lead, female, writers saying how good this era has been for women; she says Bond doesn't change, since he must stay true to his character, and; she has said she just wants the female actresses to pick up the script and be happy with their role-- that the characters are real and they can connect to the material. But that's what ALL writer's of films want. PWB just happens to write amazing female characters and puts them into amazing and uncomfortable scenes.

    After watching her body of work, especially Fleabag, I'm sold on her unique talent to tackle and depict truthfulness and reality (from the absurd). She's a unique voice. I think the Bond community should embrace her, and; this idea of James Bond being replaced as 007? He's been gone for five years! He may have tried to disappear and stay off the grid. It's a very unique idea and one, I feel, is closer to Fleming (when Bond is given a different government number in YOLT as a diplomat).

    100% agree. I'm personally not surprised by this news, it had already been hinted at, and it makes perfect sense that, with Bond inactive, 007 should be given to another Mi6 agent. How this will all dramatically (and playfully) unfold will be very interesting. And I like the journey, in CR Bond earns the 00 status and by Bond 25 he's lost it, but may strive to get it back.

    +1. There's even a chance he won't (get it back).

    In the books Bond has ever lost his status as 007? Seems not.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489
    matt_u wrote: »
    ColonelSun wrote: »
    peter wrote: »
    Before anyone gets their knickers in a bunch: times are changing around James Bond-- whether you agree or disagree, it's happening.

    It's happening all around you.

    However, as one of the lead writers (PWB) has already stated: Bond has to stay true to his character.

    To me, that was an incredible statement, and I re-read it several times after it was published-- it made me that happy; she "got" the character. James Bond shouldn't change and he should remain firmly entrenched in his roots. That's what Ian Fleming's Bond is all about, after all... He doesn't exactly belong to the external world... He's a stranger...

    And, as PWB has rightly ascertained, the women in the Craig era have all been quite three dimensional (I'd even include Madeleine, as far as backstory and character are concerned, it's just the way it was executed where it fell short, but; Vesper, Camille (even Fields, who knew she let her inexperience overwhelm her), Severine... these are the best collection of Bond women-- for me-- since Connery.

    B25 is not kissing the ass of PC, no matter the spin. We have one of the lead, female, writers saying how good this era has been for women; she says Bond doesn't change, since he must stay true to his character, and; she has said she just wants the female actresses to pick up the script and be happy with their role-- that the characters are real and they can connect to the material. But that's what ALL writer's of films want. PWB just happens to write amazing female characters and puts them into amazing and uncomfortable scenes.

    After watching her body of work, especially Fleabag, I'm sold on her unique talent to tackle and depict truthfulness and reality (from the absurd). She's a unique voice. I think the Bond community should embrace her, and; this idea of James Bond being replaced as 007? He's been gone for five years! He may have tried to disappear and stay off the grid. It's a very unique idea and one, I feel, is closer to Fleming (when Bond is given a different government number in YOLT as a diplomat).

    100% agree. I'm personally not surprised by this news, it had already been hinted at, and it makes perfect sense that, with Bond inactive, 007 should be given to another Mi6 agent. How this will all dramatically (and playfully) unfold will be very interesting. And I like the journey, in CR Bond earns the 00 status and by Bond 25 he's lost it, but may strive to get it back.

    +1. There's even a chance he won't (get it back).

    In the books Bond has ever lost his status as 007? Seems not.

    In YOLT, he gets the number 7777 instead.
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
    Posts: 4,343
    Thunderfinger wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    ColonelSun wrote: »
    peter wrote: »
    Before anyone gets their knickers in a bunch: times are changing around James Bond-- whether you agree or disagree, it's happening.

    It's happening all around you.

    However, as one of the lead writers (PWB) has already stated: Bond has to stay true to his character.

    To me, that was an incredible statement, and I re-read it several times after it was published-- it made me that happy; she "got" the character. James Bond shouldn't change and he should remain firmly entrenched in his roots. That's what Ian Fleming's Bond is all about, after all... He doesn't exactly belong to the external world... He's a stranger...

    And, as PWB has rightly ascertained, the women in the Craig era have all been quite three dimensional (I'd even include Madeleine, as far as backstory and character are concerned, it's just the way it was executed where it fell short, but; Vesper, Camille (even Fields, who knew she let her inexperience overwhelm her), Severine... these are the best collection of Bond women-- for me-- since Connery.

    B25 is not kissing the ass of PC, no matter the spin. We have one of the lead, female, writers saying how good this era has been for women; she says Bond doesn't change, since he must stay true to his character, and; she has said she just wants the female actresses to pick up the script and be happy with their role-- that the characters are real and they can connect to the material. But that's what ALL writer's of films want. PWB just happens to write amazing female characters and puts them into amazing and uncomfortable scenes.

    After watching her body of work, especially Fleabag, I'm sold on her unique talent to tackle and depict truthfulness and reality (from the absurd). She's a unique voice. I think the Bond community should embrace her, and; this idea of James Bond being replaced as 007? He's been gone for five years! He may have tried to disappear and stay off the grid. It's a very unique idea and one, I feel, is closer to Fleming (when Bond is given a different government number in YOLT as a diplomat).

    100% agree. I'm personally not surprised by this news, it had already been hinted at, and it makes perfect sense that, with Bond inactive, 007 should be given to another Mi6 agent. How this will all dramatically (and playfully) unfold will be very interesting. And I like the journey, in CR Bond earns the 00 status and by Bond 25 he's lost it, but may strive to get it back.

    +1. There's even a chance he won't (get it back).

    In the books Bond has ever lost his status as 007? Seems not.

    In YOLT, he gets the number 7777 instead.

    Thanks. So 007 was never given to another agent, I suppose.
    Zekidk wrote: »
    Pierce2Daniel wrote: »
    Lashana Lynch to play '007' in Bond 25
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7244671/Thought-007-never-woman-black-shes-James-Bond-hand-number-over.html
    Like driving a car?

    That happens all the time. Most of Bond scenes driving in Rome were filmed with stunt men.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
    Posts: 7,551
    matt_u wrote: »
    Thunderfinger wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    ColonelSun wrote: »
    peter wrote: »
    Before anyone gets their knickers in a bunch: times are changing around James Bond-- whether you agree or disagree, it's happening.

    It's happening all around you.

    However, as one of the lead writers (PWB) has already stated: Bond has to stay true to his character.

    To me, that was an incredible statement, and I re-read it several times after it was published-- it made me that happy; she "got" the character. James Bond shouldn't change and he should remain firmly entrenched in his roots. That's what Ian Fleming's Bond is all about, after all... He doesn't exactly belong to the external world... He's a stranger...

    And, as PWB has rightly ascertained, the women in the Craig era have all been quite three dimensional (I'd even include Madeleine, as far as backstory and character are concerned, it's just the way it was executed where it fell short, but; Vesper, Camille (even Fields, who knew she let her inexperience overwhelm her), Severine... these are the best collection of Bond women-- for me-- since Connery.

    B25 is not kissing the ass of PC, no matter the spin. We have one of the lead, female, writers saying how good this era has been for women; she says Bond doesn't change, since he must stay true to his character, and; she has said she just wants the female actresses to pick up the script and be happy with their role-- that the characters are real and they can connect to the material. But that's what ALL writer's of films want. PWB just happens to write amazing female characters and puts them into amazing and uncomfortable scenes.

    After watching her body of work, especially Fleabag, I'm sold on her unique talent to tackle and depict truthfulness and reality (from the absurd). She's a unique voice. I think the Bond community should embrace her, and; this idea of James Bond being replaced as 007? He's been gone for five years! He may have tried to disappear and stay off the grid. It's a very unique idea and one, I feel, is closer to Fleming (when Bond is given a different government number in YOLT as a diplomat).

    100% agree. I'm personally not surprised by this news, it had already been hinted at, and it makes perfect sense that, with Bond inactive, 007 should be given to another Mi6 agent. How this will all dramatically (and playfully) unfold will be very interesting. And I like the journey, in CR Bond earns the 00 status and by Bond 25 he's lost it, but may strive to get it back.

    +1. There's even a chance he won't (get it back).

    In the books Bond has ever lost his status as 007? Seems not.

    In YOLT, he gets the number 7777 instead.

    Thanks. So 007 was never given to another agent, I suppose.
    Zekidk wrote: »
    Pierce2Daniel wrote: »
    Lashana Lynch to play '007' in Bond 25
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7244671/Thought-007-never-woman-black-shes-James-Bond-hand-number-over.html
    Like driving a car?

    That happens all the time. Most of Bond scenes driving in Rome were filmed with stunt men.

    Never given to, but in Forever And A Day Bond adopts 007 from a previous agent.
  • ColonelSunColonelSun
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    Walecs wrote: »
    FoxRox wrote: »
    I envy the optimism. I won’t pass full judgment, but on paper this seems like a PC-type move. Specifically making the new character 007. Bond IS 007, and that’s what upsets me. Maybe the execution can surprise me.
    This. I don't care if the new 007 is a guy or a girl, white or black. I'm not angry because it's a woman. I'm angry because it's someone else, while 007 should always be James Bond, not Jane Smith or Winston Williams or Chris Jones.

    Bond is an agent who has been given the number 007. If Bond is no longer active as an agent, then it makes sense the number should be assigned to another new and active agent. The idea James Bond 007 is one and the same is really how it has been sold to the public in terms of marketing the character and the films, but within the logic and drama of the films, 007 is just a number assigned to an agent who has earned 00 status.
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
    edited July 2019 Posts: 4,343
    NickTwentyTwo wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    Thunderfinger wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    ColonelSun wrote: »
    peter wrote: »
    Before anyone gets their knickers in a bunch: times are changing around James Bond-- whether you agree or disagree, it's happening.

    It's happening all around you.

    However, as one of the lead writers (PWB) has already stated: Bond has to stay true to his character.

    To me, that was an incredible statement, and I re-read it several times after it was published-- it made me that happy; she "got" the character. James Bond shouldn't change and he should remain firmly entrenched in his roots. That's what Ian Fleming's Bond is all about, after all... He doesn't exactly belong to the external world... He's a stranger...

    And, as PWB has rightly ascertained, the women in the Craig era have all been quite three dimensional (I'd even include Madeleine, as far as backstory and character are concerned, it's just the way it was executed where it fell short, but; Vesper, Camille (even Fields, who knew she let her inexperience overwhelm her), Severine... these are the best collection of Bond women-- for me-- since Connery.

    B25 is not kissing the ass of PC, no matter the spin. We have one of the lead, female, writers saying how good this era has been for women; she says Bond doesn't change, since he must stay true to his character, and; she has said she just wants the female actresses to pick up the script and be happy with their role-- that the characters are real and they can connect to the material. But that's what ALL writer's of films want. PWB just happens to write amazing female characters and puts them into amazing and uncomfortable scenes.

    After watching her body of work, especially Fleabag, I'm sold on her unique talent to tackle and depict truthfulness and reality (from the absurd). She's a unique voice. I think the Bond community should embrace her, and; this idea of James Bond being replaced as 007? He's been gone for five years! He may have tried to disappear and stay off the grid. It's a very unique idea and one, I feel, is closer to Fleming (when Bond is given a different government number in YOLT as a diplomat).

    100% agree. I'm personally not surprised by this news, it had already been hinted at, and it makes perfect sense that, with Bond inactive, 007 should be given to another Mi6 agent. How this will all dramatically (and playfully) unfold will be very interesting. And I like the journey, in CR Bond earns the 00 status and by Bond 25 he's lost it, but may strive to get it back.

    +1. There's even a chance he won't (get it back).

    In the books Bond has ever lost his status as 007? Seems not.

    In YOLT, he gets the number 7777 instead.

    Thanks. So 007 was never given to another agent, I suppose.
    Zekidk wrote: »
    Pierce2Daniel wrote: »
    Lashana Lynch to play '007' in Bond 25
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7244671/Thought-007-never-woman-black-shes-James-Bond-hand-number-over.html
    Like driving a car?

    That happens all the time. Most of Bond scenes driving in Rome were filmed with stunt men.

    Never given to, but in Forever And A Day Bond adopts 007 from a previous agent.

    Something that, as someone said before, makes perfect sense. It's just a codename after all.
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