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@Denbigh aren't we the ones that fill their pockets and if it's not important why keep making movies sell the thing to Disney or Universal then. As long as it makes sense to the plot and they do it in a respectful way and he gets his number back I'm fine.
Exactly!!
But also If you compare casting news of a Bond film to a Marvel or DC film, the latter will always gather a bigger interest because its not just huge Marvel/DC fans, its the general public.
So the Bond franchise needs to practise what it preaches and change with the times. ONCE AGAIN if a 00 agent quits in a modern-day world, specifically 2019/2020, the new replacement has an equal chance of being a man or a woman, and if when writing the script and considering changing the franchise, it makes sense that the new 007 would be a woman then bloody well do it and create some buzz and interesting character motivations and dynamics.
If they wanna get people to watch, they can't keep doing the same stuff. Spectre was 2 hours of homage, so why not make the follow-up as original as possible.
@Denbigh can't they think of anything creative then use politics to sell tickets no imagination the reason they sell tickets is they trick people to believe things and then they force people to believe what they say and if you don't join in they make your life miserable. Like there are better ways like create a new secret agent to try to out duel Bond like the whole 009 thing from Spectre.
That's like saying "You shouldn't make Black Panther because of politics. You're just making a black superhero film because you're just trying to introduce more black characters into film so that you can sell tickets." It's not politics, the inclusion of a different nationality and culture in a film doesn't have to be considered politics.
"Oh no this woman can't play a role that narratively any gender could play because that's just the effect of SJW's and people wanting a black/female James Bond. Again, using politics to sell tickets." It's not politics, the inclusion of a different nationality and gender in a film doesn't have to be politics.
How are we meant to progress and move forward if people don't make decisions that are going to help progress and move forward whether you like it or not.
I personally would have liked to just see a classic Bond mission during the Craig era. We never got it. But anyone still carping on about that hasn't realised Craig Bond is never going down that road.
They are actors playing a part in a movie.
Exactly.
So we just ignore the timeline issue? The Bond living in 1962 and surrounded by its signifying elements is the same person as the Bond living in 2020?
Exactly which is why it's really important that they bring back that sense of familiarity after Bond 25. This movie can be a weird, messy experiment and it will still have some who enjoy it. Then they can bring back the old Bond, and others will be over the moon. That way everyone kinda gets what they want.
Precisely. Just like there's been actors playing Bruce Wayne from 1940's-2020's yet no one whines and tries to justify it with some code-name bull.
@Denbigh if you want progress change all the genders of characters like and race and see how you much sense is "left". Instead of making new characters and not cheapening the established ones.
That's not even an argument for what you're trying to say. You're just ridiculously hypothesising.
James Bond without the codename is still James Bond.
Nothing about him as a person changes when you remove his codename.
Bond is the same character but in a different world. Look I'm for change but sometimes change goes too far for my liking and certain things need to stay the same or things fall apart.
@Denbigh you talked about black panther what if we made Black panther white oh that's not right is it I guess it is or let's make wonder women a man now men are relevant. Thanks for trying to trick me and change things up didn't work.
He's going to be a muscled, blonde man called Daniel Craig. Nomi is her own character and has just gotten a realistic promotion into an empty position, and I'm not trying to trick you, I'm just using evidence of other properties to show that not everything has to be a "bad idea with a political agenda".
You've actually done most of the work for him, to be honest.
In my opinion, the idea is absolutely brillinat, a very good way to adapt the series to the feminist and multicultural era, keeping the esence of a white sexist hero.
If you want to go down that road you can go back to LTK and Bond "going rogue" the first time.
Cubby was quite clearly generally happy to keep on ploughing the same field endlessly. MGW had wanted to do an origins Bond and reboot since at least TLD. It's frankly not surprising Cubby's kids wanted to mess with the formula. Anyone else would as well.
The Brosnan era was a creative dead end. I don't like a lot of what they've done with the Craig era but it's a lot better than the dreary sub-Moore parody we had between 95 and 02. Yes they could reinvent in a much more intelligent way but their desire to mix things up is very understandable.
@Denbigh I know what you did and your cover up is to not bring it up pretty classic. ok so since you run the show we getting a new Bond logo 009 008 how we printing things or is Bond just out of the franchise and Naomi is the new agent how we go from here Ian Fleming doesn't matter too us anymore are taking his number and replacing him for the future of spy work. screw Bond we don't need him anymore. "This is the future because we said so and it makes sense."😉
Do you expect that future entries will star Lashana Lynch as Agent 007, NotJames Bond? Or that James Bond will continue to be the main character, but play second fiddle to other, more modern characters? Because you said yourself you think they are keeping the essence of him as a white sexist.
Ok we're done now @007Blofeld because you're not even bothering to make realistic arguments :)