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    Tuck91 wrote: »
    Everyone assumes Blofeld is in prison

    He was merely detained at the end of Spectre

    Maybe he got out before NTTD starts off

    Fair point,but isn't he interviewed in prison by Swann,or did I mishear that rumour ?
  • HildebrandRarityHildebrandRarity Centre international d'assistance aux personnes déplacées, Paris, France
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    The stories about Dalton and OHMSS have always sounded quite confused, and I agree that he would have been too young for the part then (being unknown wasn't an issue, given that they picked Lazenby). But, as others said, he was definitely for years on the shortlist to replace Moore, and that he may have been the first pick when Moore finally stepped down. But, because of previous commitments, he couldn't initially accept TLD, Brosnan got the part instead, then lost it due to NBC interference, and EON found an arrangement with the Brooke Shields vehicle Dalton had already signed to do.

    In a few ways, it hurt a little TLD, given that the script had still been written with Moore, then Brosnan, in mind and that the rest of the casting had also been done with Brosnan as the lead. In my opinion, the romance with Kara Milovy doesn't work as good as it should, because the two actors have a rather introvert style of acting that results in moments that remain lowkey. Dalton had a better dynamic with Carey Lowell as she causes him to be more expressive and assertive in the scenes they share. And, in many respects, Goldeneye is the same story (Bond helps, and falls for, an Eastern block damsel in distress who's lost in a conspiracy where she was just a pawn, something that's also a callback to FRWL), but this time with a lead better suited for this type of material.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
    edited October 2019 Posts: 10,591
    These Dalton/Mendes discussions has nothing to do with NTTD. Can we move it to a different thread please?
  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
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    TripAces wrote: »
    Getafix wrote: »
    Mendes was an awful choice for Bond and Craig IMO. I know the films did great BO but the Bond of SF and SP is a different character from CR and QOS. Totally lacking in the vitality and energy of the first 2 films.


    Walecs wrote: »
    JamesCraig wrote: »
    Walecs wrote: »
    Getafix wrote: »
    Mendes was an awful choice for Bond and Craig IMO. I know the films did great BO but the Bond of SF and SP is a different character from CR and QOS. Totally lacking in the vitality and energy of the first 2 films.
    +100

    It's just a different filmmaker.

    Mind you I don't hate QOS as much as a lot of us seem to do, but apart from Craig's performance there's not much that I find "great".

    IMO Mendes and Logan didn't get Bond. I think he never read the books and if he did he didn't care about getting Flrming's character right. He seemed much more interested in movie Bond - hence the constant homages even at the expense of continuity (like the DB5) - and unnecessary drama (hence the brother angle in SP).

    Take it somewhere else. Let's not hijack this thread with asinine crap.

    "Let's not hijack this thread with opinions, I'd rather hijack it to insult other members' opinion to show everyone how much superior I am."
    You're not, you're a pathetic idiot, but you had proven that already in the past
  • JamesCraigJamesCraig Ancient Rome
    edited October 2019 Posts: 3,497
    Walecs wrote: »
    TripAces wrote: »
    Getafix wrote: »
    Mendes was an awful choice for Bond and Craig IMO. I know the films did great BO but the Bond of SF and SP is a different character from CR and QOS. Totally lacking in the vitality and energy of the first 2 films.


    Walecs wrote: »
    JamesCraig wrote: »
    Walecs wrote: »
    Getafix wrote: »
    Mendes was an awful choice for Bond and Craig IMO. I know the films did great BO but the Bond of SF and SP is a different character from CR and QOS. Totally lacking in the vitality and energy of the first 2 films.
    +100

    It's just a different filmmaker.

    Mind you I don't hate QOS as much as a lot of us seem to do, but apart from Craig's performance there's not much that I find "great".

    IMO Mendes and Logan didn't get Bond. I think he never read the books and if he did he didn't care about getting Flrming's character right. He seemed much more interested in movie Bond - hence the constant homages even at the expense of continuity (like the DB5) - and unnecessary drama (hence the brother angle in SP).

    Take it somewhere else. Let's not hijack this thread with asinine crap.

    "Let's not hijack this thread with opinions, I'd rather hijack it to insult other members' opinion to show everyone how much superior I am."
    You're not, you're a pathetic idiot, but you had proven that already in the past

    For Pete's sake was that really necessary?

    Not everyone likes to bash Skyfall all the time.

    #-o [-X :-L
  • MinionMinion Don't Hassle the Bond
    Posts: 1,165
    The spirit of @CASINOROYALE lives on.
  • ResurrectionResurrection Kolkata, India
    Posts: 2,541
    JamesCraig wrote: »
    Walecs wrote: »
    TripAces wrote: »
    Getafix wrote: »
    Mendes was an awful choice for Bond and Craig IMO. I know the films did great BO but the Bond of SF and SP is a different character from CR and QOS. Totally lacking in the vitality and energy of the first 2 films.


    Walecs wrote: »
    JamesCraig wrote: »
    Walecs wrote: »
    Getafix wrote: »
    Mendes was an awful choice for Bond and Craig IMO. I know the films did great BO but the Bond of SF and SP is a different character from CR and QOS. Totally lacking in the vitality and energy of the first 2 films.
    +100

    It's just a different filmmaker.

    Mind you I don't hate QOS as much as a lot of us seem to do, but apart from Craig's performance there's not much that I find "great".

    IMO Mendes and Logan didn't get Bond. I think he never read the books and if he did he didn't care about getting Flrming's character right. He seemed much more interested in movie Bond - hence the constant homages even at the expense of continuity (like the DB5) - and unnecessary drama (hence the brother angle in SP).

    Take it somewhere else. Let's not hijack this thread with asinine crap.

    "Let's not hijack this thread with opinions, I'd rather hijack it to insult other members' opinion to show everyone how much superior I am."
    You're not, you're a pathetic idiot, but you had proven that already in the past

    For Pete's sake was that really necessary?

    Not everyone likes to bash Skyfall all the time.

    #-o [-X :-L

    This
  • Posts: 7,407
    NicNac wrote: »
    Mathis1 wrote: »
    NicNac wrote: »
    Mathis1 wrote: »
    Brosnan was a John Calley choice.
    Calley was briefly put in charge of United Artists around 1994-1995. He confronted EON with the lacklustre US box office of The Living Daylights and (especially) Licence to Kill, and asked for Dalton to be replaced, because they couldn't afford taking the risk of having three "flops" in a row for the franchise, especially after such a long gap in production. As a result, they had to change the lead to create even more buzz for Bond 17.
    EON tried to stick with Dalton, who had struck a friendship with Wilson and the Broccolis, but lost the fight. As a favor to Dalton, they offered him with the opportunity to announce instead he had resigned.

    When Cubby died in 1996, the family asked Dalton to be one of the pallbearers. They had a working relationship with Brosnan, but not ties as deep as with Dalton.

    Also, Martin Campbell has stated in interviews that he didn't like Dalton as Bond and wouldn't have considered directing Goldeneye with Dalton as the lead.

    Not sure how to break this to you, but Brosnan was literally Cubby's first choice to replace Moore after AVTAK. In fact, his over-enthusiasm for Brosnan was what kept Brosnan from taking the role until 1995.

    Cubby eagerly announced him to the press and had even gone so far as to shoot promotional material for TLD with him in it. But the media blitzkrieg lead to a tv show Brosnan was under contract to, getting another season, which in turn made Cubby turn to Dalton.


    According to John Glen book, Cubby had to be persuaded on the "merits" of Brosnan by Michael Wilson and Glen himself.
    Cubby always wanted Dalton as far back as OHMSS!

    No he didn't. Its a misconception that Dalton was considered to replace Connery when he quit in 1967/68. Dalton only had one film at that point - The Lion In Winter - which was released a few months after Lazenby was announced.

    Dalton was considered the second time Connery quit after DAF. By that time he had played Heathcliffe in Wuthering Hieghts on top of other roles. And was an emerging British star.

    Wrong. Dalton was offered it after Connery, but felt he was too young for the role! Next time he was considered was after MR, when Moore's contract was up!

    I don't know how it can possibly be wrong. In early 1968 when Lazenby was cast what had Cubby got to go on as far as Dalton was concerned? He had no CV. If Dalton says he was considered for OHMSS then he doesn't remember correctly. In 1971 Connery quit 'for good' and the search was on again. Dalton even then was 25 years old, so plenty young enough for him to think twice.

    And he was considered, along with many others. He was never approached.

    Am just going by John Glens book For My Eyes Only, that Dalton "had turned Cubby down for the role in the late 60's " so thst would mnean he was more than just considered!
  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
    edited October 2019 Posts: 3,157
    JamesCraig wrote: »
    Walecs wrote: »
    TripAces wrote: »
    Getafix wrote: »
    Mendes was an awful choice for Bond and Craig IMO. I know the films did great BO but the Bond of SF and SP is a different character from CR and QOS. Totally lacking in the vitality and energy of the first 2 films.


    Walecs wrote: »
    JamesCraig wrote: »
    Walecs wrote: »
    Getafix wrote: »
    Mendes was an awful choice for Bond and Craig IMO. I know the films did great BO but the Bond of SF and SP is a different character from CR and QOS. Totally lacking in the vitality and energy of the first 2 films.
    +100

    It's just a different filmmaker.

    Mind you I don't hate QOS as much as a lot of us seem to do, but apart from Craig's performance there's not much that I find "great".

    IMO Mendes and Logan didn't get Bond. I think he never read the books and if he did he didn't care about getting Flrming's character right. He seemed much more interested in movie Bond - hence the constant homages even at the expense of continuity (like the DB5) - and unnecessary drama (hence the brother angle in SP).

    Take it somewhere else. Let's not hijack this thread with asinine crap.

    "Let's not hijack this thread with opinions, I'd rather hijack it to insult other members' opinion to show everyone how much superior I am."
    You're not, you're a pathetic idiot, but you had proven that already in the past

    For Pete's sake was that really necessary?

    Not everyone likes to bash Skyfall all the time.

    #-o [-X :-L

    Pardon, I was not aware that opinions are not welcome and blind worship is mandatory instead. Skyfall is the best Bond movie ever, it has the best score, the best action sequences and the best Bond plot of them all. Every single detail in the movie is perfection. Fleming could have never, ever written a book half as good as Skyfall. Hopefully the masters are pleased, now.
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    Oops, just saw jakes warning. Will drop this. Back to NTTD!
  • JamesCraigJamesCraig Ancient Rome
    edited October 2019 Posts: 3,497
    Walecs wrote: »
    JamesCraig wrote: »
    Walecs wrote: »
    TripAces wrote: »
    Getafix wrote: »
    Mendes was an awful choice for Bond and Craig IMO. I know the films did great BO but the Bond of SF and SP is a different character from CR and QOS. Totally lacking in the vitality and energy of the first 2 films.


    Walecs wrote: »
    JamesCraig wrote: »
    Walecs wrote: »
    Getafix wrote: »
    Mendes was an awful choice for Bond and Craig IMO. I know the films did great BO but the Bond of SF and SP is a different character from CR and QOS. Totally lacking in the vitality and energy of the first 2 films.
    +100

    It's just a different filmmaker.

    Mind you I don't hate QOS as much as a lot of us seem to do, but apart from Craig's performance there's not much that I find "great".

    IMO Mendes and Logan didn't get Bond. I think he never read the books and if he did he didn't care about getting Flrming's character right. He seemed much more interested in movie Bond - hence the constant homages even at the expense of continuity (like the DB5) - and unnecessary drama (hence the brother angle in SP).

    Take it somewhere else. Let's not hijack this thread with asinine crap.

    "Let's not hijack this thread with opinions, I'd rather hijack it to insult other members' opinion to show everyone how much superior I am."
    You're not, you're a pathetic idiot, but you had proven that already in the past

    For Pete's sake was that really necessary?

    Not everyone likes to bash Skyfall all the time.

    #-o [-X :-L

    Pardon, I was not aware that opinions are not welcome and blind worship is mandatory instead. Skyfall is the best Bond movie ever, it has the best score, the best action sequences and the best Bond plot of them all. Every single detail in the movie is perfection. Fleming could have never, ever written a book half as good as Skyfall. Hopefully the masters are pleased, now.

    Grow up. I wasn't saying that you cannot dislike SF. My comment was aimed at your "spoiler".

    And indeed, sorry @jake24.
  • manovermanover uk
    Posts: 170
    Looks like members are desperate for a teaser trailer again!!
  • MinionMinion Don't Hassle the Bond
    Posts: 1,165
    manover wrote: »
    Looks like members are desperate for a teaser trailer again!!

    No, just desperate for attention.
  • Posts: 4,619
    manover wrote: »
    Looks like members are desperate for a teaser trailer again!!
    As I said a week or two ago, the sooner my fellow Bond fans accept that the teaser will NOT arrive before December, the happier and more relaxed they will be.
  • DeerAtTheGatesDeerAtTheGates Belgium
    Posts: 524
    The quote/unquote "problem" that we as fans are having, is that this period before us, post-production leading up to the release, is generally quite exiting. But currently it isn't.

    When you think about it, this is the period when the curtain gets pulled back slowly and the marketing ramps up. Character bios, stills, (teaser) trailers, interviews, posters, soundtrack listing, the first merchandise, tie-in campaigns... It all lies before us.

    But it's also a more controlled period: EON and its partners decide when to release all of the above. Interviews and set visits have taken place, but have been embargoed. We, as fans, can't go looking for 'leaks' and paparazzi pictures, things being filmed, the Instagram profiles of crew members will stay empty.

    So it can be frustrating to enter a period of draught, one where we don't have a new video from a DB5 every day. The only thing we can do about it is wait and see what happens.
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    Plenty of middleeastern/arab names in that SPECTRE list. I wonder if Vogel will get a larger part this time around. She has that 'Irma Bunt' vibe.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    Skim, skim, skim ...skim , ah, nothing, I guess I’ll check back later.
  • Posts: 5,767
    shamelord wrote: »
    Or is Blofeld somehow running SPECTRE from behind bars? ;)

    Hard for them to deal with Blofeld with originality - especially given Solomon Lane in the M:I films. Blofeld orchestrating things from a prison cell isn't original either - Italian Job, Silence of the Lambs, Skyfall, Dark Knight all have shades of this.
    Bond films are not about originality so much as about the execution rocking the house.

  • MinionMinion Don't Hassle the Bond
    Posts: 1,165
    @boldfinger

    See @jake24 response above
  • ContrabandContraband Sweden
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    Just reporting, got no clue:

    helipass[007]
    🇺🇸 The adventure continues with the latest James Bond movie 🎬! The famous secret agent will take aboard the H130, known for its top speed of more than 223 km / h ! 🚁
    Still a little patience to find the helicopter : “No time to die” on April 2020 🔜




  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 16,343
    JamesCraig wrote: »
    In any case, Dalton was a gentleman. He waited until 1994 to officially step down.
    Well there was nothing to step down from before that! :D
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
    Posts: 7,546
    Contraband wrote: »
    Just reporting, got no clue:

    helipass[007]
    🇺🇸 The adventure continues with the latest James Bond movie 🎬! The famous secret agent will take aboard the H130, known for its top speed of more than 223 km / h ! 🚁
    Still a little patience to find the helicopter : “No time to die” on April 2020 🔜




    Weird that it’s a photo of an Elements chopper. Maybe this source just got mixed up and thought the livery meant it’d be included in the next Bond film?
  • Contraband wrote: »
    IMDB updated:

    Safins henchman, Russian worker, Laboratory Team member, and lot's of Spectre-guys

    Lourdes Faberes ... Spectre Agent
    Ahmed Bakare ... Spectre VIP Guest
    Rae Lim ... Spectre Agent
    Paul O'Kelly ... Safins Henchmen
    Julian Ferro ... MI6 Security Guard
    Brigitte Millar ... Vogel
    Toby Sauerback ... Guard
    Iulia Filipovscaia ... Russian Worker
    Ty Hurley ... Office Male
    Rod Hunt ... Spectre Bodyguard
    Douglas Bunn ... Spectre Member
    Adnan Rashed ... Spectre Agent
    Michael Herne ... Spectre Guest
    Lampros Kalfuntzos ... Cyclist
    Joe Grossi ... Hotel Porter
    Mariia Legun ... Laboratory Team
    Andy Cheung ... Spectre Agent
    Andrew Reed ... Motorbike Rider
    Omar Alboukharey ... Spectre Member (uncredited)
    Rodrig Andrisan ... Spectre Member (uncredited)
    Ali El Khodary ... Bodyguard (uncredited)
    Andrew G. Ogleby ... MI6 Worker (uncredited)
    It's interesting that IMDB is making a distinction between the henchmen who work for Safin and the ones who work for SPECTRE. Might not mean anything major of course, but it is certainly suggestive...
  • Posts: 625
    matt_u wrote: »
    Jan1985 wrote: »
    fjdinardo wrote: »
    SF & SP gave EON 2 1 billion dollar movies while Brosnan didn't.

    You can't compare box office from then and now.
    Ticket prices were much lower back then, even in the 90's.

    Adjusted for inflation "Die Another Day" (only in the US) was more succesful than CR, QOS and SP.
    It's different in other countries where Craig is far more popular.

    Or maybe where people have better tastes... :D :D

    Jokes aside, just for the record, adjusting to the current inflation DAD earned almost 90 million dollars less than QOS, 140 less than CR and 330 less than SP.
    Contraband wrote: »
    IMDB updated:

    Safins henchman, Russian worker, Laboratory Team member, and lot's of Spectre-guys

    Lourdes Faberes ... Spectre Agent
    Ahmed Bakare ... Spectre VIP Guest
    Rae Lim ... Spectre Agent
    Paul O'Kelly ... Safins Henchmen
    Julian Ferro ... MI6 Security Guard
    Brigitte Millar ... Vogel
    Toby Sauerback ... Guard
    Iulia Filipovscaia ... Russian Worker
    Ty Hurley ... Office Male
    Rod Hunt ... Spectre Bodyguard
    Douglas Bunn ... Spectre Member
    Adnan Rashed ... Spectre Agent
    Michael Herne ... Spectre Guest
    Lampros Kalfuntzos ... Cyclist
    Joe Grossi ... Hotel Porter
    Mariia Legun ... Laboratory Team
    Andy Cheung ... Spectre Agent
    Andrew Reed ... Motorbike Rider
    Omar Alboukharey ... Spectre Member (uncredited)
    Rodrig Andrisan ... Spectre Member (uncredited)
    Ali El Khodary ... Bodyguard (uncredited)
    Andrew G. Ogleby ... MI6 Worker (uncredited)
    It's interesting that IMDB is making a distinction between the henchmen who work for Safin and the ones who work for SPECTRE. Might not mean anything major of course, but it is certainly suggestive...

    IMDB is not making any differece.
    IMDB works like wikipedia. Those "actors" put themselves on the list and had every freedom in thinking about a character name.
    It's not an official cast list by EON.

    I could out myself on that list as a cast member and IMDB wouldn't do anything about it.
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    With the state of the British justice system? Maybe Blofeld got a suspended sentence? Or early release?!!! :))
  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
    Posts: 3,157
    Jan1985 wrote: »
    IMDB is not making any differece.
    IMDB works like wikipedia. Those "actors" put themselves on the list and had every freedom in thinking about a character name.
    It's not an official cast list by EON.

    I could out myself on that list as a cast member and IMDB wouldn't do anything about it.

    Exactly
  • Posts: 1,680
    RogueAgent wrote: »
    With the state of the British justice system? Maybe Blofeld got a suspended sentence? Or early release?!!! :))

    Or detained then merely let go for lack of evidence.

    A British agent shot his helicopter down. Could’ve killed innocent people. Another leap of logic on bonds part
  • HildebrandRarityHildebrandRarity Centre international d'assistance aux personnes déplacées, Paris, France
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    How do some of those people know that they are credited or uncredited, given that there are no credits at this point?
  • JamesCraigJamesCraig Ancient Rome
    Posts: 3,497
    How do some of those people know that they are credited or uncredited, given that there are no credits at this point?

    Because thats IMDB. I wouldn't put much into it.
  • edited October 2019 Posts: 440
    IMDB may not be 100% reliable, but it's certainly much more accurate than Wikipedia when it comes to these minor roles.

    In my movie-making experience, unless someone is playing a minor background extra as part of a gigantic crowd scene, even these small roles will have some kind of character name, even if it's something as simple as Hotel Porter #2 or what have you.

    The majority of the cast and crew doesn't have time to learn the names of every single person who comes and goes on the set, so simple descriptive names are often used if the actor needs to be told to move out of shot, step forward etc...

    These actors know their role names and credits because they will be on the daily call sheets given to the crew, and they'll also have a pretty good idea of if they'll be credited or not before they even start to film.

    There are whole agencies that specialize in providing generic stock background performers who will almost always go uncredited. Take a look at the IMDB profiles of some of those actors, 90% of their work is uncredited background roles, this is the reason why.

    They don't have dialogue or anything to do except stand around, and likely won't be fully seen on screen, they get paid a flat rate regardless so they don't mind being uncredited.
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