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Would you mind discussing like an adult? You seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding of Silva. M's decision isn't what made him deranged. The guy was already so before she made the decision to give him up. She brought up that he was getting out of control and figured handing him over would be a swift way of tidying things up, unaware of the ramifications that would come about should a man like Silva live through and escape.
What is an adult conversation? The boo boo was not directed at a forum member but rather over Raul's feelings towards M. I gave my opinions why the characterisation of Raul dragged SkyFall down considerably.
This isn't the thread for this. But as Moneypenny told Bond: "You should do your homework."
Silva was not interested in simply killing M. He wanted "style points." And he wanted to do it on her turf, not his. He said, "All that running around, so dull, so dull." But he knew that that was what he was going to have to do. While he was a "point and click" villain, and could have killed M in the explosion, he had to wage this battle on the ground. That was why the hard drive was stolen. He didn't actually have to do that: he could have hacked his way into that info. This was Silva's sickness: all of that technology does nothing for the human soul if the kill is personal. Q's meeting with Bond, in the National Gallery, reflects that sentiment.
Make no mistake, SF was the most deeply psychological Bond ever. To say that Silva had "Mommy Issues" is to miss the point entirely.
But as TripAces said, this really isn't the thread for that. Time to look forward to the next film.
Awful lot of work for someone here to check the news, to have to go into two identically-purposed threads ;)
We have just discovered a pic taken at the RAF-base with the Aston Martin DBS Superleggera in the background. Debate that mystery instead.
Yes. Thank you. The SF issues should always be taken here: https://www.mi6community.com/discussion/9169/did-i-overcomplicate-the-plot-skyfall-appreciation-discussion#latest
Also, here is this bit from interview with Dan:
That could explain why Eon let´s us do the marketing ;-).
To me it kind of was the catalyst for this film to come under more fire. There was even an article that said "we know too much about this film", when all we've done on this site really is have honest debates and discussions about how we know next to nothing about what's going on in this film, yet the tabloids seem to think otherwise.
Lol sorry to bring it all up again but I think it's probably part of it. The only good thing to come out of this really is that at least they're talking about the film at hand for once, rather than "Will Tom Hiddleston or Tom Hardy play Bond?" Don't get me wrong I love Tom Hardy to hell and back, but he's never going to be Bond and the discussion is kinda getting old, at least with the repeated choices the usual articles throw at you.
Whether that translates to ticket sales is anybody's guess and will heavily depend on EoN's marketing campaign that hasn't even started yet.
Similar thing happend to Terminator Dark Fate, a film that was heavily scrutinized by outrage culuture, for being woke and pushing female characters to the forefront, month before release, and now we can say for certain that the film tanked at the BO. But the film itself was trully mediocre, and the script leaked month in advance, so you can't say for sure what exactly lead to it's demise. But the negative publicity didn't help for sure.
In my personal opinion they should focus the marketing fully on Daniel, which is really a no brainer. It's his film and that's about it.
We know.
@Walecs too true, Sopranos was brilliant. Almost 7 years since Jim left us. :(
Interesting. It's not like "Reddit" or "YouTube" represent the ticket-buying masses, of course, but that's certainly interesting. And as for YouTube, for every video telling us how awesome THE MATRIX is, there's also a video explaining "everything that's wrong with" THE MATRIX. Sometimes I think it's merely action-reaction, rather than legitimate opinions being posted by people who mean well. If ten videos will tell you that Lashana's involvement is great, another ten will soon bash her involvement. I don't know what to think of these videos. More than half the time, people's arguments are either non-existent or ridiculous anyways. Again, I doubt the most general of audiences out there, people who know of this James Bond but who couldn't tell you which film had which actor in it, care one way or the other.
So far we've gotten one of these videos for SP and now SF. Could it be that they're doing a throwback sort of countdown so that after a CR one comes out, they release the NTTD trailer???
Interesting way of thinking! I was actually quite surprised when I saw the SP video, since that's not the usual style they have for such videos. These cost more time to edit. So it might be a well-thought out plan from the studios, and not just EON's social media team fooling around.
Time-wise, if we get one video for each week, then the NTTD trailer could drop in the last week of november, which seems to be (roughly) as predicted.
Also interesting to note that both times the videos showcase the PTS. If we also get a QOS and CR video, chances are they'll also feature the PTS. If not that trailer, might we get a video like these featuring the NTTD PTS? Traditionally, the PTS often gets used quite heavily in the marketing.
Selection bias, I'd say. The sort of people who care enough to script, film, and upload a 10-minute video complaining about gender in Star Wars or James Bond definitely do not represent the average movie-goer.
They're more often drawn from the extremes of gushing praise or frothy outrage, but precious little in the middle.
I agree, and most of them aren't even Bond fans or know anything about the franchise. I was suprised what sort of people came out of the woodwork to complain about this, since they never had anything to do with Bond before.
But the problem in my opinion is, that all these channels and "influencers" combined can paint a negative picture of EoN as greedy and money hungry feminist-symphizers to the average person who gets his info from youtube movie channels. We even had members on here (and still do) who bought into it. It happens.
Again, i hope it won't translate into ticket sales and since EoN haven't really started their marketing yet, and haven't really given us any clue of what sort of movie they will give us this time around, there is no need to worry atm.
This is spot on. Most of the complaints I saw were from people who openly said "I don't even like Bond movies, I just think this way of hiring women in place of men for male roles is wrong"
News is slow again it seems.
So whether you believe it or not, or whether you believe these reactions represent a small amount of audience members or not, the point remains that the media seem to have had a lot of fun trashing on this film. Although just to add, does no-one remember how certain fans on here responded? People were saying how ugly she was, and how triggering it was, and how if she’s 007 at all I’m not gonna see this movie. You might not think they’re fans but they still have a part to play in the films success, and the media are only making it worse.
This debate is moot.
We can all cherry-pick the quotes which suit our arguments. For example, I saw an overwhelming amount of positivity on Twitter.
All these types of stories - whether it be The Little Mermaid, Ghostbusters, Star Wars, Catwoman - just push people into their corners more. There will be those who either LOVE it and then those who HATE it. With both sides refusing to engage and brand one side 'racist' or 'politically correct.' It's pretty boring and overly common on the Internet these days.
Gladly I sit in the middle, where I genuinely struggle to care about fictional characters to such an extent. I just want a good movie