No Time to Die production thread

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  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Exaggerated yes, but my point is I think we sometimes put way too much stock on Bond tropes. I remember when CR came out it wasn’t uncommon then that a fan would give it a lower rating just on the grounds of stuff like main titles lacking naked women, no Q or Moneypenny, etc. Thankfully I don’t see much of that anymore, once the dust settled for CR at least.
    On the other hand I don't get why some of you are so against some of those elements, anyway.
    I’m not, I just don’t consider them deal breakers.
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    GadgetMan wrote: »
    JamesCraig wrote: »
    GadgetMan wrote: »
    Denbigh wrote: »
    Glad to see people are raving about Knives Out. Hope this does wonders for NTTD too :)

    Yeah, Everything about NNTD looks Spectacular. But one thing Bond fans deserve, is the frequent use & full blast of the Bond theme when Craig does something exceptionally Bondian.

    Could you tell us what something "exceptionally" Bondian is according to you?

    :-?

    Ok, I used 'Exceptionally Bondian' coz it's the Craig era where strong usage of the bond theme is lacking in action scenes(At least we know why the theme was absent in Casino Royale)It's something that was ever present in the Brosnan era. E.g in The world is not enough when he escapes from the swiss bank, the bond theme is done in such a way that it fits in with Brosnan's gestures & movements. Not saying Craig hasn't done anything exceptional bondian, I just feel he deserves the full blown bond theme in his action scenes in NTTD. Who knows? Maybe if the bond theme was used fully in SPECTRE during the Rome car chase, it would have gone well with Craig's serious gestures to match with his slick driving of the Aston Martin even if the car chase wasn't as gritty as the one in Quantum Of Solace. Oh, and I correct myself with my previous No Time To Die Abbreviation....my mistake

    I miss the full James Bond theme (not just the bass line) peppered throughout the films.

  • GadgetManGadgetMan Lagos, Nigeria
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    RC7 wrote: »
    GadgetMan wrote: »
    Am hoping for NTTD to have a spectacular finale....I always thought TND was the last time the franchise had a huge finale. Although one might say Skyfall has to a certain extent. I jst feel the recent films open Big but end with a sort of 'is that all?'. I wouldn't mind if NTTD opens in a more suspenseful way, and the big action scenes come afterwards

    All depends on the weight of the story. Cinema has changed. You can’t just build a big set and put a load of bad dudes in it anymore. Don’t get me wrong, hollowed-out volcanoes are joyously insane, but audiences are beyond superficial spectacle these days. CR was ‘spectacular’ imo, because it carried so much emotional resonance.

    Yeah, I share your opinion....at least NTTD's finale can be a bit lengthy. QOS' finale seemed rush, SP's too, almost as if they were writing the finale and shooting at the same time. But with SF, it was intense, explosive and lengthy. And of course CR as you pointed out really has emotional resonance. And because of it's gripping tragic end, one can overlook it's stripped down finale.
  • GadgetManGadgetMan Lagos, Nigeria
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    You know what we haven’t had since TLD? Bond with the cohorts at the end. So odd that it was a staple you used to get with these films but has been untouched for over 30 years, a longer timespan than how old the series was when it last did it.

    Yeah, I totally agree.
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    I should hope it can surpass SP’s finale in every way. CR, QOS, and SF all have exciting, satisfying endings IMO.
  • GadgetManGadgetMan Lagos, Nigeria
    edited November 2019 Posts: 4,247
    RC7 wrote: »
    GadgetMan wrote: »
    Am hoping for NTTD to have a spectacular finale....I always thought TND was the last time the franchise had a huge finale. Although one might say Skyfall has to a certain extent. I jst feel the recent films open Big but end with a sort of 'is that all?'. I wouldn't mind if NTTD opens in a more suspenseful way, and the big action scenes come afterwards

    All depends on the weight of the story. Cinema has changed. You can’t just build a big set and put a load of bad dudes in it anymore. Don’t get me wrong, hollowed-out volcanoes are joyously insane, but audiences are beyond superficial spectacle these days. CR was ‘spectacular’ imo, because it carried so much emotional resonance.

    And I also think if they don't involve the whole of Mi6 at the finale, that would be great.
  • GadgetManGadgetMan Lagos, Nigeria
    edited November 2019 Posts: 4,247
    RC7 wrote: »
    GadgetMan wrote: »
    Am hoping for NTTD to have a spectacular finale....I always thought TND was the last time the franchise had a huge finale. Although one might say Skyfall has to a certain extent. I jst feel the recent films open Big but end with a sort of 'is that all?'. I wouldn't mind if NTTD opens in a more suspenseful way, and the big action scenes come afterwards

    All depends on the weight of the story. Cinema has changed. You can’t just build a big set and put a load of bad dudes in it anymore. Don’t get me wrong, hollowed-out volcanoes are joyously insane, but audiences are beyond superficial spectacle these days. CR was ‘spectacular’ imo, because it carried so much emotional resonance.

    I just feel they need to pay more attention to the climax this time, just because of how SP's finale looked.
  • GadgetManGadgetMan Lagos, Nigeria
    edited November 2019 Posts: 4,247
    delfloria wrote: »
    GadgetMan wrote: »
    JamesCraig wrote: »
    GadgetMan wrote: »
    Denbigh wrote: »
    Glad to see people are raving about Knives Out. Hope this does wonders for NTTD too :)

    Yeah, Everything about NNTD looks Spectacular. But one thing Bond fans deserve, is the frequent use & full blast of the Bond theme when Craig does something exceptionally Bondian.

    Could you tell us what something "exceptionally" Bondian is according to you?

    :-?

    Ok, I used 'Exceptionally Bondian' coz it's the Craig era where strong usage of the bond theme is lacking in action scenes(At least we know why the theme was absent in Casino Royale)It's something that was ever present in the Brosnan era. E.g in The world is not enough when he escapes from the swiss bank, the bond theme is done in such a way that it fits in with Brosnan's gestures & movements. Not saying Craig hasn't done anything exceptional bondian, I just feel he deserves the full blown bond theme in his action scenes in NTTD. Who knows? Maybe if the bond theme was used fully in SPECTRE during the Rome car chase, it would have gone well with Craig's serious gestures to match with his slick driving of the Aston Martin even if the car chase wasn't as gritty as the one in Quantum Of Solace. Oh, and I correct myself with my previous No Time To Die Abbreviation....my mistake

    I miss the full James Bond theme (not just the bass line) peppered throughout the films.

    My Sentiments exactly....the electric guitar part of the theme played during an action scene. I think the last time that happened was during the hovercraft chase in Die Another Day. I think the end credits can feature another good theme song or an alternate version of the title song or even repeating the title song.instead of playing the bond theme. I think that's one of the ways of overusing the bond theme that fans don't like. Just look at how Shirley Bassey's Goldfinger Kicks in at the end, immediately Bond covers Galore with the Parachute, after saying 'This is No Time To Be Rescued'.
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  • DenbighDenbigh UK
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    Fukunaga just seems like such a cool guy. If No Time to Die is good and successful, I’d be up for having him return :)
  • JamesCraigJamesCraig Ancient Rome
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    On a side note: I know that Kate Moss is a junkie, but I've always got a thing for her.

    Now move on, lads. :-j
  • GadgetManGadgetMan Lagos, Nigeria
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    Denbigh wrote: »
    Fukunaga just seems like such a cool guy. If No Time to Die is good and successful, I’d be up for having him return :)
    Yeah, that would be Cool...although, there's always a risk having a director returning to a bond film immediately after he finishes one. Coz if he's not careful he might repeat himself. That's why Some Parts of SP looked like SF. E.g the Massive crowd opening, Bond meeting Tanner & unfortunately, a large part of the score. I guess that's why Martin Campbell chose not to return for TND. But only did years later with CR. John Glen did direct a straight 5 which were good, but I like TLD the most. One can only imagine what SP would have looked liked if another director directed it.
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    RC7 wrote: »
    GadgetMan wrote: »
    Am hoping for NTTD to have a spectacular finale....I always thought TND was the last time the franchise had a huge finale. Although one might say Skyfall has to a certain extent. I jst feel the recent films open Big but end with a sort of 'is that all?'. I wouldn't mind if NTTD opens in a more suspenseful way, and the big action scenes come afterwards

    All depends on the weight of the story. Cinema has changed. You can’t just build a big set and put a load of bad dudes in it anymore. Don’t get me wrong, hollowed-out volcanoes are joyously insane, but audiences are beyond superficial spectacle these days. CR was ‘spectacular’ imo, because it carried so much emotional resonance.
    I think Michael Bay would like to have a word with you.

  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
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    GadgetMan wrote: »
    One can only imagine what SP would have looked liked if another director directed it.

    We most likely would not have had Brofeld and those mediocre action scenes.
  • GadgetManGadgetMan Lagos, Nigeria
    edited November 2019 Posts: 4,247
    Walecs wrote: »
    GadgetMan wrote: »
    One can only imagine what SP would have looked liked if another director directed it.

    We most likely would not have had Brofeld and those mediocre action scenes.

    Very true....it just gets to show Bond movies work much better as standalone adventures. It's the pressure to connect the Daniel Craig films that has made the gap between his movies wider & resulting in some not as good as the others. I know other issues contributed like studio issues and all that. But if Craig films were standalone adventures. We would have had Craig's films coming out quicker and he would have done more films. But NTTD already looks like it's in the same vein as CR & SF if not better. but let's hope the 7th actor stars in standalone films.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    I never saw an issue having SP at least connect to previous films. Wasn’t that something many fans were game for anyway? I recall a lot of discussion over how EON should continue the whole Quantum thing. We got that, albeit with a name change (which I welcomed because Quantum was such an lame placeholder of a name). The foster brother angle I could have easily done without, because there’s already sufficient conflict between Bond and Blofeld given the run ins that happened with all the SPECTRE agents.
  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
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    I never saw an issue having SP at least connect to previous films. Wasn’t that something many fans were game for anyway? I recall a lot of discussion over how EON should continue the whole Quantum thing.

    Yeah, me neither, I just think it doesn't really works because Blofeld doesn't come across as someone who could be behind the previous movies events. But I loved the idea on paper.
  • JamesCraigJamesCraig Ancient Rome
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    I have a feeling they'll retcon some of this "foster brother" bs.

    Or am I the only one? :-?
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
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    JamesCraig wrote: »
    I have a feeling they'll retcon some of this "foster brother" bs.

    Or am I the only one? :-?
    I don't think they'll retcon the brother thing, but I do think they'll just ignore it. At this point, it doesn't really matter. Like he says in Spectre "Franz Oberhauser died twenty years ago", let's keep it that way :D
  • GadgetManGadgetMan Lagos, Nigeria
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    I never saw an issue having SP at least connect to previous films. Wasn’t that something many fans were game for anyway? I recall a lot of discussion over how EON should continue the whole Quantum thing. We got that, albeit with a name change (which I welcomed because Quantum was such an lame placeholder of a name). The foster brother angle I could have easily done without, because there’s already sufficient conflict between Bond and Blofeld given the run ins that happened with all the SPECTRE agents.

    Yeah, exactly....it's the foster brother thing that would make one wish the Craig's movies were standalone adventures. Coz SF was really looking like a Standalone film until Mendes decided to directed SP as a continuation of SF. I jst think with standalone films, the filmmakers have more freedom to create something fresh without worrying about tying previous stories together. Jst my opinion though.
  • JamesCraigJamesCraig Ancient Rome
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    Denbigh wrote: »
    JamesCraig wrote: »
    I have a feeling they'll retcon some of this "foster brother" bs.

    Or am I the only one? :-?
    I don't think they'll retcon the brother thing, but I do think they'll just ignore it. At this point, it doesn't really matter. Like he says in Spectre "Franz Oberhauser died twenty years ago", let's keep it that way :D

    Or we could remake Spectre ;-)
  • GadgetManGadgetMan Lagos, Nigeria
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    If they can retcon the foster brother thing without it looking too contrived, then that would be top-notch writing & directing. But at this point, it really does seem like a tough ask. But thank Goodness we have a new villan in Safin. We wouldn't dwell on foster brother thing that much once the movie comes out. Who knows? It might just improve SP. Coz I remember Qos was starting to get some appreciation after SF was released.
  • JamesCraigJamesCraig Ancient Rome
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    GadgetMan wrote: »
    If they can retcon the foster brother thing without it looking too contrived, then that would be top-notch writing & directing. But at this point, it really does seem like a tough ask. But thank Goodness we have a new villan in Safin. We wouldn't dwell on foster brother thing that much once the movie comes out. Who knows? It might just improve SP. Coz I remember Qos was starting to get some appreciation after SF was released.

    TBH, I never diskliked QOS as much as many of us here did. And it still contains DC's best performance imho.
  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
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    QoS and SP are exact opposites to me. I absolutely loathed QoS when I first watched but it grew on me and now it's one of my favourites (I just wish the editing was not so fast paced at the beginning of the movie, but it's a minor nitpick, I love everything else).

    When I first watched SP I thought it was okayish but now I loathe it. The more I watch it the least invested I feel when watching, I just don't care about anything on screen. Bond never feels in danger, Blofeld's scheme doesn't resonate as dangerous to me, Bond doesn't seem to care in the slightest bit about Madeleine so why should I enjoy the scene where they run off together at the end, the forster brother thing doesn't seem to impact Bond at all and it has no bearing on the plot so why does it even matter that it's there?*.

    I also have a few minor nitpicks (Skyfall score rehash, not a fan of Bellucci's acting) but I could get easily over them if I enjoyed the rest. For once, I think that the slide whistle in TMWTGG is stupid but I enjoy most of the movie so who cares. Same with the "This never happened to the other fellow"; it's a stupid line but I love OHMSS so much that I came to appreciate the line.

    *I so wish they kept the card game from the script.
  • GadgetManGadgetMan Lagos, Nigeria
    edited November 2019 Posts: 4,247
    JamesCraig wrote: »
    GadgetMan wrote: »
    If they can retcon the foster brother thing without it looking too contrived, then that would be top-notch writing & directing. But at this point, it really does seem like a tough ask. But thank Goodness we have a new villan in Safin. We wouldn't dwell on foster brother thing that much once the movie comes out. Who knows? It might just improve SP. Coz I remember Qos was starting to get some appreciation after SF was released.

    TBH, I never diskliked QOS as much as many of us here did. And it still contains DC's best performance imho.

    Yeah, I also like QoS....it's car chase is still DC's best.(that's until we see the matera chase in NTTD)It's the more reason why I really wished DC's era had standalone films, he would have done more films and we might not have had the foster brother thing(Something that always makes bond fans cringe).
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    I was mixed on QOS from the start and have only liked it less in the passing years. Now it feels redundant and I wish Craig had a completely different film with another director behind it instead. All the action IMO obnoxious and atrocious.
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    Also, I think we all came to love or like QOS because of it's lush cinematography and escapism feel. Something that was lacking in SP. SF worked because of Deakins top notch cinematography, but the doom and gloom of SP bores me to death. I want the lush colouring of CR and QOS back. And I want to escape into the story because the plot and dialogue are well written, not because Bond goes on a personal rampage again, that has become lacklustre and dormant, a meh approach which now just make my stomach hurt. I believe we all want to feel engaged again and have a character we can and want to identify with. Someone once said they wouldn't want to be Craig's Bond, and that was the difference between his Bond and the others. Well that's a bit true, isn't it? As much as I love DC as Bond, I really want to feel I'd love to be in his shoes. But I digress.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    Regarding standalone films and a continuity and time between releases. Well there are plans, and then reality kicks in.

    The original schedule for Quantum of Solace was to be released May 2008, just 18 months after Casino Royale. Even with the writers strike they did very well to get it out Fall that year. I've always liked it.

    On the other hand I don't see the observed connected-ness of the Craig films as extending production timelines. (And for Skyfall, there wasn't an outright connection to the previous two at the time.) So 4 years until Skyfall, 3 years to Spectre, and now almost 5 till No Time To Die. There's some history to it all.

    So to me it's more outside forces at work, whatever the original intent of the filmmakers is. I also want to observe Brother-gate isn't such a big deal to each and every Bond fan. I could take it or leave as a concept. It exists as canon at this point, and doesn't register on the scale for me as a problem with Spectre. Another Bond film I've also liked from the start.

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