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I think you will be surprised that this so called younger group won't like it either I've talked to alot of people my age and they think it's a joke so good luck to them I guess. Yeah regressive that's coming via the press which EON are now buying into which is false and they have always been fine when it comes to being relevant I'm disappointed she isn't 009 I think that would have been great we would now find out who that was. So now we are admitting the 007 logo doesn't mean a thing and doesn't matter and Bond is now a passe joke.
;) thanks
Roger Moore's Bond was a 00 agent and was definitely over 45. So was Connery and so on. @matt_u
Yeah I know man but perhaps this self contained Craig era is more in line with what Fleming wrote from this standpoint.
Yes, please. That and the "you/him" debacle.
+1
This is relatively new to the Bond cannon. There are tonal shifts in the films when new actors play Bond, and different continuation authors put Bond in new adventures, but the Craig era has been quite experimental comparatively. Given Bond’s longevity, why can’t the producers play around with the formula? I love the Bond films made between ‘62 and ‘02 but Craig has given the series a license to experiment and play around with audience’s expectations.
I think Spectre suffered not from a bad premise but not selling that premise in its narrative structure. Bond and Blofeld have a personal history. Okay. Let’s have a dual lead movie or a movie told from Blofeld’s perspective. Make Blofeld the protagonist (not the hero) in a movie and Bond his antagonist (not the villain). Fleming similarly toyed with perspective in FRWL and TSWLM. There are rumors that Marvel wants to reintroduce the FF4 through a movie starring Doctor Doom.
I think there’s a way forward that can buck expectations and try new things without being the antithesis of what Bond is.
@matt_u then Craig's Bond isn't in the official series and these are unofficial productions like never say never again and that horrible casino Royale spoof.
Look I am the first Bond fan inhere quite worried about all this concept and the reason is very simple: without having seen the film, I just can't see Nomi as a genuine character. Her being a Bond's replacement at MI6, a new 007, is an idea that just feels like throwing a bone to all the narrative that surrounds Bond being black, a woman or whatever. Forced. Unnatural. Heresy, perhaps. But, looking at all this development from a different angle, this historical turn of events that literally "changes everything" is in line with what Bond movies always did in the past: following trends. We wouldn't had MR without Star Wars, just like CR would've never happened without Jason Bourne, etc etc. Plus, the dramatic/comedic potential of this kind of change of paradigm is undeniable, on paper. So like you say, better wait for April.
Why? Craig era is clearly a self contained era from a narrative standpoint but this doesn't mean is "unofficial".
That’s a stretch. NSNA and CR ‘67 weren’t made by the people that owned and innovated that majority of Bond. That’s why they weren’t official. By your logic, Bond films made after Harry Saltzman left the series were unofficial productions.
I think people are making this much more complicated than it is by talking past the point. The Craig films are a reboot of the Bond films with a self contained arc. That’s it.
Yep.
Sure, Bond movies chase trends. That’s how this sort of thing survives. Batman does it. Marvel does it. But Bond is also a trend setter too. The Bond formula and imagery are used and referenced just as much as Bond uses and references other pop culture—setting trends and following them.
Totally fair and understandable.
That’s the nature of the beast. Creatives do creative things that work and don’t work. There are right and wrong reason to like or not like something. Especially, if you don’t engage with something on its own terms. You could hate the Craig for what it chooses not to do or judge it on what it does do.
EON which is owned by Cubby owns the series which is kept by the Broccolis so it does make sense all 24 are official any that have the trade mark are apart of the series I just was making a point that the Craig era is apart of the series. @matt_u @Burgess
Exactly. So the assertion that Craig existing in his own “pocket” universe means that his films are as unofficial as NSNA is silly.
@Burgess I don't think that I'm saying then @matt_u thinks that because that's what it be like. So Roger Moore isn't an official Bond it's all silly talk everything from 62 to now is official everything from now to then applies including Fleming rights. Except the Spectre rights of course.
Well, obviously, yes. Craig era being the first truly self contained overall arc within the series from both a narrative and dramatic standpoint doesn't make it apocryphal.
The context for my statement is explained a little further into the post which is that not liking something for something it was never trying to do or liking something for a reason that may the antithesis of what it is are right and wrong reasons.
Sort of like the lead character in A Clockwork Orange liking the Bible because it features sex and violence. He’s taken that as the book’s primary point or most exciting feature.
Just making sure ;)
Yeah doesn't mean the same thing can't apply to all eras.
@Birdleson said it best with his one post this whole thing just seems agenda pushing to an unnecessary level. Maybe EON will interview random fans who feel empowered coming out of the premiere.
It’s interesting that casting a black actress as the new “007” is seen as agenda pushing rather than just as hiring someone they thought right for the acting role.
Well, yes, exactly.
Fair but it wouldn’t be framed as pushing an agenda.
Its interesting how you don't see this.