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  • battleshipgreygtbattleshipgreygt
    Posts: 1,220
    I’m also 100% on-board with what seems to be a grittier, more human portrayal of Bond in NTTD. I think CR and Skyfall (in different ways) got it just right, and imo, SP’s biggest pitfall was bailing on what Craig excels in for the sake of nostalgia, and weirdly enough sort of undermining a lot of the thematic and symbolic significance of Spectre. I understand Mendez didn’t want to make the same kind of movie twice, but what we ended up getting felt to me like Brosnan Bond with highbrow production value.

    I think Cary completely understands what makes Craig’s Bond work while balancing that with the scale and scope of “classic” cinematic Bond.
  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
    Posts: 3,126
    To me they want to create avengers end game which isn't Bond at all they don't use Bond music in the Bts its end game music. And they already stepped one foot into the Marvel universe with Spectre and now they are jumping in and turning Bond into Marvel superheroes with heavy politics personal crap interconnected crap and the franchise hero dying. Its copy and paste lazy story stuff to put out something they seem to not care about anymore Barbara is more enthusiastic about making the rhythm section and other non Bond films she is turning into harry saltzman and she doesn't even care to talk about Bond she likes to talk more about the Bond girls because they are more interesting in basically every interview. Other then the action this will be similar to Skyfall bloated and overrated but with no box office legs part of it to blame on the cronovirus. Unfortunately selling the series would be worse so it's a lose lose I guess maybe they will change their minds but this is like beating a dead horse and it will eventually fall apart if they don't realize it creatively speaking.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    Posts: 8,217
    Bond is not going to die. At least not literally. I know the story, so I'm going to share it with you all here. He decides to live the rest of his life as a woman, free of the shackles of the patriarchy. I have screen grabs to prove it.
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    edited February 2020 Posts: 5,970
    @007Blofeld What are you doing? Stop.
  • FredJB007FredJB007
    Posts: 49
    Stop being so negative. Give us all a break.
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    Posts: 5,970
    FredJB007 wrote: »
    Stop being so negative. Give us all a break.
    What did you think of the behind the scenes footage @FredJB007?
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    Posts: 8,217
    AgentJamesBond007 wrote: »
    I never thought I’d ever say this but I’d rather deal with Panchito..

    Thankfully, the overwhelming mood today has been positive. It's great.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
    Posts: 8,188
    Personally I miss @CASINOROYALE and his Risico fanfic youtube project.
  • FredJB007FredJB007
    edited February 2020 Posts: 49
    Denbigh wrote: »
    FredJB007 wrote: »
    Stop being so negative. Give us all a break.
    What did you think of the behind the scenes footage @FredJB007?

    I thought the footage was great. I loved what Cary F said. He “gets” 007. Looking forward to the film!
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
    edited February 2020 Posts: 7,551
    MakeshiftPython wrote: »
    Personally I miss @CASINOROYALE and his Risico fanfic youtube project.

    I don't miss his habit of calling people retards. Eh who cares.

    EDIT: Cineplex (Vancouver) is now reporting 2h43m runtime.
  • w2bondw2bond is indeed a very rare breed
    Posts: 2,252
    If Cary 'gets' Bond like Young and Campbell, then I'll be happy
  • GetafixGetafix
    Posts: 11,425
    battleshipgreygt wrote: »
    I’m also 100% on-board with what seems to be a grittier, more human portrayal of Bond in NTTD. I think CR and Skyfall (in different ways) got it just right, and imo, SP’s biggest pitfall was bailing on what Craig excels in for the sake of nostalgia, and weirdly enough sort of undermining a lot of the thematic and symbolic significance of Spectre. I understand Mendez didn’t want to make the same kind of movie twice, but what we ended up getting felt to me like Brosnan Bond with highbrow production value.

    I think Cary completely understands what makes Craig’s Bond work while balancing that with the scale and scope of “classic” cinematic Bond.

    SF felt very Brosnan esque to me. A real step back in time. Hoping Cary captures the energy of Craig's first 2. Looks like that's his plan.
  • BonSimonLeBon_1BonSimonLeBon_1
    Posts: 2,436
    Getafix wrote: »
    battleshipgreygt wrote: »
    I’m also 100% on-board with what seems to be a grittier, more human portrayal of Bond in NTTD. I think CR and Skyfall (in different ways) got it just right, and imo, SP’s biggest pitfall was bailing on what Craig excels in for the sake of nostalgia, and weirdly enough sort of undermining a lot of the thematic and symbolic significance of Spectre. I understand Mendez didn’t want to make the same kind of movie twice, but what we ended up getting felt to me like Brosnan Bond with highbrow production value.

    I think Cary completely understands what makes Craig’s Bond work while balancing that with the scale and scope of “classic” cinematic Bond.

    SF felt very Brosnan esque to me. A real step back in time. Hoping Cary captures the energy of Craig's first 2. Looks like that's his plan.

    It was a bit of a TWINE/GE mashup remake, with a bit of Home Alone thrown in.
  • GetafixGetafix
    edited February 2020 Posts: 11,425
    BonSimonLeBon_1 wrote: »
    Getafix wrote: »
    battleshipgreygt wrote: »
    I’m also 100% on-board with what seems to be a grittier, more human portrayal of Bond in NTTD. I think CR and Skyfall (in different ways) got it just right, and imo, SP’s biggest pitfall was bailing on what Craig excels in for the sake of nostalgia, and weirdly enough sort of undermining a lot of the thematic and symbolic significance of Spectre. I understand Mendez didn’t want to make the same kind of movie twice, but what we ended up getting felt to me like Brosnan Bond with highbrow production value.

    I think Cary completely understands what makes Craig’s Bond work while balancing that with the scale and scope of “classic” cinematic Bond.

    SF felt very Brosnan esque to me. A real step back in time. Hoping Cary captures the energy of Craig's first 2. Looks like that's his plan.

    It was a bit of a TWINE/GE mashup remake, with a bit of Home Alone thrown in.

    Yes I felt the long shadow of TWINE hanging over SF in particular. Not a good thing in my book. It's also the tone that Mendes adopted which felt much closer to the nostalgia laden Brosnan era than the fresh and punchy CR and QOS.

    It also has lots of TMWTGG obviously which helps redeem the first half of the film at least.

    On balance SF is better than any of the Brosnan films but not that much better.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
    Posts: 8,188
    TWINE wishes it was as good as SF, like a great many other Bond films.
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
    Posts: 4,043
    MakeshiftPython wrote: »
    TWINE wishes it was as good as SF, like a great many other Bond films.

    Leave him mate he's been on a mission.
    He spots bad will towards Skyfall, zeroes in on it, it's like blood to shark.

    He can't help himself.
  • GetafixGetafix
    Posts: 11,425
    Shardlake wrote: »
    MakeshiftPython wrote: »
    TWINE wishes it was as good as SF, like a great many other Bond films.

    Leave him mate he's been on a mission.
    He spots bad will towards Skyfall, zeroes in on it, it's like blood to shark.

    He can't help himself.

    A case of pot kettle black I think, since every post I make about SF is followed as sure as night follows day by another by you telling me how obsessed I am.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
    Posts: 8,188
    You’re also pretty obsessive with your Brosnan bashing, let’s be brutally honest.
  • GetafixGetafix
    edited February 2020 Posts: 11,425
    MakeshiftPython wrote: »
    You’re also pretty obsessive with your Brosnan bashing, let’s be brutally honest.

    I don't think I bash Brozza. I am actually very positive about him and his career outside of Bond. I like him and have enjoyed several of his films. By the same token while I think Dalton was an excellent Bond the man himself seems rather odd and his non Bond work is often pretty iffy IMO.

    If that's obsessive then so be it.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
    Posts: 8,188
    I was obviously referring to his Bond run, and you know that.
  • GetafixGetafix
    Posts: 11,425
    MakeshiftPython wrote: »
    I was obviously referring to his Bond run, and you know that.

    Well since you insist on bringing it up, it was pretty dire. I seem to be one of the few who thought so at the time. Although now pretty much everyone seems to agree with me so I don't feel the need to point it out so much.
  • HildebrandRarityHildebrandRarity Centre international d'assistance aux personnes déplacées, Paris, France
    Posts: 482
    FatherValentine wrote: »

    Bond has taken 4 films to get over Vesper, when Fleming had him moving on immediately. That, to me, is a step too far.

    The film version of Vesper is a composite of Vesper and Tracy from the books (especially regarding the way their death affects Bond) the same way screen Moneypenny is a mix from Loelia Ponsonby and book Moneypenny.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 16,415
    DeerAtTheGates wrote: »
    Shardlake wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    I’m not sure I can think of an action or adventure movie I’ve seen in the last ten to twenty years where the main character didn’t have a personal or emotional engagement with the plot. I’m not sure why anyone wouldn’t want that, really: it heightens the drama.

    As much as some want it, I'm not really sure you'll see Bond totally retreat from that idea. I think they'll pull back on how it has been very personal and emotional in this era.

    Although I just don't think on Barbara's watch you are going to see the character played like it was in her Father's era.

    Love it or like it, this is kind of her trademark, so whoever gets the job I don't see them playing it as flippant as Connery or Moore played it.

    The intensity and emotion while unlikely will hit the levels of the Craig era, won't entirely be gone.

    Those expecting such a thing are setting themselves up for extreme disappointment.

    Bond just doesn't live in that kind of a world anymore. I imagine the next era will add another new element but Bond just being someone who goes on a mission and doesn't get drawn into it emotionally forget that, this is here to stay.

    I agree that it’s a Barbara-thing, when you look at her other produced films, an emotional character journey is important.

    But in my opinion, it’s also just a thing in modern film making. Almost all current franchise films try to give their characters a character arc and an emotional weight. While Bond doesn’t have an arc in the original films, he does now. And I think that that is what the general public wants, in this era of filmmaking.

    Star Wars was already very personal, Mission: Impossible got very personal for Ethan in film 3 and in film 6, Spielberg wants to make Indiana Jones 5 more personal than ever and give him more backstory, Top Gun Maverick is about Goose’s son, Batman got personal and emotional from Batman Begins onwards (and is likely to stay that way with The Batman), the MCU moved away from save-the-world stories to a gut wrenching finale with emotions…

    It’s only normal that Bond jumps on that train as well. And maybe this will change when the public loses their appetite for personal drama. But currently, it’s a phase in cinema.

    It’s not really a phase: it’s how films are, and it’s just taken a while for action and Bond to catch up. Look at Python’s post for a list of the top action films ever made and how they all have a personal angle (And on the Indy films he actually misses Indy’s past history with the Ravenwoods and his ‘fortune and glory’ arc in the next one). And what is the film often regarded the best by Bond fans? The one where he falls in love and gets married. What’s the Fleming plot they’re often asking to see? The one where he loses his memory, gets married, gets brainwashed, tries to kill his own father figure etc. Personal stakes are actually what we like! :)
  • QsCatQsCat London
    Posts: 253
    Getafix wrote: »
    MakeshiftPython wrote: »
    You’re also pretty obsessive with your Brosnan bashing, let’s be brutally honest.

    I don't think I bash Brozza. I am actually very positive about him and his career outside of Bond. I like him and have enjoyed several of his films. By the same token while I think Dalton was an excellent Bond the man himself seems rather odd and his non Bond work is often pretty iffy IMO.

    If that's obsessive then so be it.

    In what way is Dalton an odd man?
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
    Posts: 8,188
    I’m pretty much at a point where I no longer bother complain about Bond’s mission getting personal because it’s become the status quo for Bond since Dalton, which is over 30 years by this point. It would be like complaining about how Bond no longer wears a fedora in the gun barrel after all these years.
  • antovolkantovolk
    Posts: 3,164
    Looks like 163 minutes is indeed our runtime. Been popping up on multiple international distribution sources and cinema websites in the last couple days and now it's also on Regal - https://www.regmovies.com/movies/no-time-to-die/ho00009902#/
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 16,415
    MakeshiftPython wrote: »
    I’m pretty much at a point where I no longer bother complain about Bond’s mission getting personal because it’s become the status quo for Bond since Dalton, which is over 30 years by this point. It would be like complaining about how Bond no longer wears a fedora in the gun barrel after all these years.

    Pretty sure he was always a trilby man ;)
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    Posts: 8,217
    Getafix wrote: »
    MakeshiftPython wrote: »
    I was obviously referring to his Bond run, and you know that.

    Well since you insist on bringing it up, it was pretty dire. I seem to be one of the few who thought so at the time.
    *Although now pretty much everyone seems to agree with me so **I don't feel the need to point it out so much.

    * Not really.
    ** You must be joking, right?

    ;)
  • Pierce2DanielPierce2Daniel
    edited February 2020 Posts: 4,409
    I think BB’s statement in the ‘Scoops with Raya’ video and CJF saying quite definitively that this is Daniel’s ‘last chapter’ as Bond, alongside Craig himself saying he had a very ‘particular way to end is story’, all suggests one thing…..
    Bond will die (or at least have some kind of TDKR style ambiguous death).
    Also there are some cool discussion points to be had from the video…..namely considered below:

    This looks to be an actual screengrab from the film and BTS footage. Can you confirm @antovolk ?

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    This shot is very reminesnt of not just Ken Adam but also Mark Tildesley’s work on High-Rise. Bloody love it!

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    Ana De Armas is the one who deserves a spin-off….if the ‘woke’ movement means more images like this, I’m in.

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    I suspect that Bond does not meet Safin in the tunnel. The tunnel is likely just the set used at Pinewood for camera tests. Note that the make-up for Safin’s scars is less intense here. Clearly this was a more softer look they were experimenting with prior to going in a slightly more extreme direction.

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    This seems like a much more intense chase scene than I initially thought….

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    DC sliding across the hood is sexy af

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    Getting CR vibes of Bond kicking open the door whilst chasing Mollaka

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    Is this Bond?

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    This is the money shot! Also, am I right in thinking this is actually footage and not B-roll? - @antovolk

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  • Last_Rat_StandingLast_Rat_Standing Long Neck Ice Cold Beer Never Broke My Heart
    Posts: 4,589
    antovolk wrote: »
    Looks like 163 minutes is indeed our runtime. Been popping up on multiple international distribution sources and cinema websites in the last couple days and now it's also on Regal - https://www.regmovies.com/movies/no-time-to-die/ho00009902#/

    Looks like I'll have to downgrade my soda from a jumbo to small
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