NTTD Main Titles & Gunbarrel - Designed by Daniel Kleinman (SPOILERS)

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  • edited August 2019 Posts: 1,970
    Daniel Kleinman IMO has never had a bad title sequence. So happy to hear he will be back. Anyone know why he didn't do QOS? Was he just busy or did the producers just wanted to try something new?
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    I thought it was director Marc Forster wanting to use his associates, similar to how Mendes and now Fukunaga brought a composer they've worked with.
  • M_BaljeM_Balje Amsterdam, Netherlands
    edited August 2019 Posts: 4,515
    ''Naked'' Bond presents same thing as statues in CR. The Inside, not what he is wearing.
    What is behind the wall, what is behind the words.

    vzok wrote: »
    Well why not just get everybody naked at some point in No Time To Die. Including the pets and in artwork. Maybe in the PTS, just to get it out of the way ... like a pool party (FYEO) without the swimsuits. Keep the shades and umbrella drinks, that's fine. ;)

    Make it last all night

    What about a party on luxery ship. Half naked man/woman, black white, small and big. With Malek in the middle point. Mabey Anna can be there too. Was inspyred by Miami Vice and earlier pictures of luxery ship.
  • DoctorKaufmannDoctorKaufmann Can shoot you from Stuttgart and still make it look like suicide.
    edited November 2019 Posts: 1,261
    Walecs wrote: »
    Well why not just get everybody naked at some point in No Time To Die. Including the pets and in artwork. Maybe in the PTS, just to get it out of the way ... like a pool party (FYEO) without the swimsuits. Keep the shades and umbrella drinks, that's fine. ;)

    :))

    *offtopic*
    When we did Peter Shaffer's BLACK COMEDY back some years, during rehersal, one actor accidentally touched another actresse's boobs. Our director (American) then decided, that all actors throughout the play should once toch the actress's boobs as a running gag.
    fjdinardo wrote: »
    Daniel Kleinman IMO has never had a bad title sequence. So happy to hear he will be back. Anyone know why he didn't do QOS? Was he just busy or did the producers just wanted to try something new?

    As some people pointed out, Marc Forster brought in MK12.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    I wouldn’t have minded MK12 being brought in instead of Kleinman for QOS if the result was equal or a greater title. It was pretty underwhelming after the fantastic CR title.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    I wasn't a fan of the last two title sequences in the slightest (SF did have a couple of nice moments to it but SP's was beyond awful), so hopefully he can redeem himself, in my opinion, with something a bit more laid back and adventurously simplistic rather than trying to be so heavily symbolic.
  • I'm curious to see how/if the titles will reflect it being Craig's last film. I guess the easy route would be to have callbacks to all his others, but they already did that with SP and I don't think they'd do it again.

    Still holding out hope for YKMN to play over the credits too (although I'd take literally anything over that tired 2006 arrangement of the Bond theme).
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
    edited November 2019 Posts: 8,183
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    I wasn't a fan of the last two title sequences in the slightest (SF did have a couple of nice moments to it but SP's was beyond awful), so hopefully he can redeem himself, in my opinion, with something a bit more laid back and adventurously simplistic rather than trying to be so heavily symbolic.

    He’s always been heavily symbolic from the start. I’ve always appreciated that. It was a strong quality Binder once had in his titles but by the 80s kind of lost that, settling just for the same generic “girls holding guns” imagery with no thematic elements or bearing on the actual story. Still not sure what the hell the camera and film is supposed to evoke in LTK.

    If there’s one thing I didn’t like in Kleinman’s titles it was mostly just having the women do odd interpretive dancing in TND/TWINE/DAD, which just looked dumb to me. He dropped it thankfully.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Perhaps, @MakeshiftPython, but some sequences more so than others (like the aforementioned two, which are heavy on the symbolism). CR is much more straightforward and action packed and inventive looking.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    I thought it was director Marc Forster wanting to use his associates, similar to how Mendes and now Fukunaga brought a composer they've worked with.

    Yeah, didn't MK12 do all of the onscreen graphics for Stranger Than Fiction? I might be misremebering that.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    mtm wrote: »
    I thought it was director Marc Forster wanting to use his associates, similar to how Mendes and now Fukunaga brought a composer they've worked with.

    Yeah, didn't MK12 do all of the onscreen graphics for Stranger Than Fiction? I might be misremebering that.

    Yup, STRANGER THAN FICTION as well as THE KITE RUNNER, so he and MK12 had a collaborative thing going on for a time leading up to Bond. Curiously, they haven’t worked together since QOS.
  • Posts: 16,162
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    I wasn't a fan of the last two title sequences in the slightest (SF did have a couple of nice moments to it but SP's was beyond awful), so hopefully he can redeem himself, in my opinion, with something a bit more laid back and adventurously simplistic rather than trying to be so heavily symbolic.

    The SP titles don't do anything for me at all. The octopus motif is alright, but overdone, IMO. I'll take Binder's latter era titles over SP any day.

    At least AVTAK, with it's neon lights, odd looking toy water pistols and the flaming woman dancing comes off as distinctive.

    To a degree I'm starting to feel like Kleinman's titles are running together. Similar CGI look and colors. GE and CR are the only ones that stand out to me.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    Perhaps, @MakeshiftPython, but some sequences more so than others (like the aforementioned two, which are heavy on the symbolism). CR is much more straightforward and action packed and inventive looking.

    While still being pretty symbolic in its own right, both for the film and espionage as a whole. A great big game where people die.
  • MinionMinion Don't Hassle the Bond
    edited November 2019 Posts: 1,165
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    I wasn't a fan of the last two title sequences in the slightest (SF did have a couple of nice moments to it but SP's was beyond awful), so hopefully he can redeem himself, in my opinion, with something a bit more laid back and adventurously simplistic rather than trying to be so heavily symbolic.
    The SF and SP credits are so similar and unlike previous efforts that I wonder if Sam Mendes had a lot of input on exactly what he wanted from Kleinman for those.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Minion wrote: »
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    I wasn't a fan of the last two title sequences in the slightest (SF did have a couple of nice moments to it but SP's was beyond awful), so hopefully he can redeem himself, in my opinion, with something a bit more laid back and adventurously simplistic rather than trying to be so heavily symbolic.
    The SF and SP credits are so similar and unlike previous efforts that I wonder if Sam Mendes had a lot of input on exactly what he wanted from Kleinman for those.

    That's totally possible, I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case, as he likely did to some degree.
  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
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    although I'd take literally anything over that tired 2006 arrangement of the Bond theme
    +1
  • DeerAtTheGatesDeerAtTheGates Belgium
    edited November 2019 Posts: 524
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    Perhaps, @MakeshiftPython, but some sequences more so than others (like the aforementioned two, which are heavy on the symbolism). CR is much more straightforward and action packed and inventive looking.

    Though CR's titles are simplistic, they also feature some amazing symbolism, but subtle. The playing cards are everywhere, Vesper as the Queen, the backstabbing with a knife, Bond's "007 confirmed" on a field of clubs...

    The difference is that SF's and SP's titles even more so feature explicit scenes of what's to come. CR gives a certain mood (brutal, fresh, new, darker and grittier, this Bond kills but does not escape unscathed) while SP tells us the bloody plot from the titles!

    When it comes to NTTD, I'd like something that leans heavily into the themes of the film, but subtle enough that it's not a recreation of what we're about to see. That's the trick. QOS was too poetic, imo, SF a bit too overt but quite good at a moody setting, CR amazingly fresh and SP was just really bad.

    While we have no real clues about what the central theme of NTTD is going to be, if we look at the title, I'd like some imagery with clocks and hands and numerals (a cheeky 25 in Roman numerals, anyone?), and hourglasses. Basically OHMSS, but without the footage of previous films.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    Posts: 40,968
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    Perhaps, @MakeshiftPython, but some sequences more so than others (like the aforementioned two, which are heavy on the symbolism). CR is much more straightforward and action packed and inventive looking.

    Though CR's titles are simplistic, they also feature some amazing symbolism, but subtle. The playing cards are everywhere, Vesper as the Queen, the backstabbing with a knife, Bond's "007 confirmed" on a field of clubs...

    The difference is that SF's and SP's titles even more so feature explicit scenes of what's to come. CR gives a certain mood (brutal, fresh, new, darker and grittier, this Bond kills but does not escape unscathed) while SP tells us the bloody plot from the titles!

    When it comes to NTTD, I'd like something that leans heavily into the themes of the film, but subtle enough that it's not a recreation of what we're about to see. That's the trick. QOS was too poetic, imo, SF a bit too overt but quite good at a moody setting, CR amazingly fresh and SP was just really bad.

    While we have no real clues about what the central theme of NTTD is going to be, if we look at the title, I'd like some imagery with clocks and hands and numerals (a cheeky 25 in Roman numerals, anyone?), and hourglasses. Basically OHMSS, but without the footage of previous films.

    True, that's more well put than I could've done. SP (and SF) are way too in your face about what's going to come and are most certainly spoiler-filled in their own right.
  • Posts: 1,970
    Has Daniel Kleinman done any other title sequences recently for non Bond films?
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    He doesn't do titles for other films. This seems to be all he's done between SP and NTTD.


  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited November 2019 Posts: 16,378
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    I wasn't a fan of the last two title sequences in the slightest (SF did have a couple of nice moments to it but SP's was beyond awful), so hopefully he can redeem himself, in my opinion, with something a bit more laid back and adventurously simplistic rather than trying to be so heavily symbolic.

    The SP titles don't do anything for me at all. The octopus motif is alright, but overdone, IMO. I'll take Binder's latter era titles over SP any day.

    Seriously? Have you seen LTK’s titles where he runs out of ideas completely and has to go with putting some chips on a casino table so they look like ‘007’? :D

    Funny because Kleinman directed the music video for Licence To Kill and managed to make it look Bondier and better than the actual title sequence! :)
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited November 2019 Posts: 16,378
    He doesn't do titles for other films. This seems to be all he's done between SP and NTTD.



    Yeah Danny Kleinman’s ‘day job’ is being the one of the most well-respected ad directors in the business. He’s one of the biggest names.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    My understanding is that Cubby gave Binder a last chance with LTK after being disappointed with the TLD titles. Disappointed again, Cubby decided to let go of him for good, though Binder would pass away very shortly after that. Coincidentally, Maibaum died the same year.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited November 2019 Posts: 16,378
    My understanding is that Cubby gave Binder a last chance with LTK after being disappointed with the TLD titles. Disappointed again, Cubby decided to let go of him for good, though Binder would pass away very shortly after that. Coincidentally, Maibaum died the same year.

    Yeah the Daylights ones are weak (a lady in a big Martini glass?!) and then the LTK ones are even worse. If Cubby was going to ditch him I wouldn't be surprised.

    Compare to the amount of classy ideas in the Skyfall titles alone (and I think if anything they actually have slightly too many ideas: loads of things are happening and then we get flying Chinese dragons!) it's clear Binder wasn't firing on all cylinders for a few years there.
  • Posts: 1,970
    My understanding is that Cubby gave Binder a last chance with LTK after being disappointed with the TLD titles. Disappointed again, Cubby decided to let go of him for good, though Binder would pass away very shortly after that. Coincidentally, Maibaum died the same year.

    You can tell Binder lost his touch once TLD came around. AVTAK titles were amazing. I won't blame Binder that much for TLD & LTK titles since he was probability ill when making them.
  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
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    Still not sure what the hell the camera and film is supposed to evoke in LTK.

    Same, it sets the mood for a teenager movie rather than a Bond film :)) I like the title song, though, so that makes me enjoy the titles despite the clumsy imagery.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Yeah the camera theme is an odd one. Did he get that from the signature gun? Or was he just looking around his studio trying to find some kind of visual hook?
  • Am I the only one still confused as to why they kept referencing tentacles in the SP titles? SPECTRE is a ghost, not an Octopus!

    Thank you!
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Nah that's an octopus- it even has eight tentacles. I've no idea why it's an octopus, but it is! :)
  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
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    mtm wrote: »
    Nah that's an octopus- it even has eight tentacles. I've no idea why it's an octopus, but it is! :)

    @CraigMooreOHMSS explained it:
    the logo of the SPECTRE organisation has been an octopus (or a variation thereof) since Thunderball, symbolising their reach
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