NTTD Main Titles & Gunbarrel - Designed by Daniel Kleinman (SPOILERS)

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  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
    edited October 2021 Posts: 10,591
    The new gunbarrel design is my favourite iteration since the Brosnan one. I do miss the blood. As for the titles - the Dr. No dots are fantastic and it has many unique elements. Not his best obviously but a strong effort from Kleinman. I think there’s a correlation between the innovation of his title sequences with whether or not he knows what song is going along side it once he starts these things, as well as the amount of time he has to work on it.
  • MinionMinion Don't Hassle the Bond
    edited October 2021 Posts: 1,165
    antovolk wrote: »
    I saw a leaked version of the US logo and it had the original lion instead of the CGI one! Did the UK release have a CGI lion?

    This film was produced and meant to be released long before MGM changed their logo. So I guess earlier versions of the film carry the 2012 logo instead of the 2021 logo?

    UK release had the CGI lion. The *actual* US release next week should also be the CGI lion but yes, some countries have 2020 versions of the film with the 2012 logo (due to dubbing and other localisation which was done last year - I bet 3D versions will also have the older logo across the board) - that applies for both markets where it's Universal (with the logo turning into the big white dot) and third party distributors (where it's just MGM going to black)

    Well, that should dispel the gossip about the villain’s weapon being changed via ADR post-delay to not mirror COVID too closely.
  • The main thing I loved about this title sequence was the bright colourful background, we haven't had those since CR, and they've been sorely missed IMO.

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    The main thing I loved about this title sequence was the bright colourful background, we haven't had those since CR, and they've been sorely missed IMO.

    Sky ran a special on the Daniel Craig era leading up to NTTD and it featured this brilliant animation that paid homage to each of the four Craig title sequences to that point, it essentially carried through their mockup of the Casino Royale sequence into the ones for QoS and SF (the SP homage was too short to really make a judgment) and it stunned me how markedly more vibrant and honestly better the QoS sequence would have been if it were done that way.
  • ProfJoeButcherProfJoeButcher Bless your heart
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    It was always weird seeing Brosnan’s in DAD because he no longer had that poofy haircut of his by that point.

    Not unlike how Roger kept his poofy trousers in the PTS even after he'd stopped wearing them...!

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    Well now I want to see the US one. The international one is easly findable on YT, but does somebody has a link to the USA version?
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    The main thing I loved about this title sequence was the bright colourful background, we haven't had those since CR, and they've been sorely missed IMO.

    That was a nice surprise to me too! I thought we would have got more of the same dark gothic titles of SF/SP.
  • RyanRyan Canada
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    I mentioned previously that, while I can't speak for all of Canada, I got the Universal gun barrel in Ontario so perhaps which prints went to a given theatre is slightly inconsistent.
  • edited October 2021 Posts: 3,164
    Ryan wrote: »
    I mentioned previously that, while I can't speak for all of Canada, I got the Universal gun barrel in Ontario so perhaps which prints went to a given theatre is slightly inconsistent.

    Universal is actually the distributor of the film in Canada so they'd have that version with boths logos. MGM/UA is specifically US-only (and other markets where Universal isn't involved with the release, like the Nordics or Middle East, also have the MGM-only version)
  • RyanRyan Canada
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    antovolk wrote: »
    Ryan wrote: »
    I mentioned previously that, while I can't speak for all of Canada, I got the Universal gun barrel in Ontario so perhaps which prints went to a given theatre is slightly inconsistent.

    Universal is actually the distributor of the film in Canada so they'd have that version with boths logos. MGM/UA is specifically US-only (and other markets where Universal isn't involved with the release, like the Nordics or Middle East, also have the MGM-only version)

    Makes sense. Thanks for clarifying! I just assumed we were lumped in with the US for the market distribution.

    Universal is handling all home media releases, correct? It'd be interesting that the MGM/UA gun barrel could therefore end up being omitted from the Blu-ray/UHD market.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    Ryan wrote: »
    antovolk wrote: »
    Ryan wrote: »
    I mentioned previously that, while I can't speak for all of Canada, I got the Universal gun barrel in Ontario so perhaps which prints went to a given theatre is slightly inconsistent.

    Universal is actually the distributor of the film in Canada so they'd have that version with boths logos. MGM/UA is specifically US-only (and other markets where Universal isn't involved with the release, like the Nordics or Middle East, also have the MGM-only version)

    Makes sense. Thanks for clarifying! I just assumed we were lumped in with the US for the market distribution.

    Universal is handling all home media releases, correct? It'd be interesting that the MGM/UA gun barrel could therefore end up being omitted from the Blu-ray/UHD market.

    So did I! Spent a while looking for the international intro on YouTube, kept getting frustrated that I was only getting the Canadian one lol
    I’d like to see the US one
  • AgentJamesBond007AgentJamesBond007 Vesper’s grave
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    Ryan wrote: »
    antovolk wrote: »
    Ryan wrote: »
    I mentioned previously that, while I can't speak for all of Canada, I got the Universal gun barrel in Ontario so perhaps which prints went to a given theatre is slightly inconsistent.

    Universal is actually the distributor of the film in Canada so they'd have that version with boths logos. MGM/UA is specifically US-only (and other markets where Universal isn't involved with the release, like the Nordics or Middle East, also have the MGM-only version)

    Makes sense. Thanks for clarifying! I just assumed we were lumped in with the US for the market distribution.

    Universal is handling all home media releases, correct? It'd be interesting that the MGM/UA gun barrel could therefore end up being omitted from the Blu-ray/UHD market.

    So did I! Spent a while looking for the international intro on YouTube, kept getting frustrated that I was only getting the Canadian one lol
    I’d like to see the US one

    I downloaded the version with just the MGM logo when I did my “fix”, let me find it and upload.
  • RyanRyan Canada
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    Ryan wrote: »
    antovolk wrote: »
    Ryan wrote: »
    I mentioned previously that, while I can't speak for all of Canada, I got the Universal gun barrel in Ontario so perhaps which prints went to a given theatre is slightly inconsistent.

    Universal is actually the distributor of the film in Canada so they'd have that version with boths logos. MGM/UA is specifically US-only (and other markets where Universal isn't involved with the release, like the Nordics or Middle East, also have the MGM-only version)

    Makes sense. Thanks for clarifying! I just assumed we were lumped in with the US for the market distribution.

    Universal is handling all home media releases, correct? It'd be interesting that the MGM/UA gun barrel could therefore end up being omitted from the Blu-ray/UHD market.

    So did I! Spent a while looking for the international intro on YouTube, kept getting frustrated that I was only getting the Canadian one lol
    I’d like to see the US one

    Me too. Managed to find a lot of nice crowd reactions but all to the Universal one.
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    Ryan wrote: »
    antovolk wrote: »
    Ryan wrote: »
    I mentioned previously that, while I can't speak for all of Canada, I got the Universal gun barrel in Ontario so perhaps which prints went to a given theatre is slightly inconsistent.

    Universal is actually the distributor of the film in Canada so they'd have that version with boths logos. MGM/UA is specifically US-only (and other markets where Universal isn't involved with the release, like the Nordics or Middle East, also have the MGM-only version)

    Makes sense. Thanks for clarifying! I just assumed we were lumped in with the US for the market distribution.

    Universal is handling all home media releases, correct? It'd be interesting that the MGM/UA gun barrel could therefore end up being omitted from the Blu-ray/UHD market.

    Physical, yes, while MGM retains global digital rights. So might be possible the only home release versions with the MGM-only gunbarrel are the US digital (iTunes etc) drops.
  • edited October 2021 Posts: 311
    jake24 wrote: »
    The new gunbarrel design is my favourite iteration since the Brosnan one. I do miss the blood. As for the titles - the Dr. No dots are fantastic and it has many unique elements. Not his best obviously but a strong effort from Kleinman. I think there’s a correlation between the innovation of his title sequences with whether or not he knows what song is going along side it once he starts these things, as well as the amount of time he has to work on it.

    I also like those Dr. No dots in NTTD title sequence. It's nice and unexpected sweet moment of 007 early history.
  • RyanRyan Canada
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    Librarian wrote: »
    jake24 wrote: »
    The new gunbarrel design is my favourite iteration since the Brosnan one. I do miss the blood. As for the titles - the Dr. No dots are fantastic and it has many unique elements. Not his best obviously but a strong effort from Kleinman. I think there’s a correlation between the innovation of his title sequences with whether or not he knows what song is going along side it once he starts these things, as well as the amount of time he has to work on it.

    I also like those Dr. No dots in NTTD title sequence. It's nice and unexpected sweet moment of 007 early history.

    Admittedly on my first viewing the dots gave me a slight worry that the Safin/Dr. No nonsense was going to be true. Fortunately, I was proven incorrect!
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Oh wow, I'd completely forgotten about the Dr No rumour thing! :D
  • mtm wrote: »
    Oh wow, I'd completely forgotten about the Dr No rumour thing! :D

    There are some details in this that makes me think there were originally more overt references to the character, like Safin surviving a bullet to the left side of the chest. Dextrocardia anyone?
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    I wasn't crazy about the gun barrel, to me it needs some kind of "blood draining" element at the end. Don't know why it's been so hard for them to get Craig's right aside from CR which is the best one ever but you can only do one like that once.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
    Posts: 7,546
    Librarian wrote: »
    jake24 wrote: »
    The new gunbarrel design is my favourite iteration since the Brosnan one. I do miss the blood. As for the titles - the Dr. No dots are fantastic and it has many unique elements. Not his best obviously but a strong effort from Kleinman. I think there’s a correlation between the innovation of his title sequences with whether or not he knows what song is going along side it once he starts these things, as well as the amount of time he has to work on it.

    I also like those Dr. No dots in NTTD title sequence. It's nice and unexpected sweet moment of 007 early history.

    I really loved that as well. And I agree with you about CR’s gunbarrel @CountJohn (although I also liked Spectre’s gunbarrel).
  • RyanRyan Canada
    Posts: 692
    mtm wrote: »
    Oh wow, I'd completely forgotten about the Dr No rumour thing! :D

    There are some details in this that makes me think there were originally more overt references to the character, like Safin surviving a bullet to the left side of the chest. Dextrocardia anyone?
    I wonder if that was indeed an intentional reference/trait of the novel Dr. No, or if it was simply a coincidence by the prop/costume department.
  • CountJohn wrote: »
    I wasn't crazy about the gun barrel, to me it needs some kind of "blood draining" element at the end. Don't know why it's been so hard for them to get Craig's right aside from CR which is the best one ever but you can only do one like that once.

    That may have been part of the problem. Ever since Casino Royale received the success it did by shaking things up and eschewing tradition, they've chased that same success by continuing to forgo tradition. The gun barrel is one element that already achieved perfection 59 years ago by virtue of its simplicity.

    Apart from the accompanying music, the gun barrel changed very little over the course of the first 20 films, apart from when Lazenby dropped to a knee. The CGI bullet in DAD seems like it was probably more of an afterthought ("wouldn't it be cool if we...?") as opposed to the result of a serious sit-down concerning how they could differentiate this gun barrel from all the others. Which it seems is what the gun barrel has become now.

    CR's gun barrel was indeed a very fun way to shake things up. It worked beautifully. QOS putting its gun barrel at the end was unnecessary but fine. The film was unusual anyways in that it was a direct sequel and a wrapping up of the events of CR. It was a fun and unexpected bit of experimentation in a film that was already experimenting successfully (in my book) in so many ways.

    Then SF put the gun barrel at the end again. Huh? Why? Then SP put it in the right place but with a weird color filter and Craig swinging his gun wildly as he walked and the iris failed to open on the first scene. This was the closest Craig got to a normal gun barrel, but it was still very far off the mark of tradition. Then NTTD forewent the blood for the sake of symbolism.

    It's all become a bit much at this point. Like deciding after so many years that the Mona Lisa could use a little something else to draw the crowds, so maybe we'll dash some glitter on her this month or give her sunglasses next month or something else the month after that to try to make it "better." If you really want to pleasantly surprise the fans, just give us a normal gun barrel again.
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    Is this the USA version?



  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    I prefer it without Universal logo, I must admit.
    I still really like it though. Stripped back to its simplest elements, it really works.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    vzok wrote: »
    Is this the USA version?



    Yup. That’s the one.
  • DCisaredDCisared Liverpool
    edited October 2021 Posts: 1,329
    I love the bond in the tunnel one that was at the end of loads of the trailers that some thought wouldn't be in the film.

    Love the V8 driving into the tunnel and don't miss the blood from the beginning one as much as I thought I would if I'd of thought about it before hand.

    Are there just the THREE in the film?
  • Posts: 1,970
    vzok wrote: »
    Is this the USA version?



    Yes!! Thats the one I saw at the theater.
  • I thought it was a cool gun barrel overall but it definitely felt off without the blood. I prefer Casino Royale’s and Spectre’s.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    I actually dig the one we got with the universal logo.
  • RyanRyan Canada
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    Someone suggested in one of the review threads that it is actually Bond getting shot this time around and that's why there's no blood. That's a fun thought. I already figured the white fade was symbolic (as well as practical as we fade to the snow), but I hadn't considered that other possibility.
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