007 heading to streaming? Amazon buys MGM for $8.45 billion!

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  • edited June 2021 Posts: 1,394
    Denbigh wrote: »
    I personally never considered Le Chiffre to be gay.

    Also, considering Silva, as much as I love Skyfall and I really do, if given more time with him, it would've been nice to have seen more of Silva's flamboyance. I do like the subtlety, like in the way he talks and dresses (especially his first outfit), but I would've loved a bit more.

    It never once crossed my mind that le Chiffre was gay.He had an extremely hot girlfriend!

    I think some may misinterpret the '' Wow.You really looked after your body '' line.Just because you complement a guy on his physique doesnt make you gay!

    As for the Amazon deal,mark my words they will want to milk the Bond franchise dry.They paid over 8 BILLION dollars and will want a return on their investment.That means Bond universe streaming shows,games (etc).They will not be satisfied with the long gaps between films that the Craig era has gone through.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    AstonLotus wrote: »
    Denbigh wrote: »
    I personally never considered Le Chiffre to be gay.

    Also, considering Silva, as much as I love Skyfall and I really do, if given more time with him, it would've been nice to have seen more of Silva's flamboyance. I do like the subtlety, like in the way he talks and dresses (especially his first outfit), but I would've loved a bit more.

    It never once crossed my mind that le Chiffre was gay.He had an extremely hot girlfriend!

    Who he seems to have very little interest in, even when her arm is about to be chopped off!

    Quite a contrast to the Le Chiffre of the book, who was actually spent SMERSH funds on brothels/prostitution because of his sex addiction.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited June 2021 Posts: 16,383
    QBranch wrote: »
    I thought it was documented somewhere that Elvis was Greene's nephew.

    Correction: just read this on James Bond wiki:
    On creating a background for the character, both actors Mathieu Amalric and Anatole Taubman came up with the backstory of Elvis being Greene's cousin who was rescued from the streets by Greene himself, making him his right-hand man and bodyguard

    Okay, thanks for that: I’ve not heard that before but that really helps to explain their relationship. Elvis is a useless family member that Greene is trying to help and Elvis is trying to please him - that works. Shame it’s not in the film! :)
    AstonLotus wrote: »
    Denbigh wrote: »
    I personally never considered Le Chiffre to be gay.

    Also, considering Silva, as much as I love Skyfall and I really do, if given more time with him, it would've been nice to have seen more of Silva's flamboyance. I do like the subtlety, like in the way he talks and dresses (especially his first outfit), but I would've loved a bit more.

    It never once crossed my mind that le Chiffre was gay.He had an extremely hot girlfriend!

    Who he seems to have very little interest in, even when her arm is about to be chopped off!

    Quite a contrast to the Le Chiffre of the book, who was actually spent SMERSH funds on brothels/prostitution because of his sex addiction.

    Yes, I’d be amazed if it wasn’t something they’d decided to play up a bit, and it certainly comes across on screen. I mean, he does seem to have decided that Bond needs to be naked for this for some reason...
    He’s also the only guy on that table who doesn’t give Vesper a second glance when she arrives in that dress.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
    edited June 2021 Posts: 18,270
    mtm wrote: »
    Denbigh wrote: »
    The only other villain, in the Craig-era, at least, I thought might have been gay was Elvis. And with Silva, it was seemingly more bisexual, as he'd obviously had relations with Severine but was attracted to James Bond.
    QBranch wrote: »
    I thought it was documented somewhere that Elvis was Greene's nephew.

    Correction: just read this on James Bond wiki:
    On creating a background for the character, both actors Mathieu Amalric and Anatole Taubman came up with the backstory of Elvis being Greene's cousin who was rescued from the streets by Greene himself, making him his right-hand man and bodyguard

    Okay, thanks for that: I’ve not heard that before but that really helps to explain their relationship. Elvis is a useless family member that Greene is trying to help, that works. Shame it’s not in the film! :)

    Greene has to give him a job as nobody else would! He's basically taking pity on him as a family member! :))

    I have to say I like it as a kind of counterintuitive one-off Bond henchman.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    It's a trope that is often overused in mob films but if they had elaborated on it in QoS I would have liked it, by the sounds of it.
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    edited June 2021 Posts: 5,970
    And if they still kept Greene basically sacrificing Elvis, it would have been even more interesting considering this backstory for them. Obviously, he didn't know the place would blow up, but he definitely knew Elvis wouldn't survive Bond.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 16,383
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Denbigh wrote: »
    The only other villain, in the Craig-era, at least, I thought might have been gay was Elvis. And with Silva, it was seemingly more bisexual, as he'd obviously had relations with Severine but was attracted to James Bond.
    QBranch wrote: »
    I thought it was documented somewhere that Elvis was Greene's nephew.

    Correction: just read this on James Bond wiki:
    On creating a background for the character, both actors Mathieu Amalric and Anatole Taubman came up with the backstory of Elvis being Greene's cousin who was rescued from the streets by Greene himself, making him his right-hand man and bodyguard

    Okay, thanks for that: I’ve not heard that before but that really helps to explain their relationship. Elvis is a useless family member that Greene is trying to help, that works. Shame it’s not in the film! :)

    Greene has to give him a job as nobody else would! He's basically taking pity on him as a family member! :))

    I have to say I like it as a kind of counterintuitive one-off Bond henchman.

    Yes it’s actually quite a fresh idea for a Bond and at least could have been the source of a decent gag or two (as long as it didn’t go full ‘I got a brudder’ silliness). But we don’t really get one or the other, sadly.
    Denbigh wrote: »
    And if they still kept Greene basically sacrificing Elvis, it would have been even more interesting considering this backstory for them. Obviously, he didn't know the place would blow up, but he definitely knew Elvis wouldn't survive Bond.

    Yes that would have said something about Greene.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    As for the Amazon deal,mark my words they will want to milk the Bond franchise dry.They paid over 8 BILLION dollars and will want a return on their investment.That means Bond universe streaming shows,games (etc).They will not be satisfied with the long gaps between films that the Craig era has gone through.[/quote]

    @AstonLotus

    Apart from the fact that LeChiffre likes to hit Bond with a thick, phallic-looking rope (and comment on his body-- and he's obsessed with his penis), lets get to the Amazon deal: They spent that money for content... MGM owns thousands of hours of content. Content is gold. Bond is the cherry on the top.

    The only thing Amazon can provide is a shorter time between Bond films (after casting that is); I doubt Amazon will be crying poor anytime soon, therefore, yes, Bond films will be more frequent (fingers crossed).
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    I wonder what Bond would be valued at, all on its lonesome, if someone were to attempt to buy it? Hypothetically.

    To me, the $8 billion is an absolute steal when you consider just how much stuff MGM have their hands in outside of Bond.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    @CraigMooreOHMSS — yes 👍🏻
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    What does MGM have beyond 1986? I can count a handful of titles. If they hadn’t sold off their pre-1986 films and still had WIZARD OF OZ, GONE WITH THE WIND, SINGING IN THE RAIN, 2001, etc then it’d be MUCH higher.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    What does MGM have beyond 1986? I can count a handful of titles. If they hadn’t sold off their pre-1986 films and still had WIZARD OF OZ, GONE WITH THE WIND, SINGING IN THE RAIN, 2001, etc then it’d be MUCH higher.

    Don’t forget about A Christmas Story, a major merchandise machine.
  • M_BaljeM_Balje Amsterdam, Netherlands
    edited June 2021 Posts: 4,516
    There also have a lot of animated shorts/short movies. I know Tom and Jerry is from MGM and mabey somethings are made or released with help of Warner or MGM help them. Overall i see Bugs Bunny more as Warner thing, whyle Tom and Jerry more as MGM (released on dvd by Warner).

    Thomas Crown afair movies and The Great Escape (with Fox). Grand Prix (With Warner). Agent Cody Banks 1&2 (With Fox). With The hobbit movies and Tomb Raider 2018 Warner get help from MGM.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Oh yeah, they don’t even have POLTERGEIST.

    I was actually hoping WB would be the one to buy MGM, because they already have a solid history co-producing films like THE HOBBIT and CREED, and that it would have at least united the MGM library under one roof.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    edited June 2021 Posts: 8,216
    What does MGM have beyond 1986? I can count a handful of titles. If they hadn’t sold off their pre-1986 films and still had WIZARD OF OZ, GONE WITH THE WIND, SINGING IN THE RAIN, 2001, etc then it’d be MUCH higher.

    I was thinking of TV, too - considering Amazon are also big streamers of shows.

    Basically, if Bond is worth even half of that pricetag, it's a good deal surely?
  • HildebrandRarityHildebrandRarity Centre international d'assistance aux personnes déplacées, Paris, France
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    Basically, modern day MGM is the United Artists library (and IPs) plus most of the Orion library plus the Cannon library, plus MGM releases starting from 1986, all wrapped up under a more iconic name and logo.
  • Junglist_1985Junglist_1985 Los Angeles
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    https://www.mediaite.com/weird/watch-jeff-bezos-announces-he-is-escaping-to-space-just-days-after-resigning-as-amazon-ceo/

    Bezos really living up to his new Bond villain/Dr. Evil persona… is he going to bring his cat?
  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
    edited June 2021 Posts: 4,585
    Denbigh wrote: »
    I mean a lot of men straight or otherwise take notice of men’s physique…

    Le Chiffre could even have just been slightly bitter about it.

    Agreed. I never once thought LeChiffre was gay (or bisexual). To me, the line was leading to something left unsaid: LeChiffre telling Bond that his physical fitness was not about to help him.

    Similarly, I didn't think Silva was gay...if anything, maybe bisexual. Nevertheless, the homoerotic moment between Bond and Silva was more about Silva trying to make Bond feel uncomfortable, testing his "training." Interestingly, it wasn't until the third or fourth viewing of SF that I realized that Bond's line "What makes you think this is my first time" was not about being touched like that by another man, but rather a direct reference to being tied to a chair by LeChiffre.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    TripAces wrote: »
    Denbigh wrote: »
    I mean a lot of men straight or otherwise take notice of men’s physique…

    Le Chiffre could even have just been slightly bitter about it.
    Interestingly, it wasn't until the third or fourth viewing of SF that I realized that Bond's line "What makes you think this is my first time" was not about being touched like that by another man, but rather a direct reference to being tied to a chair by LeChiffre.

    I'm not sure that would make any sense in the context? And Craig delivers it with an almost flirty wink in his voice. Everyone's free to interpret things as they want of course, but to me that joke only makes sense if he's talking about a sexual experience.

    He might be lying, but equally, he did go to boarding school :D And he was in the Navy too...
  • Posts: 1,394
    AstonLotus wrote: »
    Denbigh wrote: »
    I personally never considered Le Chiffre to be gay.

    Also, considering Silva, as much as I love Skyfall and I really do, if given more time with him, it would've been nice to have seen more of Silva's flamboyance. I do like the subtlety, like in the way he talks and dresses (especially his first outfit), but I would've loved a bit more.

    It never once crossed my mind that le Chiffre was gay.He had an extremely hot girlfriend!

    Who he seems to have very little interest in, even when her arm is about to be chopped off!

    Quite a contrast to the Le Chiffre of the book, who was actually spent SMERSH funds on brothels/prostitution because of his sex addiction.

    I took it that he didnt actually care about her much.She was just his woman to do with as he pleased.He didnt say anything when her arm was going to get cut off because he figured better her than him.Even the black dude who threatened to do it called him on it.

    Also,as for the amazon deal....this means they also have the rights to the Stargate franchise right?

  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
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    mtm wrote: »
    TripAces wrote: »
    Denbigh wrote: »
    I mean a lot of men straight or otherwise take notice of men’s physique…

    Le Chiffre could even have just been slightly bitter about it.
    Interestingly, it wasn't until the third or fourth viewing of SF that I realized that Bond's line "What makes you think this is my first time" was not about being touched like that by another man, but rather a direct reference to being tied to a chair by LeChiffre.

    I'm not sure that would make any sense in the context? And Craig delivers it with an almost flirty wink in his voice. Everyone's free to interpret things as they want of course, but to me that joke only makes sense if he's talking about a sexual experience.

    He might be lying, but equally, he did go to boarding school :D And he was in the Navy too...

    The exchange started with Bond saying that M never tied him to a chair.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited June 2021 Posts: 16,383
    TripAces wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    TripAces wrote: »
    Denbigh wrote: »
    I mean a lot of men straight or otherwise take notice of men’s physique…

    Le Chiffre could even have just been slightly bitter about it.
    Interestingly, it wasn't until the third or fourth viewing of SF that I realized that Bond's line "What makes you think this is my first time" was not about being touched like that by another man, but rather a direct reference to being tied to a chair by LeChiffre.

    I'm not sure that would make any sense in the context? And Craig delivers it with an almost flirty wink in his voice. Everyone's free to interpret things as they want of course, but to me that joke only makes sense if he's talking about a sexual experience.

    He might be lying, but equally, he did go to boarding school :D And he was in the Navy too...

    The exchange started with Bond saying that M never tied him to a chair.

    Well it starts with Silva talking about rats on an island, but Bond isn't referring to that either :D
    Silva says "Huh, you’re trying to remember your training now. What’s the regulation to cover this?" referring to the way he's fondling Bond: "Well, first time for everything. Yes?". It just doesn't really make any sense to me that Bond would be talking about sitting on a chair when Silva is clearly talking about the way he's touching him.

    The chair exchange is done when Silva replies "Her loss" after Bond says she never tied him to a chair. Call and response.
    AstonLotus wrote: »
    AstonLotus wrote: »
    Denbigh wrote: »
    I personally never considered Le Chiffre to be gay.

    Also, considering Silva, as much as I love Skyfall and I really do, if given more time with him, it would've been nice to have seen more of Silva's flamboyance. I do like the subtlety, like in the way he talks and dresses (especially his first outfit), but I would've loved a bit more.

    It never once crossed my mind that le Chiffre was gay.He had an extremely hot girlfriend!

    Who he seems to have very little interest in, even when her arm is about to be chopped off!

    Quite a contrast to the Le Chiffre of the book, who was actually spent SMERSH funds on brothels/prostitution because of his sex addiction.

    I took it that he didnt actually care about her much.She was just his woman to do with as he pleased.


    It seems more like he keeps her around to preserve appearances. He's not even shown to be interested in her when she's in her sexy swimsuit; also he's the only man on the table not to look at Vesper lustily in her figure-hugging dress (even though that was Bond's plan). He's never shown to have any sexual desire in the movie, until right at the end when we get a 'wow' out of him when he sees Bond's body (after presumably ordering that he's stripped naked) and starts paying his genitals an awful lot of attention. All of these together do rather point in one direction.
  • M_BaljeM_Balje Amsterdam, Netherlands
    edited June 2021 Posts: 4,516
    Are MGM buying stil counting if buyer mabey don't pay or not enough texas

    https://nos.nl/artikel/2384232-amerikaanse-miljardairs-betaalden-weinig-tot-geen-belasting
    Amazon-topman Jeff Bezos betaalde 1 procent belasting over de totale groei van zijn vermogen

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    In 2007 en 2011 betaalde Amazon-topman Bezos, met een geschat vermogen van 186 miljard dollar de rijkste man ter wereld, helemaal geen inkomstenbelasting.

    English translation from google:

    https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=nl&tl=en&u=https://nos.nl/artikel/2384232-amerikaanse-miljardairs-betaalden-weinig-tot-geen-belasting
    Amazon CEO Jeff Bezos paid 1 percent tax on the total growth of his wealth.

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    In 2007 and 2011, Amazon CEO Bezos, the richest man in the world with an estimated wealth of $186 billion, paid no income tax at all.
  • edited June 2021 Posts: 1,970
    Bezo (like all rich people) has good tax lawyers, who took advantage of the US tax laws and all the loopholes in them.
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
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    The director of James Bond movies 'Casino Royale' and 'GoldenEye' gives his take on the franchise's future under Amazon

    https://www.businessinsider.com/james-bond-director-on-franchises-future-at-amazon-2021-6?r=US&IR=T
  • Posts: 928
    Red_Snow wrote: »

    Good for MGM - that's a solid group of films to release in one year. When was the last time they had multiple buzz-worthy releases in a single year? Must be decades ago.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Probably not since the early to mid 2010s when it seemed like they were about to recover with Bond, Hobbit, Creed, etc.
  • Red_SnowRed_Snow Australia
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    The FTC will reportedly review Amazon's $8.45 billion purchase of MGM — and it could be bad news for the tech giant
    https://businessinsider.com/ftc-review-amazon-mgm-deal-wsj-report-antitrust-lina-khan-2021-6?international=true&r=US&IR=T
  • Red_SnowRed_Snow Australia
    edited June 2021 Posts: 2,538
    Le Cinématographe - Nantes
    https://facebook.com/cinematographe

    No James Bond this summer, thanks Amazon!

    Six James Bond (one per actor) you won't be able to see this summer on our canvas. The James Bond are MGM productions, and the MGM just got redeemed by Amazon. Consequence: to date, movies are not available in theaters; a new arrival when printing the summer program.

    So you can thank the e-commerce giant and hope with us that he finds a business interest (not for the love of art, let's not dream! ) to make this centenary studio catalogue available again. Otherwise, you will only be able to see masterpieces such as Brigadoon or Moonfleet Smugglers in the future on small screen.

    For this summer programming and while waiting for Jeff Bezos's good willingness, we have concocted a mini ′′ Law of Gender ′′ bis, little sister of this year's, around the theme of the conspiracy. Kurt Russell or Cary Grant instead of Roger Moore or Timothy Dalton, you don't lose it completely!
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