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Boyle said repeatedly, that Bond being killed was there on the table, when he signed. It was a conditio sine qua non. He said, he quit, because EON wanted additional screenwriters to overhaul the Hodge script, and that Boyle did not want this, so he walked. Hodge said, he believes, BB and MGW just wanted to get rid off him and keep Boyle, but that Boyle took the bullet for him.
That moment really affects us fans.
It overshadowed everything happened in the film.
That’s their problem. They just need to get over it and move on. There’s no point in dwelling over it.
No matter the quality of the film, the death of Bond was always going to overshadow it unfortunately. I'm sure the producers must have realised that themselves
There is a lot riding on these films, so I always assume that the producers and their partners speak about these plot points up and down, side to side, and weigh all pros and cons before they make a decision; and the decision to kill Bond was no different: EoN had to get their distribution partners on board with this (after all, it’s their job to sell the film and if a major plot point was seen as absolutely unpalatable and not worth the risk, I don’t think we would have seen James Bond get blown to smithereens).
They definitely knew, that they would get harsh criticism from at least one part of the audience. Nevertheless, they took the risk (and not ending with a lame "the autopilot has been fixed by Bruce Wayne" in THE DARK KNIGHT RISES). And I am glad, they took the risk. Yet I can understand people loathe it. But maybe they should move on. After almost nine months. NTTD is the film we got, and the ending is the ending we got. Whether you like it or not. Oh, that rhyme was intentional. ;) :D
Yeah, sure. I get that. I feel it works if the balance is right, like previous Bond films. The comedy was just too heavy. It was becoming very obvious that David Dencik was very happy to be in a Bond film and was really determined to enjoy himself.
This is an interesting comment because I didn't think much of TDKR overall but I thought its ending was perfect. In Batman "dying" while saving Gotham, Bruce has ensured that Batman will live on as an indestructible symbol of justice for the city long after he's gone. Simultaneously, Bruce has seen the truth in Alfred's words about Gotham being only a place of personal suffering for him. In leaving Gotham and forging a new life for himself abroad, Bruce has finally gotten over the deaths of his parents and his own personal quest for vengeance, and is now allowed to live a normal life.
Christopher Nolan gave Batman and Bruce, as separate characters, their own personal victories with that ending. It's not about risk-taking or staying safe, it's about crafting an ending that's appropriate and satisfying.
Like so many previous times in the Craig era (Silva wanting to be captured, etc), the Bond producers tried to copy Nolan without understanding why he did what he did. They too wanted to turn Craig's Bond into a legend with the "self-sacrifice to save the world" thing, only it doesn't work in Bond's context because anyone can wear a cape and cowl but only Bond can be Bond, meaning that when Craig's Bond is killed, all it means is that he's left his wife a widow and his daughter fatherless.
If I’m being honest, I find your approach lazy.
I completely agree on the Matera feel, it felt dangerous like TLD did when it was in Bratislava. That's exactly the vibe I want from Bond
Exactly! Right you are.
Except… that isn’t what happened is it?
Not least as Bond and Madeline weren’t married.
There’s not really any parity between the Nolan Batmans and the Bonds apart from two tenuous links in similar plot points that occur in tons of narratives, and the fact that Batman got a new set of adaptations with an origin story around the same time Bond did. (And given they had just got the rights to Casino Royale, it was really bound to happen.)
Edit to add: Bond didn’t self sacrifice to save the world, so much as to protect M & M. Lots of Ms.
Makes sense to me Safin would do that, since once released there would be no other evidence of it passing through a population. But it would eventually find its mark with no warning. Inevitable.
Same here.
Same. The tonal shift to Hugh Dennis and soup gags fell with quite a clunk to me.
It was a programmed weapon. It would literally *only* kill M & M.
Author behind Young Bond series criticises the latest film No Time To Die for portraying 007 as a boring family man
Charlie Higson joked that 007 should have triggered his girlfriend's ejector seat and resumed his adventure. The author 'absolutely hated' the flick as it was like watching 007 'mow the lawn'.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10953127/Young-Bond-author-calls-007-boring-family-man-latest-film-No-Time-Die.html#article-10953127
Higson complaining about Bond having a backstory? I would rather watch a film with Bond briefly as a family man, than read a book series about Bond as a little boy, but that s just me.
Agreed.
I can watch films or read books in any situation. Whether I'm single, or a family man. Whether I'm grown up, or a little boy. I enjoy them all the same.
The mistake that Bourne has made has actually been by going in the *opposite* direction. From the moment Franka Potente floated away in the second one, it’s become less and less a ‘normal’ man who was made a victim of the military-industrial complex and only wanted a ‘normal’ life into standard revenge-flick fare. Culminating in the last one where he was basically never a normal man to begin with.
Bond has worked in the opposite direction almost, and has been all the better for it, overall.
In short, it had an injection of Deighton alongside the Fleming, and benefitted greatly.
I have issues with the film, but I think those bits work.