EoN sells up - Amazon MGM to produce 007 going forwards

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  • edited March 1 Posts: 4,687
    All good points :IMHO a new Bond means a reset with tone, I think thats what the audience expects and also, allows the actor to make the role his own rather than a continuation of the previous actor . Another CR in tone means another DC Bond in tone. The fact that Bond has the opportunity to keep resetting it's tone is one of it's strengths. The tone of Goldeneye was "mid" with some comedy and some darker moments (plus it looked great), sounds sensible to me.
  • Posts: 2,142
    I'm not looking for a retro Bond of any era. Each Bond film is a product of its time. Let's move on. Whomever the next Bond actor is, he will fail in comparison to each fan's favorite Bond. So be it. Move on. He'll change minds eventually or at least be tolerated. By the time the next film arrives, we'll be closer to 2030 than 2020. That will be Bond's world and ours. Craig was great, but now he's Bond memorabilia. The love fest with EON is over. For die hard Bond fans, the billion dollar sell out feels like suddenly discovering you've been left out of the will. We'll see if Amazon is as protective of Bond as BB was.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    CrabKey wrote: »
    I'm not looking for a retro Bond of any era. Each Bond film is a product of its time. Let's move on. Whomever the next Bond actor is, he will fail in comparison to each fan's favorite Bond. So be it. Move on. He'll change minds eventually or at least be tolerated. By the time the next film arrives, we'll be closer to 2030 than 2020. That will be Bond's world and ours. Craig was great, but now he's Bond memorabilia. The love fest with EON is over. For die hard Bond fans, the billion dollar sell out feels like suddenly discovering you've been left out of the will. We'll see if Amazon is as protective of Bond as BB was.

    This is a great comment. I've enjoyed every single actor to different degrees, I will no doubt like the next.
  • Posts: 2,396
    https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/another-james-bond-rumor-why-210533126.html

    Right so according to this article it appears that Jeff Bezos himself may have been the driving force behind this whole deal accelerating.

    “ THR has spoken to a “source familiar” with this earthshaking development, and it appears that Jeff Bezos may have been the overall catalyst. In a rundown that theorizes what actually happened, this unnamed party alleges that the founder of Amazon pulled the trigger due to this concern: He read her quote in the Journal and got on the phone and said, ‘I don’t care what it costs, get rid of her.’”

    This just drives my hatred for this company even further and makes Bezos’ social media post asking about the next Bond a cocky victory lap.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Hopefully not, yes. The same source does also appear to admit that no one knows what happened “it doesn’t make sense”

    https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-features/barbara-broccoli-sells-james-bond-decision-1236146734/
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    I still feel like the copyright expiration is part of the explanation that these reporters are missing.

    Every day that Bond gets closer to public domain is a day closer to Eon starting to lose control over the character, and the value of Eon's Bond going down.

    Sure, Eon could rightly sue over use of the gunbarrel, Barry-like music, etc., but that takes money and time, and Michael is the lawyer and is retiring, and maybe Barbara just didn't want an ongoing legal headache going into her 70s.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited March 2 Posts: 17,260
    I don’t think Amazon is going to pay all that for something they’ll lose. Although I understand lawyers aren’t 100% certain, with something like Mickey Mouse, the earliest version of which has famously gone out of copyright, Disney still have the trademark which lasts indefinitely, and if you do something which can be confused for the work of the trademark holder you may be liable. Amazon and the Broccolis retain the trademark for 007 and it’s not going anywhere. With all that money at stake I think it’s unlikely that someone will risk it.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
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    mtm wrote: »
    I don’t think Amazon is going to pay all that for something they’ll lose. Although I understand lawyers aren’t 100% certain, with something like Mickey Mouse, the earliest version of which has famously gone out of copyright, Disney still have the trademark which lasts indefinitely, and if you do something which can be confused for the work of the trademark holder you may be liable. Amazon and the Broccolis retain the trademark for 007 and it’s not going anywhere. With all that money at stake I think it’s unlikely that someone will risk it.

    I agree with this.
  • Posts: 2,396
    I think Barbara realized that this was just a losing fight. Amazon has near unlimited time, money, and resources at their disposal while EON didn’t. It’s a shame too because everything that Barbara was fighting against is unfortunately going to happen.
  • Posts: 2,097
    mtm wrote: »
    I don’t think Amazon is going to pay all that for something they’ll lose. Although I understand lawyers aren’t 100% certain, with something like Mickey Mouse, the earliest version of which has famously gone out of copyright, Disney still have the trademark which lasts indefinitely, and if you do something which can be confused for the work of the trademark holder you may be liable. Amazon and the Broccolis retain the trademark for 007 and it’s not going anywhere. With all that money at stake I think it’s unlikely that someone will risk it.

    Amazon is getting everything. They are not going to pay that much not to get the whole package.
  • Posts: 12,553
    Even though a certain amount of time has passed? I am still totally shocked that Bab's in particular has relinquished control of 007.

    I think we can expect spin offs with Amazon for sure. If the Billion dollar pay off is true? I can't see why with multiple writers? We could hope for a new Bond movie every 2 to 3 years?

    Have them as individual missions, so more than one story can be worked on at the same time. Cost is clearly no longer going to be a problem.
  • Posts: 2,097
    I wonder if Amazon can get the rights to the 007 theme from the John Barry estate?
  • Posts: 12,553
    fjdinardo wrote: »
    I wonder if Amazon can get the rights to the 007 theme from the John Barry estate?

    Would that not be included in the deal though? Bab's and MGW struck the new deal so they are co owners?
  • Posts: 2,097
    RogueAgent wrote: »
    fjdinardo wrote: »
    I wonder if Amazon can get the rights to the 007 theme from the John Barry estate?

    Would that not be included in the deal though? Bab's and MGW struck the new deal so they are co owners?

    No Babs and Michael never owned that piece of music. The Barry estate owns it.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
    edited March 2 Posts: 2,304
    fjdinardo wrote: »
    I wonder if Amazon can get the rights to the 007 theme from the John Barry estate?

    That's the kind of thing Amazon might be looking for to win over Bond fans instantly. I think they're going to look for all our Bondian soft spots to win us over. Because they're aware we (Bond fans) aren't entirely comfortable with the news of their take over.
  • Posts: 12,553
    fjdinardo wrote: »
    RogueAgent wrote: »
    fjdinardo wrote: »
    I wonder if Amazon can get the rights to the 007 theme from the John Barry estate?

    Would that not be included in the deal though? Bab's and MGW struck the new deal so they are co owners?

    No Babs and Michael never owned that piece of music. The Barry estate owns it.

    That's interesting? Never knew that! Well? If they Amazon can Bab's and MGW off? I'm sure they will come to an arrangement with the Barry estate before the new James Bond actor is revealed. As they will want to use it for the big reveal?
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    fjdinardo wrote: »
    RogueAgent wrote: »
    fjdinardo wrote: »
    I wonder if Amazon can get the rights to the 007 theme from the John Barry estate?

    Would that not be included in the deal though? Bab's and MGW struck the new deal so they are co owners?

    No Babs and Michael never owned that piece of music. The Barry estate owns it.

    Does that mean every piece Barry composed for a Bond film is owned by the Barry estate rather than the studio who hired the composer? Is this general practice in film scoring? I would've thought studios typically owned the music and composers got fees for their use as well as licenses to perform it in concerts or wherever.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    mtm wrote: »
    I don’t think Amazon is going to pay all that for something they’ll lose. Although I understand lawyers aren’t 100% certain, with something like Mickey Mouse, the earliest version of which has famously gone out of copyright, Disney still have the trademark which lasts indefinitely, and if you do something which can be confused for the work of the trademark holder you may be liable. Amazon and the Broccolis retain the trademark for 007 and it’s not going anywhere. With all that money at stake I think it’s unlikely that someone will risk it.

    I certainly hope so in that I don't think it helps Bond if there are a bunch of copies flooding the market.

    Even if the copyright can be defended, I think Amazon is better to do it than Barbara, who at that point will be in her 70s. Maybe she didn't want that fight, either.
  • Posts: 9,913
    echo wrote: »
    How long has Cubby been dead? 29 years!

    If you inherited a car or a house or a business from a parent, surely you would be allowed to do what you wanted with it 25-29 years later and not just keep the car/house/business exactly as it was 25-29 years before.

    It's a ridiculous point that she needed to be shackled to the past because we fans say so.

    Anyway, we should all be more concerned that we're going to get a series of films like NSNA--a film that hits the tropes but at its heart, despite a good Connery performance, does not feel like Bond.

    Perfect

    While i need to read back through the last 20 pages i just saw this

    “Amazon CEO Andy Jassy, has spoken out about the future of the James Bond franchise following Amazon MGM Studios' takeover of creative control.

    The chief executive addressed speculation about what's next for 007 in a recent interview with CNBC and delivered a candid update on the progress of the hotly anticipated next film:

    “We don't have a plan yet on what the next theme is going to be. We haven’t – nobody’s written the story yet. But we will take great care. It’s an amazing franchise that we care a lot about and that we expect to develop over a long period of time.

    During the interview, which focused on new AI features for Amazon's Alexa, Jassy dismissed concerns about artificial intelligence writing future Bond films.

    “First of all, I don’t believe that AI is going to write a Bond movie any time soon. We’re incredibly honored to have the ability to help shepherd the Bond franchise for the next generation. And we have amazing filmmakers that we have hired over time at MGM Amazon Studios.””


    Good so they don’t have a plan either so much for a quick turnaround


    I will be taking a nap and dreaming for a new franchise
  • Last_Rat_StandingLast_Rat_Standing Long Neck Ice Cold Beer Never Broke My Heart
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    Dang. If you're going to buy the franchise, at least put all 25 films on Prime forever
  • Posts: 2,142
    AI is not going to write a Bond film. It is a tool and could well be used to create some ideas, but it is not going to produce a screen ready script.
  • Posts: 4,710
    Risico007 wrote: »
    echo wrote: »
    How long has Cubby been dead? 29 years!

    If you inherited a car or a house or a business from a parent, surely you would be allowed to do what you wanted with it 25-29 years later and not just keep the car/house/business exactly as it was 25-29 years before.

    It's a ridiculous point that she needed to be shackled to the past because we fans say so.

    Anyway, we should all be more concerned that we're going to get a series of films like NSNA--a film that hits the tropes but at its heart, despite a good Connery performance, does not feel like Bond.

    Perfect

    While i need to read back through the last 20 pages i just saw this

    “Amazon CEO Andy Jassy, has spoken out about the future of the James Bond franchise following Amazon MGM Studios' takeover of creative control.

    The chief executive addressed speculation about what's next for 007 in a recent interview with CNBC and delivered a candid update on the progress of the hotly anticipated next film:

    “We don't have a plan yet on what the next theme is going to be. We haven’t – nobody’s written the story yet. But we will take great care. It’s an amazing franchise that we care a lot about and that we expect to develop over a long period of time.

    During the interview, which focused on new AI features for Amazon's Alexa, Jassy dismissed concerns about artificial intelligence writing future Bond films.

    “First of all, I don’t believe that AI is going to write a Bond movie any time soon. We’re incredibly honored to have the ability to help shepherd the Bond franchise for the next generation. And we have amazing filmmakers that we have hired over time at MGM Amazon Studios.””


    Good so they don’t have a plan either so much for a quick turnaround


    I will be taking a nap and dreaming for a new franchise

    I don't expect a quick turnaround either. Nor do I think AI will ever fully write a Bond movie.

    However, it seems every one of us has been wrong about something in the past! So I suppose never say never.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
    edited March 2 Posts: 8,377
    Eon didn’t bring back the 007 theme, so I don’t expect Amazon to either. Their main goal is the attract the broad audience and make new fans, not placate to a base which is aging out of the demographic target.
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
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    Eon didn’t bring back the 007 theme, so I don’t expect Amazon to either. Their main goal is the attract the broad audience and make new fans, not placate to a base which is aging out of the demographic target.

    That's one of my biggest fears with this deal in general
  • edited March 3 Posts: 2,142
    It could be Bond goes the way of the Oldsmobile. New Bond, new music, new everything. "This ain't your grandad's Bond. This is our Bond." The next Bond will be under new management and the new owners can do anything they want.

    That we didn't come out of the last Bond with any sense of direction makes me think EON wasn't up for another film. When you know before filming ever begins you're going to kill off your main character, you don't wait until the film is finished to begin thinking about the next film, unless of course your heart isn't in it. BB could have easily said I'm taking a couple of years off from Bond, but when I'm back, have some ideas for me to look at. It seems this is where it was always going.

    Added later.

    Oscars give Bond some love. In recognition of BB & MW, Halle Berry introduced a Bond highlight reel, followed by three singers doing not doing a very good job of LALD, DAF, and SF. Raye, however, was the best of the three. But the walk on song introducing Berry was an instrumental version of GF, still the most iconic Bond song of all time.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    If its not a quick turn around that means we won't see Bond 26 until way after the release of Batman part 2.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    The only guarantee we can get is that after the new film comes out we’ll more than likely see the next within two to three years.

    I was okay with Eon taking its time when they still owned it, because my reasoning was that once they got the ball rolling with Bond 26 we wouldn’t see anymore delays between films. It’s easier to take your time between Bonds than do that within an actor’s tenure, and the gap between SP and NTTD was more circumstantial than intentional.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
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    The only guarantee we can get is that after the new film comes out we’ll more than likely see the next within two to three years.

    I was okay with Eon taking its time when they still owned it, because my reasoning was that once they got the ball rolling with Bond 26 we wouldn’t see anymore delays between films. It’s easier to take your time between Bonds than do that within an actor’s tenure, and the gap between SP and NTTD was more circumstantial than intentional.

    Yeah. Well put.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Eon didn’t bring back the 007 theme, so I don’t expect Amazon to either. Their main goal is the attract the broad audience and make new fans, not placate to a base which is aging out of the demographic target.

    I love Barry, but 007 has never really done much for me.
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