EoN sells up - Amazon MGM to produce 007 going forwards

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  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    RogueAgent wrote: »
    Great to see Brosnan reunited with his DAD Vanquish! Fab photos!!! The man has still clearly got it! :-bd

    No I think Aston Martin themselves own it now ;)
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    Fans want a return of the sausage factory of Cubby’s run, but do they consider that part of the box office decline in the 80s was precisely because they came out so regularly over time that people began taking Bond films for granted when they came out?

    Neither my perception nor experience.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    edited March 9 Posts: 6,555
    Fans want a return of the sausage factory of Cubby’s run, but do they consider that part of the box office decline in the 80s was precisely because they came out so regularly over time that people began taking Bond films for granted when they came out?

    Bond was in better hands back then. Hard to compare to how it would be now. ‘62-‘89 contains the best Bond films.

    I'd take '06-'21 over '71-'85. Quality over quantity.
  • edited March 9 Posts: 4,739
    Fans want a return of the sausage factory of Cubby’s run, but do they consider that part of the box office decline in the 80s was precisely because they came out so regularly over time that people began taking Bond films for granted when they came out?

    Bond was in better hands back then. Hard to compare to how it would be now. ‘62-‘89 contains the best Bond films.

    Debatable. Personally I’d say the ‘95-‘21 era is comparable to the ‘62-‘89 one in terms of quality on the whole. There’s great instalments like CR, SF, GE, or GF and OHMSS which are regarded as great films in general. There’s also more underwhelming/disappointing ones in there like TMWTGG or DAD (although it’s worth saying the former really put the Bond franchise at risk due to its underperformance, and DAD wasn’t as bad for the series in this sense). There’s some really off the wall ones like MR and NTTD which have their fans.

    Bond movies aren’t all going to be masterpieces. That’s just the nature of a long running franchise. But there’s some really great films in both eras.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    CrabKey wrote: »
    Fans want a return of the sausage factory of Cubby’s run, but do they consider that part of the box office decline in the 80s was precisely because they came out so regularly over time that people began taking Bond films for granted when they came out?

    Neither my perception nor experience.

    That’s because you’re a Bond fan, which is different from general audiences who do think of Bond films on the same level as us.
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    I think the reason for the box office decline in the 80’s was less to do with the rate at which the films were coming out and more audiences getting sick of Moore in the role, and not really taking to Dalton to begin with.
  • DaltonforyouDaltonforyou The Daltonator
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    The scripts started getting a little shabby, especially Licence to Kill and A view to a kill , which both have a tv movie quality, but the other three films of the decade are some of my favorites so...
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    The scripts started getting a little shabby, especially Licence to Kill and A view to a kill , which both have a tv movie quality, but the other three films of the decade are some of my favorites so...

    I’ve always thought that LTK had one of the strongest scripts in the entire series. Certainly holds up better as opposed to some of the preceding and following films.
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    The scripts started getting a little shabby, especially Licence to Kill and A view to a kill , which both have a tv movie quality, but the other three films of the decade are some of my favorites so...

    I’ve always thought that LTK had one of the strongest scripts in the entire series. Certainly holds up better as opposed to some of the preceding and following films.
    Yeah, Dalton's movies were great but It was too late. Bond was your father's hero.
  • DaltonforyouDaltonforyou The Daltonator
    Posts: 650
    The scripts started getting a little shabby, especially Licence to Kill and A view to a kill , which both have a tv movie quality, but the other three films of the decade are some of my favorites so...

    I’ve always thought that LTK had one of the strongest scripts in the entire series. Certainly holds up better as opposed to some of the preceding and following films.

    The Bond community would be boring if we shared the same point of view, so agree to disagree.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    The 80's Bond movies also missed that lavish otherworldly quality of Ken Adam's production design.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Murdock wrote: »
    The 80's Bond movies also missed that lavish otherworldly quality of Ken Adam's production design.

    I thought LTK had some unexpectedly impressive set design....
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    chrisisall wrote: »
    Murdock wrote: »
    The 80's Bond movies also missed that lavish otherworldly quality of Ken Adam's production design.

    I thought LTK had some unexpectedly impressive set design....

    LTK and OP come pretty close. I do also really enjoy the Main Strike Mine sets from AVTAK as well.
  • DaltonforyouDaltonforyou The Daltonator
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    LTK has a real dank and dingy quality to it, I don't know what maybe its the cinematography.
  • edited March 9 Posts: 2,407
    The scripts started getting a little shabby, especially Licence to Kill and A view to a kill , which both have a tv movie quality, but the other three films of the decade are some of my favorites so...

    I’ve always thought that LTK had one of the strongest scripts in the entire series. Certainly holds up better as opposed to some of the preceding and following films.

    The Bond community would be boring if we shared the same point of view, so agree to disagree.

    I hear that; in any case I respect your views!
    Murdock wrote: »
    chrisisall wrote: »
    Murdock wrote: »
    The 80's Bond movies also missed that lavish otherworldly quality of Ken Adam's production design.

    I thought LTK had some unexpectedly impressive set design....

    LTK and OP come pretty close. I do also really enjoy the Main Strike Mine sets from AVTAK as well.

    Filmed in the same mine that Peter Hunt and Roger Moore shot “Gold” if I’m not mistaken.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    Latest news from an unconfirmed source: Detailed in an internal memo circulated at Amazon Studios, is that Bond will remain male and a Brit. Or at least from the Commonwealth... (Jesus, that really narrows it down dunnit).

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14477579/James-Bond-007-man-UK-Commonwealth-Hollywood.html
    https://www.darkhorizons.com/amazons-007-remains-male-british-may-get-cuaron/

    No word yet on whether he will remain two-legged.
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    Male (☑️), British (☑️).
    Those are not the only secret ingredients.
    DEWI FOR BOND.💎

  • edited 12:11am Posts: 4,739
    I mean, I don't disagree Bond should be British (at least in the way he's played) but it's worth saying Brosnan's from the Republic of Ireland, Lazenby was Australian, and Bond has generally had a precedent of going with some out of the box actors with many of them either using their natural regional accents or letting it slip overtly on occasion. It's still very much a wide range of possibilities (including non-white actors).
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
    edited 12:16am Posts: 8,390
    LTK has a real dank and dingy quality to it, I don't know what maybe its the cinematography.

    Alec Mills, who was the DP for TLD and LTK, definitely did cinematography in a way that made the films look very antiquated when you compare them to movies of that time, most notably during indoor scenes where the lighting style is very old fashioned by the late 80s. I reckon if they snagged someone like Jan de Bont to do the DP work those two Dalton films would have been more visually striking. However, Alec Mills was an in house guy at Eon, so he was cheaper.

    That always made me wonder who the director of Bond 17 would have been if Cubby still delivered on 1991. Up to that point, Cubby only hired directors who he had already worked with. For Bond, Lewis Gilbert on YOLT was the last director outside of Eon that got the gig. All films from OHMSS to LTK were either in house like Hunt and Glen, or had already done Bond in the past like Hamilton and Gilbert.

    That’s part of what defines the 1962-1989 era for me. Cubby liked to keep his company pretty exclusive to an extend. Whereas with 1995-2021, Michael and Barbara were far more willing to hire directors who were outside the box like Michael Apted.
  • DaltonforyouDaltonforyou The Daltonator
    edited 12:17am Posts: 650
    QBranch wrote: »
    Latest news from an unconfirmed source: Detailed in an internal memo circulated at Amazon Studios, is that Bond will remain male and a Brit. Or at least from the Commonwealth... (Jesus, that really narrows it down dunnit).

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14477579/James-Bond-007-man-UK-Commonwealth-Hollywood.html
    https://www.darkhorizons.com/amazons-007-remains-male-british-may-get-cuaron/

    No word yet on whether he will remain two-legged.
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    DVlO3h.gif

    That's good news I suppose.
  • DaltonforyouDaltonforyou The Daltonator
    Posts: 650
    LTK has a real dank and dingy quality to it, I don't know what maybe its the cinematography.

    Alec Mills, who was the DP for TLD and LTK, definitely did cinematography in a way that made the films look very antiquated when you compare them to movies of that time, most notably during indoor scenes where the lighting style is very old fashioned by the late 80s. I reckon if they snagged someone like Jan de Bont to do the DP work those two Dalton films would have been more visually striking. However, Alec Mills was an in house guy at Eon, so he was cheaper.

    That always made me wonder who the director of Bond 17 would have been if Cubby still delivered on 1991. Up to that point, Cubby only hired directors who he had already worked with. For Bond, Lewis Gilbert on YOLT was the last director outside of Eon that got the gig. All films from OHMSS to LTK were either in house like Hunt and Glen, or had already done Bond in the past like Hamilton and Gilbert.

    That’s part of what defines the 1962-1989 era for me. Cubby liked to keep his company pretty exclusive to an extend. Whereas with 1995-2021, Michael and Barbara were far more willing to hire directors who were outside the box like Michael Apted.

    Agreed, Although I don't feel TLD as the same problem. And yes, regarding the declining box office receipts others have mentioned, I think it would have been worth it to bring in some new blood behind the scenes to freshen things up.
  • edited 1:01am Posts: 4,739
    I think there's a whole backstory with MGM giving Bond less budgets in the 80s which likely contributed to using 'in house' directors. I recall reading at one point they couldn't even afford Peter Hunt, and certainly not Lewis Gilbert. It also contributed to the 80s Bond films having lower budgets (MGM issues really have been a major issue with the Bond franchise, hasn't it?)
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    007HallY wrote: »
    I think there's a whole backstory with MGM giving Bond less budgets in the 80s which likely contributed to using 'in house' directors. I recall reading at one point they couldn't even afford Peter Hunt, and certainly not Lewis Gilbert. It also contributed to the 80s Bond films having lower budgets (MGM issues really have been a major issue with the Bond franchise, hasn't it?)

    I remember reading somewhere that following the disastrous “Heaven’s Gate”, MGM/UA ended up cutting back on the budget for FYEO to help save money. I’m not sure how true that is but it makes sense when you consider how much of a disaster “Heaven’s Gate” was.
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    007HallY wrote: »
    I think there's a whole backstory with MGM giving Bond less budgets in the 80s which likely contributed to using 'in house' directors. I recall reading at one point they couldn't even afford Peter Hunt, and certainly not Lewis Gilbert. It also contributed to the 80s Bond films having lower budgets (MGM issues really have been a major issue with the Bond franchise, hasn't it?)

    I remember reading somewhere that following the disastrous “Heaven’s Gate”, MGM/UA ended up cutting back on the budget for FYEO to help save money. I’m not sure how true that is but it makes sense when you consider how much of a disaster “Heaven’s Gate” was.

    That's it! I think it was the case for the subsequent years as well. I guess Moore's (much deserved) pay check and film by film contract deals also had an impact. Not easy to deal with (as I always say I don't think there are any villains or heroes in this sort of situation).
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    007HallY wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    I think there's a whole backstory with MGM giving Bond less budgets in the 80s which likely contributed to using 'in house' directors. I recall reading at one point they couldn't even afford Peter Hunt, and certainly not Lewis Gilbert. It also contributed to the 80s Bond films having lower budgets (MGM issues really have been a major issue with the Bond franchise, hasn't it?)

    I remember reading somewhere that following the disastrous “Heaven’s Gate”, MGM/UA ended up cutting back on the budget for FYEO to help save money. I’m not sure how true that is but it makes sense when you consider how much of a disaster “Heaven’s Gate” was.

    That's it! I think it was the case for the subsequent years as well. I guess Moore's (much deserved) pay check and film by film contract deals also had an impact. Not easy to deal with (as I always say I don't think there are any villains or heroes in this sort of situation).

    Oh yeah; to be fair, I’ve always felt that the reason some of those John Glen Bond films work so well for me is because of how constrained they were by budget; allowing more time to be put on story and character rather than just having a film feel like a series of set pieces edited together, which was perhaps my biggest problem with most of the 70’s era (LALD and TSWLM excluded.)
  • edited 2:45am Posts: 1,911
    007HallY wrote: »
    I mean, I don't disagree Bond should be British (at least in the way he's played) but it's worth saying Brosnan's from the Republic of Ireland, Lazenby was Australian, and Bond has generally had a precedent of going with some out of the box actors with many of them either using their natural regional accents or letting it slip overtly on occasion. It's still very much a wide range of possibilities (including non-white actors).

    Stop with the non-white actor stuff. It just sounds like you are being PC. If that is what floats your boat go watch another character. Granted, the days of slapping a woman on the bottom and telling her "Man talk" and "fetch my shoes" are over but Fleming's character at his core is white.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    007HallY wrote: »
    I think there's a whole backstory with MGM giving Bond less budgets in the 80s which likely contributed to using 'in house' directors. I recall reading at one point they couldn't even afford Peter Hunt, and certainly not Lewis Gilbert. It also contributed to the 80s Bond films having lower budgets (MGM issues really have been a major issue with the Bond franchise, hasn't it?)

    I remember reading somewhere that following the disastrous “Heaven’s Gate”, MGM/UA ended up cutting back on the budget for FYEO to help save money. I’m not sure how true that is but it makes sense when you consider how much of a disaster “Heaven’s Gate” was.

    Here’s the timeline of it all:

    December 1980: HEAVEN’S GATE has a disastrous premiere in New York, forcing UA to postpone its wide release so that the film could be recut.

    February 1981: FYEO concludes production.

    April 1981: HEAVEN’S GATE gets its wide release. Only grosses $3.5m against a production budget of $44m, making it one of the biggest box office bombs in film history.

    May 1981: Transamerica puts UA on sale and MGM purchased it.

    June 1981: FYEO is released by UA’s still active distribution arm, grossing $195m worldwide.

    The very last UA release was THE BEAST WITHIN in February 1982. The first MGM/UA release would be PENITENTIARY II in April 1982.

    So OP was really the first time Cubby had to deal with the big regime change, as FYEO was practically already in the can by the time MGM purchased UA. Similar parallel to NTTD already being in the can when Amazon made their purchase of MGM.
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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    The scripts started getting a little shabby, especially Licence to Kill and A view to a kill , which both have a tv movie quality, but the other three films of the decade are some of my favorites so...

    I’ve always thought that LTK had one of the strongest scripts in the entire series. Certainly holds up better as opposed to some of the preceding and following films.

    The Bond community would be boring if we shared the same point of view, so agree to disagree.

    I hear that; in any case I respect your views!
    Murdock wrote: »
    chrisisall wrote: »
    Murdock wrote: »
    The 80's Bond movies also missed that lavish otherworldly quality of Ken Adam's production design.

    I thought LTK had some unexpectedly impressive set design....

    LTK and OP come pretty close. I do also really enjoy the Main Strike Mine sets from AVTAK as well.

    Filmed in the same mine that Peter Hunt and Roger Moore shot “Gold” if I’m not mistaken.


    Gold was filmed on location in South Africa, with studio work taking place at Pinewood.
    AVTAK’s mine was shot in Sussex, with interiors shot at Pinewood, on a Peter Lamont designed set.
    Don’t think they’re the same
  • edited 7:09am Posts: 1,675
    007HallY wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    I think there's a whole backstory with MGM giving Bond less budgets in the 80s which likely contributed to using 'in house' directors. I recall reading at one point they couldn't even afford Peter Hunt, and certainly not Lewis Gilbert. It also contributed to the 80s Bond films having lower budgets (MGM issues really have been a major issue with the Bond franchise, hasn't it?)

    I remember reading somewhere that following the disastrous “Heaven’s Gate”, MGM/UA ended up cutting back on the budget for FYEO to help save money. I’m not sure how true that is but it makes sense when you consider how much of a disaster “Heaven’s Gate” was.

    That's it! I think it was the case for the subsequent years as well. I guess Moore's (much deserved) pay check and film by film contract deals also had an impact. Not easy to deal with (as I always say I don't think there are any villains or heroes in this sort of situation).

    Oh yeah; to be fair, I’ve always felt that the reason some of those John Glen Bond films work so well for me is because of how constrained they were by budget; allowing more time to be put on story and character rather than just having a film feel like a series of set pieces edited together, which was perhaps my biggest problem with most of the 70’s era (LALD and TSWLM excluded.)

    LALD was quite cheap, by the way. Moonraker and TSPWLM were the ones with a big budget. GoldenEye was also cheap, it's not like it was the TSWLM 2.0.
    There have always been James Bond movies of all colors and sizes.
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