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  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
    edited August 2020 Posts: 4,619
    After watching Skyfall again, I realized there is not many memorable quotes, that don’t come from Silva or Kincade. I also didn’t pity M when she died, I feel like she had it coming, given her job. I feel some of her screen time could have gone to Severine, making her a more developed character.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
    Posts: 7,114
    PrinceKamalKhan wrote: »
    BT3366 wrote: »
    I much prefer the Bond-Sanchez relationship opposed to the Bond-Trevelyan relationship. Sanchez is more complex and interesting and feels more dangerous despite Trevelyan's service training.

    Agreed. One weakness in GE for me was that the 007 vs. 006 antagonistic relationship lacked the dramatic antagonistic tension that the Bond vs. Sanchez one did. Another reason I wish Dalton had played Bond in GE instead of Brosnan.
    GoldenGun wrote: »
    MakeshiftPython wrote: »
    It would be cool if EON could include that ABC cut as a bonus feature. WB had just recently released the ABC three hour version of SUPERMAN ‘78 on blu-ray. Hopefully someday they’ll put out an extended cut of SUPERMAN II.

    What's the difference? I haven't seen it and I'd like to know...

    @GoldenGun Here's some of it:




    Thanks for that. Happy the original version is the one that survived the test of time ;)
  • BT3366BT3366
    Posts: 1,917
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    MakeshiftPython wrote: »
    I don't think the differences are major enough to warrant its own release, which is why I suggest it be better offer it as a bonus feature strictly for fans that are curious of it. It was the very first televised airing of OHMSS in the US, so in 1976 it was for a lot of people who missed it in theaters their first exposure to OHMSS.

    Of course, the same can be said for a lot of TV airings that served as a gateway for Bond fans. I know that a lot of the Bond films I watched for the very first time were on TV marathons during Christmas, usually promoted as 007 Days of Bond.

    I agree. Much rather see it as a bonus feature. In addition I wouldn't mind seeing some of the various title sequence re-edits included as an extra feature. I recall the title card for FYEO being oddly placed at the top pf the screen rather than the bottom on ABC. Also TMWTGG had several changes to Binder's titles on ABC.

    There was in interview with Maurice Binder in Starlog Magazine from the '80s in which he talked in detail about having to reedit some of the title sequences to be accommodated for the television screens of the time, I think he called it the HBO version, when a majority of the Bonds were shot in widescreen format. It's interesting that they let the actual designer alter his own art rather than take it on themselves.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
    edited August 2020 Posts: 8,182
    Binder is probably referring to the pan and scan process of his 80s titles for OP-LTK where he got to recomposite the credits. In the case of FYEO, all they did is squeeze the whole image to fit the 4:3 screens which only made the image look distorted.

    Kleinman was able to do the same thing with his titles for the Brosnan films in pan and scan.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
    Posts: 4,619
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    After watching Skyfall again, I realized there is not many memorable quotes, that don’t come from Silva or Kincade. I also didn’t pity M when she died, I feel like she had it coming, given her job. I feel some of her screen time could have gone to Severine, making her a more developed character.

    I also really like the strong use of blue in the cinematography. Really brought out Daniel Craig and Judi Dench’s eyes.
  • ToTheRightToTheRight
    Posts: 16,154
    BT3366 wrote: »
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    MakeshiftPython wrote: »
    I don't think the differences are major enough to warrant its own release, which is why I suggest it be better offer it as a bonus feature strictly for fans that are curious of it. It was the very first televised airing of OHMSS in the US, so in 1976 it was for a lot of people who missed it in theaters their first exposure to OHMSS.

    Of course, the same can be said for a lot of TV airings that served as a gateway for Bond fans. I know that a lot of the Bond films I watched for the very first time were on TV marathons during Christmas, usually promoted as 007 Days of Bond.

    I agree. Much rather see it as a bonus feature. In addition I wouldn't mind seeing some of the various title sequence re-edits included as an extra feature. I recall the title card for FYEO being oddly placed at the top pf the screen rather than the bottom on ABC. Also TMWTGG had several changes to Binder's titles on ABC.

    There was in interview with Maurice Binder in Starlog Magazine from the '80s in which he talked in detail about having to reedit some of the title sequences to be accommodated for the television screens of the time, I think he called it the HBO version, when a majority of the Bonds were shot in widescreen format. It's interesting that they let the actual designer alter his own art rather than take it on themselves.

    I used to have that issue. Wish i had kept it.

    Speaking of HBO I'd be interested in seeing some of the HBO transfers of the Bonds. I remember an article in the Ian Fleming Foundation Goldeneye Magazine covering the various edits of TB and the HBO version sounded pretty cool.
  • PrinceKamalKhanPrinceKamalKhan Monsoon Palace, Udaipur
    Posts: 3,262
    GoldenGun wrote: »
    PrinceKamalKhan wrote: »
    BT3366 wrote: »
    I much prefer the Bond-Sanchez relationship opposed to the Bond-Trevelyan relationship. Sanchez is more complex and interesting and feels more dangerous despite Trevelyan's service training.

    Agreed. One weakness in GE for me was that the 007 vs. 006 antagonistic relationship lacked the dramatic antagonistic tension that the Bond vs. Sanchez one did. Another reason I wish Dalton had played Bond in GE instead of Brosnan.
    GoldenGun wrote: »
    MakeshiftPython wrote: »
    It would be cool if EON could include that ABC cut as a bonus feature. WB had just recently released the ABC three hour version of SUPERMAN ‘78 on blu-ray. Hopefully someday they’ll put out an extended cut of SUPERMAN II.

    What's the difference? I haven't seen it and I'd like to know...

    @GoldenGun Here's some of it:




    Thanks for that. Happy the original version is the one that survived the test of time ;)

    You're welcome. I agree with others that it would make an intriguing additional feature for those of us who've already seen the regular cut of OHMSS several times.
  • JWPepperJWPepper You sit on it, but you can't take it with you.
    edited August 2020 Posts: 512
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    BT3366 wrote: »
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    MakeshiftPython wrote: »
    I don't think the differences are major enough to warrant its own release, which is why I suggest it be better offer it as a bonus feature strictly for fans that are curious of it. It was the very first televised airing of OHMSS in the US, so in 1976 it was for a lot of people who missed it in theaters their first exposure to OHMSS.

    Of course, the same can be said for a lot of TV airings that served as a gateway for Bond fans. I know that a lot of the Bond films I watched for the very first time were on TV marathons during Christmas, usually promoted as 007 Days of Bond.

    I agree. Much rather see it as a bonus feature. In addition I wouldn't mind seeing some of the various title sequence re-edits included as an extra feature. I recall the title card for FYEO being oddly placed at the top pf the screen rather than the bottom on ABC. Also TMWTGG had several changes to Binder's titles on ABC.

    There was in interview with Maurice Binder in Starlog Magazine from the '80s in which he talked in detail about having to reedit some of the title sequences to be accommodated for the television screens of the time, I think he called it the HBO version, when a majority of the Bonds were shot in widescreen format. It's interesting that they let the actual designer alter his own art rather than take it on themselves.

    I used to have that issue. Wish i had kept it.

    Speaking of HBO I'd be interested in seeing some of the HBO transfers of the Bonds. I remember an article in the Ian Fleming Foundation Goldeneye Magazine covering the various edits of TB and the HBO version sounded pretty cool.

    The interview is online. 007dossier has it i believe.
    Edit: here it is:
    https://www.the007dossier.com/2013/03/13/maurice-binder-starlog-interview-1/
    https://www.the007dossier.com/2013/03/14/maurice-binder-starlog-interview-2/
  • Last_Rat_StandingLast_Rat_Standing Long Neck Ice Cold Beer Never Broke My Heart
    Posts: 4,583
    I enjoy DAF and YOLT way more than GF and TB
  • marcmarc Universal Exports
    Posts: 2,610
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    After watching Skyfall again, I realized there is not many memorable quotes (...). I also didn’t pity M when she died, I feel like she had it coming, given her job.
    +1
    Last_Rat_Standing wrote: »
    I enjoy DAF and YOLT way more than GF and TB
    YOLT way more than TB: yes
    YOLT more than GF: yes
    DAF: no, but there are great sequences in DAF as well
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    edited August 2020 Posts: 5,970
    Ok I'm not sure if this would be considered controversial but I'm not really bothered about Bond's naval background... or when it's addressed.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
    Posts: 13,785
    I hope it's not controversial, @Denbigh, but now mentioned I wonder if it will become that over time.
  • RoadphillRoadphill United Kingdom
    Posts: 984
    Last_Rat_Standing wrote: »
    I enjoy DAF and YOLT way more than GF and TB

    Not so controversial for YOLT. There are a lot of iconic scenes in that. Big epic feel, also arguably John Barry's finest hour scoring Bond. But Diamond's? Eesh. I can honestly say there are hardly any Bond films I actively dislike, but DAF is one.
  • ToTheRightToTheRight
    Posts: 16,154
    Controversial opinion:

    I actually enjoy DAF more than the '06 CR. At least on my last viewing of CR, which I couldn't quite get through all the way.
    I tend to pop in DAF extremely often.
  • Last_Rat_StandingLast_Rat_Standing Long Neck Ice Cold Beer Never Broke My Heart
    Posts: 4,583
    Roadphill wrote: »
    Last_Rat_Standing wrote: »
    I enjoy DAF and YOLT way more than GF and TB

    Not so controversial for YOLT. There are a lot of iconic scenes in that. Big epic feel, also arguably John Barry's finest hour scoring Bond. But Diamond's? Eesh. I can honestly say there are hardly any Bond films I actively dislike, but DAF is one.

    DAF is my second favorite Connery film. Only FRWL tops it. It was my favorite as when I was younger and it doesn't tend to drag for me as much as GF and TB does.
  • RoadphillRoadphill United Kingdom
    Posts: 984
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Controversial opinion:

    I actually enjoy DAF more than the '06 CR. At least on my last viewing of CR, which I couldn't quite get through all the way.
    I tend to pop in DAF extremely often.

    Different strokes, for different folks, I suppose. The only way I find DAF superior to CR is the soundtrack. Other than that it's a whitewash.
  • TorgeirtrapTorgeirtrap
    Posts: 17,753
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Controversial opinion:

    I actually enjoy DAF more than the '06 CR. At least on my last viewing of CR, which I couldn't quite get through all the way.
    I tend to pop in DAF extremely often.

    DAF is in my top ten, CR is not – and this is the main reason why. I find DAF extremely entertaining and I tend to watch it fairly often in comparison to many of the films.
  • jobojobo
    Posts: 7,507
    Torgeirtrap wrote: »
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Controversial opinion:

    I actually enjoy DAF more than the '06 CR. At least on my last viewing of CR, which I couldn't quite get through all the way.
    I tend to pop in DAF extremely often.

    DAF is in my top ten, CR is not – and this is the main reason why. I find DAF extremely entertaining and I tend to watch it fairly often in comparison to many of the films.

    I will pretend I did not see that... =;
  • TorgeirtrapTorgeirtrap
    Posts: 17,753
    jobo wrote: »
    Torgeirtrap wrote: »
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Controversial opinion:

    I actually enjoy DAF more than the '06 CR. At least on my last viewing of CR, which I couldn't quite get through all the way.
    I tend to pop in DAF extremely often.

    DAF is in my top ten, CR is not – and this is the main reason why. I find DAF extremely entertaining and I tend to watch it fairly often in comparison to many of the films.

    I will pretend I did not see that... =;

    What's not to like about that film? :D I have no issues holding my hands up as a DAF fan!

    daftweed1-whome.gif
  • jobojobo
    edited August 2020 Posts: 7,507
    Torgeirtrap wrote: »
    jobo wrote: »
    Torgeirtrap wrote: »
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Controversial opinion:

    I actually enjoy DAF more than the '06 CR. At least on my last viewing of CR, which I couldn't quite get through all the way.
    I tend to pop in DAF extremely often.

    DAF is in my top ten, CR is not – and this is the main reason why. I find DAF extremely entertaining and I tend to watch it fairly often in comparison to many of the films.

    I will pretend I did not see that... =;

    What's not to like about that film? :D I have no issues holding my hands up as a DAF fan!

    daftweed1-whome.gif


    Lets not turn this into another DAF bashing fest... ;))

    However I´ll give the short answer in line with an earlier post, that basically the only thing I don´t dislike about the film is the soundtrack.

    In terms of the comparison raised, CR is a guaranteed top three for me, and DAF a guaranteed bottom three.

  • Last_Rat_StandingLast_Rat_Standing Long Neck Ice Cold Beer Never Broke My Heart
    Posts: 4,583
    Torgeirtrap wrote: »
    jobo wrote: »
    Torgeirtrap wrote: »
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Controversial opinion:

    I actually enjoy DAF more than the '06 CR. At least on my last viewing of CR, which I couldn't quite get through all the way.
    I tend to pop in DAF extremely often.

    DAF is in my top ten, CR is not – and this is the main reason why. I find DAF extremely entertaining and I tend to watch it fairly often in comparison to many of the films.

    I will pretend I did not see that... =;

    What's not to like about that film? :D I have no issues holding my hands up as a DAF fan!

    daftweed1-whome.gif

    Im a huge DAF fan but it doesn't hold a candle to CR. IMO
  • IGotABrudderIGotABrudder UK
    Posts: 631
    DAF has never, never been out of my top three, and currently is at the top. Always good to see someone else recognising DAF’s underrated qualities.

    Small world!
  • BT3366BT3366
    Posts: 1,917
    First Bond film I saw new in the cinema and still has a special place and that counts on a personal level even if it doesn't stack up in other ways.
  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou, but I now hear a new dog barkin'
    Posts: 9,026
    The only good things about DAF are the dialogues (possibly the funniest of the entire franchise) and Dame Shirley's title song. It's still only the third-worst Bond movie in my book, and I find it infinitely more re-watchable than the bottom two (TWINE and DAD).
  • TorgeirtrapTorgeirtrap
    edited August 2020 Posts: 17,753
    jobo wrote: »
    Torgeirtrap wrote: »
    jobo wrote: »
    Torgeirtrap wrote: »
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Controversial opinion:

    I actually enjoy DAF more than the '06 CR. At least on my last viewing of CR, which I couldn't quite get through all the way.
    I tend to pop in DAF extremely often.

    DAF is in my top ten, CR is not – and this is the main reason why. I find DAF extremely entertaining and I tend to watch it fairly often in comparison to many of the films.

    I will pretend I did not see that... =;

    What's not to like about that film? :D I have no issues holding my hands up as a DAF fan!

    daftweed1-whome.gif


    Lets not turn this into another DAF bashing fest... ;))

    However I´ll give the short answer in line with an earlier post, that basically the only thing I don´t dislike about the film is the soundtrack.

    In terms of the comparison raised, CR is a guaranteed top three for me, and DAF a guaranteed bottom three.

    Wow! For me everything bar the finale (which could be better, no doubt), is entertainment at it's best. I've never had a bad time watching DAF, whereas CR leaves me kinda indifferent these days. It's too long, and it's not really that rewatchable (my controversial opinion this time around).

  • mattjoesmattjoes Julie T. and the M.G.'s
    edited August 2020 Posts: 7,021
    Torgeirtrap wrote: »
    jobo wrote: »
    Torgeirtrap wrote: »
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Controversial opinion:

    I actually enjoy DAF more than the '06 CR. At least on my last viewing of CR, which I couldn't quite get through all the way.
    I tend to pop in DAF extremely often.

    DAF is in my top ten, CR is not – and this is the main reason why. I find DAF extremely entertaining and I tend to watch it fairly often in comparison to many of the films.

    I will pretend I did not see that... =;

    What's not to like about that film? :D I have no issues holding my hands up as a DAF fan!

    daftweed1-whome.gif
    Same here. A Bond classic; pure unadultered fun, and Connery is magnificent in it. Especially in that gif. I wouldn't want to lose any film of the Moore era, but at the same time I wish Connery had been able to continue playing the role in this style (of course, he was no longer interested).
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
    Posts: 8,182
    I find DAF more watchable than at least half of the films. I simply can't help but get a kick out of it.

    "I'll take it in the john"
  • TorgeirtrapTorgeirtrap
    Posts: 17,753
    mattjoes wrote: »
    Torgeirtrap wrote: »
    jobo wrote: »
    Torgeirtrap wrote: »
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Controversial opinion:

    I actually enjoy DAF more than the '06 CR. At least on my last viewing of CR, which I couldn't quite get through all the way.
    I tend to pop in DAF extremely often.

    DAF is in my top ten, CR is not – and this is the main reason why. I find DAF extremely entertaining and I tend to watch it fairly often in comparison to many of the films.

    I will pretend I did not see that... =;

    What's not to like about that film? :D I have no issues holding my hands up as a DAF fan!

    daftweed1-whome.gif
    Same here. A Bond classic; pure unadultered fun, and Connery is magnificent in it. Especially in that gif. I wouldn't want to lose any film of the Moore era, but at the same time I wish Connery had been able to continue playing the role in this style (of course, he was no longer interested).

    Even the way he holds his hands up there, casually cool yet hilarious, is fantastic! I too wish he could have played a few more films like this (without losing any of the Moore films of course).
  • ThunderballThunderball playing Chemin de Fer in a casino, downing Vespers
    edited August 2020 Posts: 814
    DAF and YOLT being better than GF and TB? 😳 This is why being a member of this forum or being a Bond fan in general can be so... um, interesting, I guess? The (sometimes widely) varying opinions, which are valid. I wouldn’t in a million years put DAF and YOLT over GF and TB, those latter two (especially one of them, you can guess which 🙄) are some of my very, very favorites. I like YOLT, it’s quite good, occasionally great, and DAF is always at least a little better than I always remember it being previously when I watch, but they’re not top tier, AFAIC.
    But then again, I’m sure some would vehemently disagree with me putting TLD and TLK over TSWLM, for example. Good, I say. If we agree on everything Bond, what is there to talk about, in the long run?

    (I also prefer SP to TSWLM. 🤐)
  • AstonLotusAstonLotus
    Posts: 1,394
    Count me in as a DAF fan.Whats interesting is i used to dislike it,but its got what most of the Craig films lack....fun! Connery is great ( even if he wasnt very fit looking ),its very witty,the score is great,and the elevator fight scene is genuinely thrilling.
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