SirHenryLeeChaChing's For Original Fans - Favorite Moments In NTTD (spoilers)

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  • I'm definitely there for the touch of Fleming. The Lazenby reference was a bit of a joke against my own thesis; he was a fine action hero but no kind of actor at all. If anything, Roger Moore showed that Bond needs to be a better actor than an action figure; I could never accept Roger as a dangerous man but he was indeed James Bond (albeit a very different Bond than Connery.) Perhaps we could take an attribute from each actor and assemble the perfect Bond: take Connery's cool, Lazenby's fighting style, and Moore's satrorial elegance...blend in Dalton's intensity, Brosnan's chameleonic nature, and Craig's tenacity. Shake, do not stir, these qualities and... PRESTO! A 007 for the ages!
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    I would say Brosnan's coolness factor, rather than chameleonic ... but yes, I get what you mean. :)
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    So as another way to put it (thanks, @Beatles) for me I guess maybe ~

    Connery's swagger, self confidence
    Lazenby's ... fighting ability, sure
    Moore's lightness of touch & elegance
    Dalton's intensity
    Brosnan's overall cool
    Craig's depth & physicality

    "charm" for me - all had it except Lazenby ... and also Dalton, slightly less (mind you, I love Dalton's Bond)
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Basically, a mix of Dalton & Brosnan would be perfection IMHO.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    Good point! I rather agree. :)
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    chrisisall wrote: »
    Basically, a mix of Dalton & Brosnan would be perfection IMHO.
    Just a little of Craig added, especially when it comes to the fighting.

  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    I agree on that, too. Quite the mix: Dalton, Brosnan & Craig.
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    Though I love Dalton and Craig, the Dalton-Brosnan-Craig mix definitely lacks the off handedness with which Connery and Moore delivered their oneliners - I can't imagine any of the three saying "Shocking, positively shocking" with the same attitude. Or "There's never a seventy year old around when you need one".

    That's an aspect I really enjoyed in Bond movies, which has been absent for some time now, and hasn't been delivered by the last 3 actors quite as well as by Connery and Moore.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    That is why we love each era, really, isn't it? The series has remained fresh, alive, only due to different actors, directors, and slightly varied interpretations. :> I love Moore's Bond, actually. We all have our favorites, and that's great.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Depends on whether you want your Bond cinematic or literary... as of now there's a spectrum, and that's so cool.
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    Might I dare conclude then we're not even looking for a perfect Bond, but for someone who has some traits of the previous actors, but has his own 'speciality'?
    I fully agree on everything that's been said. I even like Lazenby in the role. He isn't really 'good', but most of the film he did quite allright.

    As I'm reading Colonel Sun right now, it struck me that this incarnation only does one thing Bond in my eyes would never do (halfway through the novel) and that is someone outside the service about his personal background (beeing half Scot, half Swiss). But more then that he indeed is a sort of clean slate. Handsome, ruthless, powerful in his movements and purpose, but still a closed book to the outside world. A bit of an enigma.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    I have yet to read Col. Sun, though @royale65 recently did, I believe. I do want to get around to it. I've read maybe 2 or 3 continuation novels but that is one I'm interested in.

    As the for next Bond actor (keep in mind I am still hoping Craig does one more), it would be nice to have someone with strong enough capabilities (good acting is a given) but not per se a "pretty face." I liked Brosnan's looks from the beginning but also I enjoyed his Bond a lot. I don't mind someone good looking ... but it's not a major requirement for me.

    What are the 2 main qualities, you all feel are MOST important to you, for the actor to have? (again, being a decent actor is a given) ~

    For me, I'll say the ability to portray solid self assurance/inner strength ... and the ability to handle light humor smoothly. So for today, those are my two main qualities I want to see, whoever is after Craig.

    All that has been said above are good points, though. B-)
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    I wouldn't go for a decent actor, that's not good enough anymore, nad the problem they have because of Craig. He's such a good actor he will be very hard to follow, and I would expect a new actor's run to be less succesfull, just because of that. So it's going to be very, very difficult indeed (and maybe have another one-film Bond to let us get used to a lower standard).

    I don't really care too much about the humour. His self-assuredness is the main character trait, and his ability to fight without beeing bulky or a martial arts specialist. I think the rest could follow from that.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    I'm just saying we don't need to list acting ability as a trait; that's a given. ;) I agree we need a more than adequate actor as Craig is a very good actor indeed. It WILL be very tough to follow him. (which I hope is not even for the next Bond film ...)

    So for you, @CommanderRoss, 2 most important traits are: self assuredness and a good ability to fight without being bulky or a martial arts specialist.

    OK, who's next? Like we can narrow it down to 2 things ... but give it a go ~ :>
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    . His self-assuredness is the main character trait, and his ability to fight without being bulky or a martial arts specialist. I think the rest could follow from that.
    Yeah, it's okay if he employs an exotic move here or there, but Bond going full-on Donnie Yen just doesn't wash.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    So ... more comfortable in fight scenes than Roger but not having to be a pro at parkour chase like Craig? ;) I agree.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Craig's semi-Parkour was stretching things a bit (for me), yes.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    It was perhaps a bit overdone, though it does make him memorable for that, too.
    I think my favorite Craig fight scene is the stairwell fight in Casino Royale. That was magnificently done (actors, editing, camera work, all of it).
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    I think my favorite Craig fight scene is the stairwell fight in Casino Royale. That was magnificently done (actors, editing, camera work, all of it).
    Yes, and with Slate in QOS, but the Hinx one in SP is MY favourite... and Dan paid a big price for it...
    :(
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    Seriously, I don't get the hate for Spectre. NOT to start a discussion on that here, though .... nononononono ... ;)
  • royale65royale65 Caustic misanthrope reporting for duty.
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    You are correct my dear @4EverBonded, I did read Colonel Sun. Impressions? Well, to begin with I felt as if I was cheating on Fleming. It had all his characters, but, there was a sense of uneasiness to reading Colonel Sun.

    That uneasiness dissipated fairly quickly. Amis' mimics Fleming's prose quite well, but with giving it his own writing spin. Amis' descriptive writing is good, but it seems to be something of a fetish with him, as opposed to Fleming who made it all quite natural.

    Curiously, I haven't pictured my Fleming Bond – a combination between how Fleming described Bond, i.e. tall, lean, dangerous etc - kinda like a Dalton type character, I always felt that he looked the way Fleming described Bond - with a rather shadowy person, allowing me to fill his face in with various Bond actors, such as when the films depict them in familiar scenes a'la Fleming, like Dalton and the Wavekrest warehouse or Moore and the keelhauling.

    For Colonel Sun Bond's, I've been picturing a similar Bond to Moore in FYEO. Amis' Bond and Moore's FYEO Bond have a certain world weariness to them. Also Amis' has set his novel in Greece. :)

    Anyway, I highly recommend you getting this book. It's a fascinating experiment, writing with great respect to Fleming's legacy.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    Yes, when I read Fleming's novels I still do not picture any actor in particular. I kinda like that. I will get around to reading Col. Sun. Thanks for your thoughts on that, @royale65. Also, what main characteristics you think think the next Bond actor should have? (not naming actors, just traits or what you feel is important the actor should have)
    :-B I'd like to hear from a few more people on this. Cheers!
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    I think they will not be influenced by Craig. They will go with the classic six foot tall, dark haired, and screen idol good looks. Like they always did in the past. After 50 years the world has an idea of what James Bond should look like and I daresay EON will stick to that.
    The talk of Idris Alba is a fun discussion and he would make a strong case but so many knuckleheads would go dogshit crazy...maybe some assholes would slit their wrists....so be it. Same goes for a female 007. Its a fun discussion but it probably will never happen.

    Makes me wonder if and when the Bond franchise will ever end? Dr Who is still going strong and who knows. Another 50 years?
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    I hope it does not end for another 50 years. I won't be here of course, but that's my hope.

    Idris would be a wonderful Bond if younger, as I've said before.

    I think they will opt for someone unlike Craig, and more traditional in Bond looks, so to speak, @OHMSS69. I agree. I just do not know if the right candidate is on the radar now. And still Craig IS Bond. And to have him one more time would be the perfect ending.

    So, for after Craig's tenure - in the looks department, we think not a huge departure from Fleming description or the previous (pre-Craig) Bonds. Anyone else think differently?
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    So, for after Craig's tenure - in the looks department, we think not a huge departure from Fleming description or the previous (pre-Craig) Bonds. Anyone else think differently?

    In the books Bond has dark hair and blue eyes...Connery , Brosnan(?) and Laz has brown eyes and Dalton the other dark haired chap has green eyes. The two blue-eyed Bonds Moore and Craig has brown and blond hair.

    Also of the six only Moore and Craig are true Englishmen. will they cast a non-English actor this time around?

    Don't shoot me if I got Brozza's eye color wrong. I never looked that closely at him.

  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    Not shooting you. ;) I love Brosnan even if his eyes were purple.
  • SzonanaSzonana Mexico
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    I think My ideal choice for The Next Bond : would be a mix between Pierce Brosnan, Sean Connery and Daniel Craig.

    Brosnan's sex appeal and good looks.

    Sean Connery's confidence from the very beginning.
    all his succesors got the confidence at their third film but only Sean had it perfectly done since his very first film.

    Daniel Craig's physicallity.
  • NicNacNicNac Administrator, Moderator
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    What makes an actor Bond-worthy?

    Well, if we look at the most successful actors in the role, what is it they bring to the table?
    Connery was very masculine, very cool and totally in control. Moore was easy going, self-mocking at times. Craig was also masculine but edgier than Connery, deeper emotionally.
    In all cases they had charisma. And that Is what makes an actor Bond-worthy. Sheer, undiluted charisma.
    Doesn't matter if they are not Cary Grant handsome (as Craig surely isn't) or Clint Eastwood tough (as Moore isn't), as long as they light up the screen and own the role.

    Dalton gets heralded by the fan community for being the most Fleming-like of all the actors (although I could never see that myself) but an actor needs to be the central point of any film. You mustn't be able to take your eyes off him. Connery was in control, you watched him all the time. This simply wasn't the case with Dalton.

    Of the actors being mentioned I'm semi-impressed with Tom Hiddleston. I'm almost convinced he could carry a big budget movie for 2 hours. If he is successful it really won't matter if he is or isn't like Fleming's Bond, as long as women fancy him and men admire him.
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    I don't think only Charisma would do the trick. I mean, Gary Oldman, who, in my opinion, has loads, would be a good Bond. I haven't seen Hiddleston in The Night Manager, but in his Jag commercial I find he lacks that masculinity that I think should always be there.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    Good thoughts, @Szonana, @NicNac, and @CommanderRoss.
    I do think charisma is important. That can take many forms.
    I was with you, CommanderRoss, until you went all pro Hiddleston on me. ;) No, I feel a strung aversion to him. More than most, I'm sure. Zero appeal.

    Dalton has charisma - however, I think his was less than Sean, Roger, and Pierce. Daniel has his own sort of magnetism. Dalton may have had less of that as Bond, yes. Yet I still enjoyed his Bond very much. I especially liked his Bond's interaction with Kara. That seemed real to me.
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