SirHenryLeeChaChing's For Original Fans - Favorite Moments In NTTD (spoilers)

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  • edited July 2016 Posts: 3,566
    I wanted his partners. :D
  • MrcogginsMrcoggins Following in the footsteps of Quentin Quigley.
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    I have the hat and the umbrella all I need now is Purdy (Mrs Coggins Permitting ) that is ....
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    I wanted his partners. :D
    Touche'.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    I just wanted to be Spider-man. :D
    Later in my teens I wanted to be Kwai-Chang Caine.
  • MrcogginsMrcoggins Following in the footsteps of Quentin Quigley.
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    I'd rather be Michael Caine not a lot of people know that !
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    LOVE Michael Caine, @Mrcoggins. :)
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    LOVE Michael Caine, @Mrcoggins. :)
    Best voice & accent ever!
  • edited July 2016 Posts: 3,566
    I hope you'll all forgive me for my tardiness in returning to my series of reviews re: the Fleming Bond novels. Here, at long last, is my penultimate review:

    YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE (the novel by Ian Fleming)

    Roald Dahl, a long-time friend of Fleming’s and the screenwriter for the movie adaptation of “You Only Live Twice,” has been quoted as saying that the original novel was “Ian Fleming’s worst book, with no plot in it which would even make a movie.” He also stated that the book was a “travelogue.”

    Now, I’ll admit that I’m punching considerably above my weight class in arguing with Mr. Dahl -- but I think he is severely mistaken. In many ways, YOLT is one of my favorite James Bond novels. I’ll admit that, for a variety of reasons, Eon Productions couldn’t make a movie out of a straight adaptation of Fleming’s novel at that particular point in time -- for one thing, YOLT the novel takes place after OHMSS the novel, and follows up on the effect that Tracy Bond’s murder (at the hands of Ernst Stavro Blofeld and his partner, Irma Bunt) has on 007, while YOLT is the fifth Bond movie to be released, hitting theatres BEFORE the release of OHMSS the movie. The revenge plot that is crucial to YOLT the novel couldn’t have been used in YOLT the movie -- so it’s not surprising that a new plot had to be developed. Nonetheless, I must argue that the plot of YOLT could indeed make a very good Bond movie at some point in time…perhaps even in the very NEXT 007 movie, if we stipulate that Bond and Madeleine Swann have “all the time in the world” at the close of BOND 24.

    All that said, YOLT the novel is full of original and unpredictable scenarios. Following Tracy’s assassination, Bond is morose and his work is suffering badly. M tries to shock Bond out of his malaise by sending him to Japan on essentially a diplomatic mission, albeit one with significant uses in the world of espionage. Bond is instructed to persuade the Japanese security system to share information with Her Majesty’s Government…without the letting HM’s American Cousins in on the arrangement. He befriends the head of Japanese Secret Service, Tiger Tanaka, who proves to be one of the great male supporting characters in the Bond pantheon, not quite the equal of Felix Leiter but certainly in good standing alongside Darko Kerim and Marc-Ange Draco. A fair amount of comparisons between Japanese culture and that of the western nations takes place in the conversations between Bond and Tanaka…and Bond finds himself thoroughly enjoying the reception he receives in the Land of the Rising Sun. When Tanaka offers to share the fruits of Magic 44 -- the codename for Japan’s intelligence gathering operation in the USSR -- on the condition that Bond will assassinate one Dr. Shatterhand, a difficult to handle, recent émigré to Japan, without embroiling the Japanese government in the affair, Bond is intrigued. And when he discovers that Dr. Shatterhand is actually a pseudonym for Ernst Stavro Blofeld, Bond undertakes his new mission with a barely-disguised enthusiasm.

    Dr. Shatterhand’s Castle of Death is one of Ian Fleming most offbeat creations in terms of a villain’s hideout, and it is one that is overdue for adaptation into the Bond movie universe. In posing as Dr. Shatterhand, Blofeld has collected specimens of every hazardous plant known to man onto one island off the coast of Japan, stocked the local waters with piranha, and is effectively marketing the place to suicide- (or hara-kiri-) minded Japanese citizens. Holed up in a castle on his island, leaving the safety of that castle only when wearing the protection of samurai armor, Dr. Shatterhand is one of the greatest villains left to be adaptated into the Bond film canon…and the fact that Shatterhand is only a disguise for Blofeld, Bond’s legendary arch-enemy, turns this storyline into an obviously strong contender for the plot of a soon-to-be-coming Bond film.

    In order to infiltrate Shatterhand’s island, Bond is disguised as a Japanese fisherman -- and in Fleming’s hands (unlike those of Lewis Gilbert) the process works. He is “married” to the beautiful Kissy Suzuki and smuggled into a fishing village near the island in question. After a few days fishing alongside the villagers, he swims to the island late at night and…well, let’s not give it all away for the benefit of those who might want to read the novel themselves. Suffice to say, Bond takes his revenge on Blofeld and Bunt…the Castle of Death is destroyed….and in escaping the island, Bond suffers a blow to the head and loses his memory. He is nursed back to health by Kissy, who encourages him to truly believe himself a Japanese fisherman so that she can keep him as her husband. At the novel’s end, Bond has seen a Russian newspaper and the passages that he has read stir his memory. He leaves the pregnant Kissy behind and strikes out for Russia, hungry to understand the importance that this country holds in his befogged brain.

    “What happens next???” the intrigued reader demands to know. At least, that’s my response to this novel. What happens next? Give me the next book in the series, right away! Very few James Bond novels have this insistent quality, and for this point alone, I rate YOLT the novel very highly -- but this point is far from being the novel’s only praiseworthy quality.

    Where Roald Dahl found a travelogue, I find a very intriguing examination of the cultural differences between Japan and the West. Tiger Tanaka’s dismay at the western creation of the handkerchief was especially memorable to me when I first read the book at about the age of 12. Today, one of the most interesting points to me is Bond’s take on the Six Guradians, the gods of the fishing village that has become his temporary abode. While Fleming doesn’t show Bond musing on spiritual matters very often; this is one of the few times that he does. I must admit that this scene did not lodge itself into the mind of young BSE in my first reading of this novel back in the late ‘60s. Today, it is one of my favorite moments in the novel, along with Kissy Suzuki’s descriptions of her impressions of David Niven.

    I have to say that for me, YOLT is one of Fleming’s most memorable books. At this point, Fleming had recently suffered one stroke and had every reason to believe he would not survive another. He comes to the job with his own mortality very much on his mind…and he leaves the reader with a book that will long outlive its creator.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Just imagine if Fleming had died before starting the next one. What a damn ending that would have been to the series!
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    @Beatles thank you for picking up where you'd left! I fully agree on your review. Iguess Dahl just felt annoyed in having to translate this novel to a script that actually worked, without the key plot element!
  • MrcogginsMrcoggins Following in the footsteps of Quentin Quigley.
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    @Beatles Thankyou well worth the wait great review of what is one of my most favourite stories =D>
  • @Thunderfinger: I wonder if Fleming secured the opening scene of TMWTGG with his publisher before taking his customary break between novels -- the strength of that opening scene is so great that the rest of TMWTGG pales in comparison! One wonders if they were indeed written by the same man in the same frame of mind...

    @CommanderRoss, @Mrcoggins: thanks, gentlemen.

    Remember, you're all invited to share your own Fleming reviews!
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    I have to admit that, although I love Roald Dahl and know of his involvement in the YOLT film, I never knew he and Fleming were friends.
  • Info on the friendship between Fleming and Dahl isn't hard to find. Try here:
    https://literary007.com/2014/02/15/the-irregular-lives-of-ian-fleming-and-roald-dahl/
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    I have a topic for discussion here, if you fossils are for it. Maybe it has been done before on some thread, can t remember.

    What constitutes "classic Bond"?

    In the widest meaning.
  • MrcogginsMrcoggins Following in the footsteps of Quentin Quigley.
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    Sex sadism snobbery loyalty to his country how's that for starters Thundy ?.
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    You're forgetting the now famous, as coined by @Khaners, beneign bizarre.
  • Ian Fleming. Sean Connery. Terence Young and/or Guy Hamilton. I'm sorry, those are kind of specific, aren't they?
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Specific enough, I would say. I wasn t talking about traits. Otherwise every book, comic strip or film would be a "classic". I doubt anyone sees it that way.
  • SzonanaSzonana Mexico
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    I have a topic for discussion here, if you fossils are for it. Maybe it has been done before on some thread, can t remember.

    What constitutes "classic Bond"?

    In the widest meaning.


    Id say : The gadgets, Bond getting his mission from M, the love scene at the end and if we are talking about the Bond actors its, charm, sophistication and being a ladies man.

  • SzonanaSzonana Mexico
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    I don't think the gadgets need be there. They weren't always.

    Not always but have become so iconic that makes them a classic thing in the franchise.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    For me the classic films are the ones from the 60s. You could probably throw in the next six as well, if you want.

    The classic comic strips are the ones drawn by McLusky and Horak.

    Classic books is the easiest: Fleming. I haven t read Colonel Sun yet, so have no argument against it other than it not being Fleming. Seems like it is highly regarded, and it came out right after the initial run, so could it be included?

    You can discuss all other aspects in the films, too.

    Classic MI6 team: Lee, Maxwell, Llewellyn.

    Classic theme songs? Again anything from the 60s, with a couple from the 70s thrown in there as well.

    @4EverBonded, I don t mean to take over the thread. But I do find it particularly interesting to read what people think about these terms, especially those who were around in the early days.
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    I'll say this in regards to "Classic" Bond elements.....................all the films in last few years have been missing them and have replaced Bondian entertainment with relevancy, an over reliance on action and political correctness.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    I still think CR may be considered a classic film in the future. It all depends on your definition of "classic", doesn t it?

    The true definition of the word is "something of the highest class", i.e. something superior.

    Nowadays it is used more in the sense "something that has stood the test of time". often meaning something from a specific era.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    @Thunderfinger and @YouFossils

    For me classic Bond is GOLDFINGER and THE SPY WHO LOVED ME (and to some extend GOLDENEYE)

    Because I think GF and TSWLM have influenced the franchise the most. TSWLM may even have saved the franchise. And again the franchise was rescued with GE which also has brought a complete new generation to the Bond movies.

    All three movies defined the franchise for some time to come.

    Maybe Skyfall also belongs to that category. But with only one movie after it, it's too soon to call it a classic or being the fourth defining Bond movie.

    As for classic traits, that's casino scenes, shaken not stirred, Bond on ski, Bond underwater, Bond bantering with Moneypenny, Bond getting lectured by Q and M.
    Bond in Switzerland, Bond driving unusual vehicles. Just to name a few.
  • The problem with trying to define "classic" Bond and shape new Bond films that way, is that's how we got Tomorrow Never Dies ... which too many fans then derided as "Bond by the numbers." Do I want gadgets? yes, reasonably designed gadgets are fine. They may not have "always" been there but they made their first appearance in FRWL and that's plenty classic for me. A classic Bond film should have enough of the time-tested and audience-approved bits that Bond fandom can feel comfortable with it -- but not EVERY modern Bond film needs to have the Aston Martin DB5 and a martini shaken not stirred. I would like to have Bond get a mission that has no connection whatsoever to his past or M's past or Moneypenny's current lover. I'd like a villain with some outrageous quirk similar to (but not exactly duplicating!) metal hands or a gold fetish or a white Persian cat. Someone with a world-shattering scheme that is somehow plausible, like stealing a couple of atomic bombs and holding the world for ransom. Maybe even someone with a hideout that costs 3 times what he expects to make off of his world-shattering scheme. I'll stop just short of requesting some frikkin' sharks with frikkin' laser beams attached...is that too much to ask?
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    Good topic, @Thunderfinger. :> I think"classic" is inevitably also joined with "formula" when we are talking Bond films. So that means people will have pros and cons; some quite strong. For me, I like much of the Bond formula as we've had in the films through these decades. But a genuinely classic Bond film is more than just the formula (gadgets, stunning exotic locations, luxurious lifestyles, beautiful Bond girls, villain; oh and the British touch, including humor). AVTAK had all of that and I do not consider it classic Bond at all.

    So, in my opinion, in addition to the elements that make up the formula, I think "classic" also means "first rate" and "timeless" and "a cut above." Therefore, although it did not feel like a retread of the Bond formula, and indeed felt more rooted to Fleming and was a distinctly strong departure from the previous Bond film, I think Casino Royale is a classic Bond film.

  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    Which do I feel are classic? Going solely with my gut reaction:

    Dr. No
    Goldfinger
    Thunderball
    The Spy Who Loved Me
    For Your Eyes Only
    The Living Daylights
    Goldeneye
    Casino Royale
    Skyfall

    Yes, I find I am putting Skyfall in there. I'll have to mull that over why I feel that is true. But it is for me.

    Who's next? :)
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    NOTE: I have plenty of the Bond films I love - and TND is one of those - but I just don't put them into my special little cabinet called "classic." And I do have Goldfinger there, even though it drags for me and is not the thoroughly sparkling gem I sort of want it to be. But it is iconic in many ways. It's on the list. I think all of our lists will vary, honestly.
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    Interesting way of looking at it. For me the following are absolute classics:

    Dr. No,
    From Russia With Love,
    Thunderball,
    On Her Majesty's Secret Service,
    Live and Let Die,
    For Your Eyes Only,
    The Living Daylights,
    Goldeneye,
    Casino Royale,
    Quantum of Solace,
    Skyfall.

    Concluding that Lazenby is a Lucky devil with his 100% score ;-)
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