SirHenryLeeChaChing's For Original Fans - Favorite Moments In NTTD (spoilers)

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  • edited August 2020 Posts: 824
    My journey with Bond started with an Aunt, my Mum's sister, who was a big fan of the books and had read them all and was always talking about them. In August/September 1962 the London Underground had yellow and red posters saying 007...............Come the film's London premiere, Sean Connery and Zena Marshall were interviewed on early evening TV and both looked and sounded superb.. My Dad had a Grundig reel to reel tape recorder and used to record late night Radio Luxembourg music programmes. When playing back, we noticed the James Bond Theme and loved it's power and energy that seemed to be the gate into a new world. As did the poster for the film. The images of Ursula Andress, Zena Marshall and Eunice Gayson seemed to signify a high degree of desirability combined with unattainability. That whole new world was opening up..........and I had yet to see the film!
  • Yes, please do!
  • More tomorrow.
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    More tomorrow.
    Cool! Looking foreward to it!

    (as to @Birdleson ,@BeatlesSansEarmuffs , @delfloria ..)
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Always refreshing to hear the OG perspectives. The closest we have to Bond fandom is probably those who got into Star Trek and Star Wars in the 60s and 70s. Otherwise, not a ton of other franchises out there as old and still active to this very day.
  • edited August 2020 Posts: 3,566
    My Bond Experience Part II:

    As they were children of the depression, my parents were never very big on going out to the movies. I think they saw them as an unnecessary expense. Any films they watched were seen at home, for free, on television. In my early childhood, I managed to wheedle them into letting me see an occasional Disney film on the big screen -- re-releases of Pinocchio, Snow White, 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea. Always, my parents would drive me to the theater, leave me with the funds for my entry and a bag of popcorn, and arrange to pick me up when the movie was over.

    As I got a little older and developed my musical tastes I managed a double-feature showing of Help! and A Hard Day's Night. But when it came to seeing the Bond films, I suspected at first that these might seem a little "mature" for my pre-teen self, and I shied away from asking for this largess. Finally, though, when I was about 12...late in the original run of Thunderball... a local theater held a one-day only triple feature: a showing of Dr. No, Goldfinger, AND Thunderball! All in one afternoon -- for the low price of one simple admission! Cheap enough that I couldn't say (Doctor) No -- and neither could my parents! So I went & spent one Saturday afternoon absolutely immersed in the Bond experience! Even at the time, my critical senses were fully engaged. I thought TB's editing was a little fast & rough... the final battle between Bond & Dr. No should have been drawn out a little longer... but Goldfinger; ah, Goldfinger was just perfect! At that point I had seen 3 of the existing 4 Bond films and thought myself quite the connoisseur of 007 filmography.

    But the future had much, much more Bond ahead! I spent the time waiting for the next Bond flick reading as many of Ian Fleming's 007 novels as could be found at my local library. Some of them were quite surprising -- like "The Spy Who Loved Me." Or that torture scene in Fleming's "Casino Royale" -- how could THAT ever be adapted for the screen, my 13 year old mind wondered! 1967's Casino Royale film was obviously not a REAL James Bond movie, so I could safely ignore it... but when You Only Live Twice came out, just a little later that year, I was (perhaps foolishly) inclined to hold out for the perfect Bond movie experience. Dammitall, I wanted a double bill of YOLT and the one Bond movie I hadn't yet seen, From Russia With Love! So I held on. Waiting...and waiting...and waiting some more, until without warning... *POOF!* You Only Live Twice disappeared from my local movie screens -- soon to be replaced by a Bond movie that didn't even star Sean Connery as James Bond! Well, nertz! What's a discriminating Bond fan supposed to do now?

    (To Be Continued! BeatlesSansEarmuffs will return, with the same old blowhard in the title role...)
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    I wouldn’t have had the patience to wait for a double bill for the new film, I would have watched YOLT ay ess ay pee. Especially in an era when home video was just something of one’s dreams.
  • edited August 2020 Posts: 3,566
    One point I'll be getting into with my next installment: by 1967 I was getting much of my heroic action fix from a couple of guys named Stan & Jack...in the privacy of my own home:

    There's a fair amount of "current culture critique" circa 1967-69 in the next episode. Don't miss it!
  • edited August 2020 Posts: 3,566
    Birdleson wrote: »
    I loved the ‘60s Marvel and DC cartoons.

    Thanks for giving me a reason to post THIS then:


  • edited August 2020 Posts: 3,566
    I've long been of the opinion that '60s Pop culture can be summed up by invoking the 3 "B"s: Bond, the Beatles...and Batman. In 1962, Dr. No was released -- and by 1964 the Spy craze was in full swing. From television (with The Man From U.N.C.L.E, and Get Smart) to movies (Matt Helm, Our Man Flint, etc.) to all manner of printed material, spies were suddenly all too easy to find. Another pop phenomenon taking place in 1964, the British Invasion of the American musical charts, was led by the Beatles -- with the assault being bolstered by the likes of the Dave Clark 5, the Rolling Stones, the Kinks, and many more. Soon some American pop groups (such as the Beau Brummels) were positioning themselves to appear as if they were Brits. And then, in 1966, the third and final "B" of the aPOPcalypse began appearing on American television: the Batman TV show was an unexpected sensation...and suddenly, comic book superheroes were the newest and coolest thing in the minds of American youth.

    Now please remember: I was born in 1954, and my attitudes and concerns were very much those of most anyone else of my age. In 1964 I was 10 years old. Both Bond and the Beatles were cool. By 1966 I was 12 years of age... and as the saying would have it, "The Golden Age of Comics" is when you are 12. Additional, most anything you liked at the age of 10 is terribly passe' by the time you reach the ripe old age of 13. So while Bond and the spy craze was starting to run out of steam (fads tend to run very hot for a very brief time -- then cool off even faster than they originally caught fire) there was a new type of colorful adventurer capturing the collective zeitgeist of the time... heroes who wore costumes, capes, and cowls. If it had been just Batman ruling the cultural roost for a few years, I suspect the comics craze would have worn out around 1968... but there was something else, something fresh and new and really exciting, shooting off fireworks every week at our local newsstands.

    That something else was the ground-breaking work of artists like Jack Kirby and Steve Ditko, yoked to the storytelling sensibilities of scripter/editor Stan Lee. That something else was the Marvel Comics Group...and if you have any appreciation for the movies being put out by Marvel Studios now, please understand that the 12 cent miracles appearing on the newsstands from 1961-1968 were their precursors. The X-Men, the Avengers, the Fantastic Four...Spider-Man, the Hulk, Dr. Strange... all these and more were available routinely -- heady, inexpensive, and obvious classics-in-the-making. I must admit, I was willing to push James Bond into a secondary space in my consciousness for awhile, as long as I had Nick Fury, Agent of S.H.I.E.L.D. appearing every month -- particularly when he was being written and drawn by the incomparable Jim Steranko.

    (More to come shortly... BSE)
  • edited August 2020 Posts: 3,566
    Also in the sociopolitical mix circa 1968: psychedelics, college protests, and a different sort of pop music that blended these to both reflect and bolster social change. The bands that rode that wave (like the Beatles) stayed current in the public mind, the bands that did not (like the Dave Clark 5) were quickly considered outmoded. Bands like The Byrds (with their version of Pete Seeger's antiwar ballad, "Turn, Turn, Turn") and Buffalo Springfield (with Steven Stills' "For What It's Worth") were a moderate take (receiving strong AM radio play for their troubles) on the radical sounds that The Jefferson Airplane ("White Rabbit") and Steppenwolf ("Born to be Wild") were putting out on the newer and more experimental FM stations. In 1969, the actor who had been chosen to play James Bond in On Her Majesty's Secret Service stated before the movie's release that he would only be playing the role once, believing Bond to be an outmoded character. Yes, looking at the situation now we can easily dismiss his short-sighted evaluation... but at the time it was an assessment that didn't necessarily seem off-base.

    Just to give you a taste of the music of 1969: from Woodstock, here's Jefferson Airplane's song about a free concert in San Francisco's Golden Gate Park -- "Won't You Try (Saturday Afternoon)"



    BeatlesSansEarmuffs will return soon... with Sean Connery in tow!
  • Not necessarily. My first viewing of OHMSS was the famous ABC re-edit using a mixmaster in the mid-70s. ;)
  • edited August 2020 Posts: 3,566
    So, okay, to sum it up: after having seen 3 of the first 4 Bond films circa 1966, I stubbornly missed YOLT by holding out for another dose of the perfect Bond experience... and gave OHMSS a cold shoulder because -- well, just because. George Lazenby wasn't really Bond to me... all the critics said so, and in a very real way, the Lazzer said so himself by declining to even consider doing a second Bond film. Pretty much everybody in the film-going world panned his performance terribly, he wasn't a "professional actor" and didn't know how to play the game by giving us a reason to react favorably to his efforts. Besides, I'd already read the Fleming novel and knew what was going to happen: the film was going to end on a real down note, and I just didn't want that. I was busy being a teenager; and as anyone who's ever been one will tell you, teenagers can be terribly, remorselessly opinionated -- cynical and jaded one moment, unrealistically idealistic the next, absolutely without patience for anything that doesn't conform to their own sense of how the world ought to be and damned well WILL BE in just a little bit once WE get the keys to run this bloody machine! So I just kept on in that perfect, blissful state of learning how to be ME...and for a while, James Bond 007 was an outdated concept that really didn't have much place in my consciousness, any more than Popeye or Mighty Mouse. I was more interested in the next Grateful Dead record, or in trying to find a way to make an impression on that "Little Red-Headed Girl" who'd suddenly developed into a very distracting young lady. And then, on Christmas Eve of 1971, Bond re-entered my life...in the form of two friends who showed up on my doorstep just as the obligatory family Christmas dinner was drawing to a close . "Let's go see the new James Bond movie!" they said. "It's got the REAL James Bond back in it!" Sounded like a lot more fun to 17-year old me than trying to find some wholesome family Christmas experience that none of my family genuinely felt up for at that moment, innocently estranged from one another as we were. So three teen-aged males piled into the jalopy of the moment and rumbled off to the local drive-in to see Diamonds Are Forever. There was only one thing my friends had neglected to tell me: tapped out by Christmas expenses, they didn't have any money to get their car into the drive-in theater. For that matter, neither did I. This was going to be a clandestine mission on a view to the latest Bond movie...

    BeatlesSansEarmuffs will return to the '70s someday soon...
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Keep 'em coming, everyone, I'm really enjoying these.
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    Regarding that guy who replaced Connery, I was one of those fans who was crushed to hear that Connery had stepped away and as far as I was concerned it was the end of the series. I will never forget in 1969 how by the end of the pre-title sequence and awesome theme I was totally captivated by Bond once again. Many people postulate that OHMSS would have been so much better with Connery, but had he starred in it, I can't help but think we would have ended another mindless adventure like YOLT.
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    I...gave OHMSS a cold shoulder because -- well, just because. George Lazenby wasn't really Bond to me... all the critics said so... Pretty much everybody in the film-going world panned his performance terribly

    My Dad (now 76 and still with us) is a first generation Bond fan--he saw Dr. No in the theater when it was first released--and he regularly re-watched Bond films on TV and VHS when I was growing up, so there was never a time when I didn't know of 007. Back when I was 8 years old we were staying at a hotel on a family vacation--in Switzerland of all places!--and while channel-surfing I came across the end of marriage scene from OHMSS. "Oh," groaned Dad, "it's that other guy who came after Connery. This is the one where he gets married and his wife dies. You can change the channel. Just look at that guy, he's terrible." I was so interested by the weirdness of Bond being married that I kept watching, though Mom and Dad occasionally poured further scorn on Lazenby.

    That was back in 1989, so even 20 years after OHMSS's release many members of the public continued to view Lazenby and his film as a shameful failed experiment, a one-off freak, fit to suppressed and rarely spoken of.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    I remember during the 2002 when ABC was running the short lived James Bond Picture Show, they did this thing where one of their sitcom casts would essentially act as hosts for the program but do it in character. So there was a bit in ACCORDING TO JIM where the characters name drop their favorite Bond actors and then James Belushi’s character says his favorite was Lazenby, and his TV family gives him a look as if he said something utterly insane. Worth noting that for this Bond special they totally skipped OHMSS entirely. Eventually the program ended with TMWTGG due to low ratings, as movie nights on major broadcast channels were no longer a big thing in an era of commercial free channels like HBO and the availability of DVD.
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    Fascinating reads, gents! (especially with the Kinks in the background. Allthough, for @BeatlesSansEarmuffs , I perhaps should've played 'snowblind friend'by Steppenwolf? ;-)
  • edited August 2020 Posts: 3,566
    Fascinating reads, gents! (especially with the Kinks in the background. Allthough, for @BeatlesSansEarmuffs , I perhaps should've played 'snowblind friend'by Steppenwolf? ;-)

    Play whatever you like. As a longtime resident of the San Francisco Bay area I have a fondness for the SF bands, especially the lesser-known entities like Quicksilver Messenger Service, Moby Grape, and It's a Beautiful Day. In fact, here's IABD's initial album in its entirety. Don't say I never did you any favors...

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    I remember during the 2002 when ABC was running the short lived James Bond Picture Show, they did this thing where one of their sitcom casts would essentially act as hosts for the program but do it in character. So there was a bit in ACCORDING TO JIM where the characters name drop their favorite Bond actors and then James Belushi’s character says his favorite was Lazenby, and his TV family gives him a look as if he said something utterly insane. Worth noting that for this Bond special they totally skipped OHMSS entirely. Eventually the program ended with TMWTGG due to low ratings, as movie nights on major broadcast channels were no longer a big thing in an era of commercial free channels like HBO and the availability of DVD.
    Not surprising. Back in 1980 when HBO was rising, it broadcast most of the Bond films through MR that summer and guess which film didn't get an airing? OHMSS and I think maybe LALD was the other. I had the programming guide at one time.

    ABC did do a good job televising OHMSS pretty regularly throughout the 80s. I caught it on a Friday night in March 1980 where I fell in love with it and in the summer of '82 I taped it on a Beta VCR during another airing and I know if was played the next year too. Critic Gene Siskel summed up the attitude toward Lazenby at the time on the Siskel and Ebert Bond special in '83 by calling him the answer to a trivia question.
  • edited August 2020 Posts: 3,566
    Good afternoon and welcome to the latest installment of "Strange But True History of the '60s & '70s (Featuring Stuff You May Not Have Even Heard Of But Believe Me, There Is A Connection...)":

    In 1971, (the year that DAF was released, if you may recall) a fellow named Abbie Hoffman wrote and managed to get published a tome with the unlikely title of "Steal This Book." Abbie was already famous as a political radical, member of the Chicago 8 (soon to become the Chicago 7) and general gadfly of the American political & cultural scene. If you've never heard of him, well, the internet is your friend. Use it. But you don't really need to know more than this: a friend of mine had a copy of the book, and he didn't actually, y'know, PAY for it. I read his copy, then gave it back. Supposedly the book was a best seller, but I don't really know how that could have been: NOBODY I knew went out & bought a copy. Nonetheless, a lot of copies of that book were suddenly all around circa 1971. I suppose I ought to make clear that the basic point of the book was: here's how to get and do a lot of stuff without actually paying money for it. And this was, surprise-surprise, a fairly popular position to take among certain segments of "the youth culture" in 1971. Free concerts were just the beginning for us at that time...

    All of which is intended to give a context to the following admission: when some friends and I took in a Christmas Eve 1971 showing of Diamonds Are Forever at the local Drive-In theater, we didn't actually pay any money for our admissions. Nor, for that matter, did we drive in. Instead, we parked our car on the street outside the theater, and just walked in the unguarded Exit near the screen itself (gate locked to prevent cars from entering surreptitiously but nothing to prevent stealthy pedestrians) .... found an unoccupied space not far from that screen (there were several available) ... stretched two or three sound speakers as close to us as could be managed, and turned the sound to the maximum for each of those speakers. Then we hunkered down in the space that we had claimed, and pulled out our various forms of refreshment, liquid and/or otherwise. And we enjoyed the latest 007 film, that last one to feature "the REAL James Bond" in the role that had made him famous. California winters can be pretty mild...and while I don't remember being particularly uncomfortable for the next couple of hours, I DO recall watching that movie with the secret thrill of a teenager getting away with something that he or she really ought not be doing.

    So all that aside Mrs. Lincoln, what did you think of the play? Well, I wasn't really all that pleased with the humorous direction the series was obviously taking at that point... and certain aspects of the film-makers' art were clearly not being observed very closely. Why did Plenty O'Toole suddenly show up dead in Tiffany Case's pool? And what the heck is going on with that car stunt where the left-side wheels are off the ground at one point, only for them to become right-side wheels OTG a moment later? Even in my befuddled state from my less-than-optimal viewpoint at that time, I could tell that there were some significant problems with this particular Bond film. Still, it was Connery as Bond...and all things considered, we got more than got our money's worth. Nonetheless, the '70s were clearly not going to just be the '60s ten years later. Could James Bond 007 survive in the Brave New World That's Coming?

    BeatlesSanEarmuffs will return soon with a REAL Beatle in tow!
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    Great stuff! Nice background, I had no idea that had been 'a thing'. I've never understood daf's appeal, but in a world where information is scarse, the fact that there's a new film itself must've been exciting enough to look over the gaffe"s.
  • edited September 2020 Posts: 3,566
    I didn't actually see the next Bond film, 1973's Live and Let Die, on its original theatrical release. Not really sure why, other than to say that my life was kind of full at that point in time and my wallet wasn't. I graduated from high school in the summer of 1972... also got my first (minimum wage) job not long thereafter...also moved into a house that was shared with several friends at about the same time. Truth being told, my life was a bit more centered around The Fabulous Furry Freak Brothers than around James Bond 007 at that point in time. I was aware of Paul McCartney's theme song for LALD, of course, and was vaguely curious how Maurice Binder's opening title sequence might sync up with Macca's abrupt mood and tempo changes...but perhaps I still wasn't ready for a new actor playing Bond, even if Roger Moore was a known quantity to me. Or maybe I just didn't have room in my tightly-budgeted life for much movie going at that time. The Man With the Golden Gun, released in 1974, received even less attention from me than had LALD. You can blame Don McGregor for that.

    One thing I do remember from those halcyon days is an absolutely scathing review of TMWTGG that saw print in one of Marvel Comics' martial-arts based B&W comics magazines, scribed by the future comic book adapter (for Topps Comics) of the Goldeneye film. Mr. McGregor was working for Marvel at the time, and was evidently even less enamored of the Bond series' turn towards camp humor than I was. To put it bluntly, his review did not give me any reason to want to rush out and see the then-current Bond film. I was more impressed by the Neal Adams cover for that issue of Marvel's Deadly Hands of Kung Fu -- depicting Bond at Hi Fat's martial arts school -- than I was by anything I'd learned about the movie itself in that magazine. I certainly don't remember if the review even mentioned Sheriff J.W. Pepper, a character whose existence I was blissfully ignorant of at that time...
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    https://pencilink.blogspot.com/2018/10/deadly-hands-of-kung-fu-12-neal-adams.html

    Bond or the Freak Brothers? In the early '70s, who do YOU suppose was more interesting to the twenty-year old BSE?
  • edited September 2020 Posts: 3,566
    Finally, in 1976, the stand-off between me and the non-Connery incarnations of James Bond was resolved. The infamous ABC re-edit of On Her Majesty's Secret Service aired in two parts over American television... and I finally saw George Lazenby's one and only performance as James Bond. To be honest, he wasn't as bad as I'd anticipated. The editing job done by the ABC television network was sort of mystifying, but hey! -- I'd already read the book, I could follow the storyline despite ABC's best efforts. And Lazenby's performance as Bond was quite adequate, really -- entirely convincing in the action sequences, sorta weak with the dialogue when he wasn't being dubbed for his sequences as Sir Hillary Bray. Actually fairly good in his scenes with Diana Rigg...but then, who wouldn't have fallen in love with Diana Rigg at that point in time? Still, Lazenby's genuine tears at Tracy's death sealed the deal for me. I had finally begun to re-think my disdain for the concept of other actors besides Sean Connery playing James Bond.

    So one afternoon shortly thereafter, I found a local theater that was showing a double-bill of LALD and TMWTGG -- and took the plunge into what was then Roger Moore's entire tenure as James Bond. To my mind, it was a mixed bag. I still didn't care for the humorous direction the series had taken... Moore was the exact opposite of George Lazenby, entirely appropriate for scenes as the suave, sophisticated British agent but less than convincing when it came to throwing a punch. Mr. Big's plastic face was pretty lame, but his line-up of henchmen was fun... and J.W. Pepper was completely at home in the Louisiana bayou but entirely out of place in Thailand. And so it went throughout the course of the afternoon: for every really cool element of the films in question (the relationship between Scaramanga and Nick Nack) there was a poor one (Bond needing to be rescued by the Kung Fu schoolgirls? Really??? I left the theater reconciled to the idea that Roger Moore was now James Bond... but only just barely.
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    It wasn't until The Spy Who Loved Me was released that I could fully accept the "reality" of Roger Moore as James Bond. Okay, so this was a very different 007 than Connery's definitive rendition... but still, a Bond that demanded to be appreciated in its own right. As Carly Simon's theme song assured us, "Nobody Does it Better" -- and having a song like that all over the airwaves a few weeks before the movie was released, did a lot to rekindle my old familiar fondness for the 007 series. The opening stunt with the fabulous ski-jump off Mt. Asgard...the eeriness of the scenes among the pyramids...the introduction of Jaws, one of the series' greatest henchmen... and finally, the submersible Lotus Esprit. Totally unbelievable but absolutely enthralling. Yes, Moore's Bond was finally a proper Bond. It may have played up the humor a bit more than I thought appropriate... it may have taken the science-fictional elements of the stories somewhat farther than I cared for... but still, this was a Bond that suited his times. By film's end, I was eagerly awaiting the series' next installment. James Bond was expected to return in For Your Eyes Only. Little did any of us suspect what was about to happen long ago and far away...

    BeatlesSansEarmuffs will return to the exotic '70s ... someday. Never say never!
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    Thank you for your experiences @BeatlesSansEarmuffs ! I'm starting to understand how you had to grow into Moore as Bond (fascinating to read that the 'Sean Connery light' Lazenby was of good help there). And how Moore's adaptation had to grow on you. Its funny how that is different for us 'young' fans, whom had the chance of seeing the films in short order (TV permitting) and at least already knowing that several actors have played the role.
    I never really liked TSWLM (even though that stunt is amazing), but I'm starting to see the role the film must've played for those who were losing interest.
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    Thanks, @CommanderRoss. Yes, trying to give a sense of the context for these earlier Bond films is exactly what I'm striving for here. TSWLM was, for me at least, the moment in which the intent of the series for Moore's tenure as 007 became clear. LALD was "colored" somewhat by the need to utilize the novels' most racially-charged storyline at the time when it would be most likely to be commercially successful -- that is, during the "blaxploitation" film boom. TMWTGG was a mixed bag of high and low points, often within moments of each other. "Speak now or forever hold your...piece." It wasn't until TSWLM that the series at least hit the mark it was aiming for, to my eyes at least...and "Moonraker" was another film that was significantly affected by the movie environment of its day. Long ago in a galaxy called the '70s, the first Star Wars film (you can call it episode IV if you want but BSE don't play dat) did record breaking box office and made the world safe for sci-fi spectacles. So "For Your Eyes Only" was pushed back for obvious marketing purposes, and 007 went to the Moonraker instead...
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    And of course, it's always possible that I can be making a casual reference to something like "blaxploitation" -- expecting that the rest of you are going to know exactly what i'm talking about -- and you really don't have more than the vaguest idea of what I'm talking about. So the next time you watch LALD, before you follow Bond into Harlem -- first take a listen to this: Isaac Hayes with the theme to "Shaft." Can you dig it?

  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    @BeatlesSansEarmuffs that certainly gives a swing to the idea!
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