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  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    talos7 wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    I saw some photos of him apparently on holiday with the family in Croatia, so it doesn't look like it yet.

    @mtm
    My girlfriend has a friend who is vacationing in Croatia; the other night she was at the same restaurant as Harrison. He’s looking good, hopefully he’s close to being camera ready. It looks like they’re being creative about shooting around his injury

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    Oh wow, that’s amazing! :)
  • JamesCraigJamesCraig Ancient Rome
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    He looks great!
  • ZekidkZekidk
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    https://www.siracusanews.it/indiana-jones-5-riprese-anche-tra-siracusa-e-noto/
  • DoctorNoDoctorNo USA-Maryland
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    Could be most scenic of Indy movies
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Lovely location. I hope it is represented as itself.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Some ancient Greek mythology (which they do have there apparently) would be lovely in an Indy.
    Apparently they were supposed to film there in August but it's been rescheduled: I think they go to Morocco first. Signs are that they have actually now shut down filming for the time being- seems like they may have run out of Harrison-less stuff to shoot.
  • ZekidkZekidk
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    Thunderfinger wrote: »
    Lovely location. I hope it is represented as itself.
    Most likely it will double for Greece. Regarding the temple, it is linked to the mythology of the Trojan wars.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Zekidk wrote: »
    To me, Indiana Jones is an archeologist. He deals with history, searches for religious or historical important artifacts and stuff that belongs in a museum.

    Nothing you say here is contradicted in the fourth film. It's not like crystal skulls and legends of faraway beings teaching humans technology is a novel concept. The myth of aliens visiting Earth is as old as religion.
  • ZekidkZekidk
    edited August 2021 Posts: 3,278
    @MakeshiftPython
    Just because something is a myth doesn't mean it should be included. In greek mythology there are stories about goddesses being birthed from clam shells or what about Circe, who cast some magic on the food that turned his men into pigs. And don't get me started on Norse Mythology.

    Indy chasing the Arc of the covenant or the holy grail - that I find fascinating, and I don't have issues suspending my disbelief here. But aliens?..... for me, that's just too far out there and belongs in a totally different genre.

  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    @Zekidk I can't understand why addressing aliens is "too far out there", but that's clearly your issue so I guess we'll agree to disagree.
  • ZekidkZekidk
    edited August 2021 Posts: 3,278
    @MakeshiftPython
    I'm far from the only one with this issue:

    "The legendary director has a message for Indiana Jones fans: Don’t blame “Kingdom of the Crystal Skull” on me. Spielberg told Empire magazine the film’s big reveal, or in Alfred Hitchcock parlance “the MacGuffin,” that the skulls belonged to aliens was executive producer George Lucas’s idea. “I sympathize with people who didn’t like the MacGuffin because I never liked the MacGuffin,” Spielberg said. “George and I had big arguments about the MacGuffin. I didn’t want these things to be either aliens or inter-dimensional beings. But I am loyal to my best friend."
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-indianajones-idUSTRE79P87520111026
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    I have a bigger problem with the ridiculous “ Nuking the Fridge “ than I do the aliens storyline, not the to mention the amphibious boat over the waterfalls and the monkeys.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    talos7 wrote: »
    I have a bigger problem with the ridiculous “ Nuking the Fridge “ than I do the aliens storyline, not the to mention the amphibious boat over the waterfalls and the monkeys.

    Pretty much. I can roll with the MacGuffin, it’s so many other things that were problematic. Like they introduced a jungle plowing machine but instead of doing something fun with that in a set piece Indy just blows it up with a bazooka. Like, WHY?!
  • ZekidkZekidk
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    All the silly stuff, the CGI animals, who seem to pop out everywhere, is pure Lucas. It has been reported that the first 40 minutes was pretty much Spielberg, and the rest of the movie a Lucas vehicle. Im glad that Lucas isn't attached to Indy V.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    MakeshiftPython wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    I have a bigger problem with the ridiculous “ Nuking the Fridge “ than I do the aliens storyline, not the to mention the amphibious boat over the waterfalls and the monkeys.

    Pretty much. I can roll with the MacGuffin, it’s so many other things that were problematic. Like they introduced a jungle plowing machine but instead of doing something fun with that in a set piece Indy just blows it up with a bazooka. Like, WHY?!

    Yeah, that's my main gripe with that scene too: it did feel like a massive opportunity thrown away.
  • mattjoesmattjoes Pay more attention to your chef
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    Great locations for this new film. And that horseback parade scene looks like classic Indy action.
  • TR007TR007
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    Zekidk wrote: »
    All the silly stuff, the CGI animals, who seem to pop out everywhere, is pure Lucas. It has been reported that the first 40 minutes was pretty much Spielberg, and the rest of the movie a Lucas vehicle. Im glad that Lucas isn't attached to Indy V.
    I don’t think that’s true. Where was that reported? It just sounds like unnecessary Lucas bashing to me.
  • DoctorNoDoctorNo USA-Maryland
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    Agreed. Spielberg did a terrible job with Crystal Skull, it was not all on Lucas.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    DoctorNo wrote: »
    Agreed. Spielberg did a terrible job with Crystal Skull, it was not all on Lucas.

    Exactly, which is why I welcome Mangold taking the reins for this entry; I don’t think Spielberg’s heart is into this type of film anymore.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    I think it's fair to say both Spielberg and Lucas failed. It's not one or the other.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    MakeshiftPython wrote: »
    I think it's fair to say both Spielberg and Lucas failed. It's not one or the other.

    Lucas started it, Spielberg finished it.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Lucas is ultimately the boss, so whatever Spielberg does is all under Lucas' watch.
  • ZekidkZekidk
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    TR007 wrote: »
    Zekidk wrote: »
    All the silly stuff, the CGI animals, who seem to pop out everywhere, is pure Lucas. It has been reported that the first 40 minutes was pretty much Spielberg, and the rest of the movie a Lucas vehicle. Im glad that Lucas isn't attached to Indy V.
    I don’t think that’s true. Where was that reported?
    I don't remember where, but I remember it as remarkable. That was probably the moment I thought to myself "that's why I prefer the first half hour." I loved Darabonts script, too. Sadly Lucas had made up his mind about all the alien-stuff. I envy those who don't have an issue with this.
  • TR007TR007
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    Zekidk wrote: »
    TR007 wrote: »
    Zekidk wrote: »
    All the silly stuff, the CGI animals, who seem to pop out everywhere, is pure Lucas. It has been reported that the first 40 minutes was pretty much Spielberg, and the rest of the movie a Lucas vehicle. Im glad that Lucas isn't attached to Indy V.
    I don’t think that’s true. Where was that reported?
    I don't remember where, but I remember it as remarkable. That was probably the moment I thought to myself "that's why I prefer the first half hour." I loved Darabonts script, too. Sadly Lucas had made up his mind about all the alien-stuff. I envy those who don't have an issue with this.

    I'll believe that when I see it.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited August 2021 Posts: 16,590
    Darabont's script was good in places, not so in others: I don't think it would have made a perfect film on its own. I'd love to hear a dramatic reading of it though.

    Things that were always a bit undercooked included the commie witch hunt plot (why not send in a third group into the jungle of CIA men, chasing Indy and suspecting him of being the leader?) and also the alien plot needed tying in with the Indy/Mutt plot. Personally I tend to think they could have done something with the fatherhood angle: the aliens were supposed to have guided the ancient humans and given them advice but then disappeared and abandoned them, which surely you could have tied in thematically with the idea of Indy not being around for Mutt growing up? Or even the idea that Mutt shouldn't have to go back to school as Indy wants him to, that the children outgrow the parents and make their own decisions, much like humans don't need the Crystal aliens around any longer. I know it's all a bit trite, but I feel like there was something there waiting to be used to make the climax a bit more interesting and give it more bite.
    Also I wish the Spielberg of Close Encounters could have handled the alien reveal: in Encounters they're much friendlier than these aliens and yet 100 times scarier! :D
    If the Crystal aliens had been obscured by a blinding light in a similar way or something like that we might have got a really spooky ending: and the spookiness of the original Indy films is missing here.
  • TR007TR007
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    Shia LeBeouf was Spielberg's choice, and in my opinion he's the worst thing in the movie. The lackluster action scenes from the jungle scene onwards feature incredibly pedestrian directing, something which Lucas certainly can't be blamed for. So how anyone can say that from the 40 min mark onwards has nothing to do with Spielberg is ludicrous.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    I thought LeBeouf was perfectly fine and honestly think he’s overhated by a segment of fans. A prick in real life for sure, but I never had an issue with him in KOTCS. He’s better than a Lucas choice like Hayden Christensen.
  • TR007TR007
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    MakeshiftPython wrote: »
    I thought LeBeouf was perfectly fine and honestly think he’s overhated by a segment of fans. A prick in real life for sure, but I never had an issue with him in KOTCS. He’s better than a Lucas choice like Hayden Christensen.

    We'll agree to disagree on that.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited August 2021 Posts: 16,590
    MakeshiftPython wrote: »
    I thought LeBeouf was perfectly fine and honestly think he’s overhated by a segment of fans. A prick in real life for sure, but I never had an issue with him in KOTCS. He’s better than a Lucas choice like Hayden Christensen.

    Yeah I think he's perfectly fine. I don't think he's amazing, but I can imagine a lot of other actors being very irritating in that role, which I don't think he ever is. Really the role itself is a bit underwritten.
  • DoctorNoDoctorNo USA-Maryland
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    Ever notice how it’s perfectly acceptable to bash LeBeouf and blame him for the movie, but if he wasn’t a white male, you’d be a monster for even suggesting he was bad. I don’t personally think he was bad, but once it gets to the quicksand, fencing, monkeys, etc it’s all terrible. But I think Karen Allen is even worse in the movie and we know it’s not Karen Allen, or the character as originally written in Raiders, it’s the writing and directing in this movie which are all lame. The whole sentimental family tv comedy of this movie are far worse than 👽
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